Seems to be what he means Cory, and while we are lucky enuff that paul does not run the land, others similar to him do :(
--- In [email protected], Cory Nott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You mean something I bought and paid for overseas is not my property and I don't have any right to sell it here or elsewhere? > > > > Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Selling foreign goods in America IS NOT A RIGHT....it is a PRIVILEGE. > > > > --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@> > wrote: > > > > Buying and selling is a right if both the buyer and seller agreed, > > the government has no right to say the seller can not sell or the > > buyer buy goods and services that do not harm non contractual > > parties. Now true if every property owner has the right to secde from > > the government a tax could be a membership fee and actually a users > > fee not a tax. If there was a fee on both imports and exports if the > > secding merchant wished to trade with people in the US they would > > still be paying the tax, if they traded only with foreign companies > > yet the foreign companies traded with the US the seceding merchant > > would be paying the tax indirectly but if they did not trade with the > > US or their trades with others can not connected with the US then > > they will not pay the tax. > > Outside trade may not be a problem with those that live on the > > border or on the coast but it might for landlock property > > owners. > > Still it could be argued that the US or a state has no right to > > landlock a property owner unless the property owner is a clear > > security risk. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > No. That isn't what I said. Perhaps you should read it again. > > > > > > I will go on record as saying, "Not all taxation is theft and not > > all > > > taxation is force." > > > > > > I consider any tax on your rights to be an act of force. I do not > > > consider extremely low and flat rate tariffs that do not hamper the > > > ability of people to trade in America to be initiating force. You > > can > > > speak to any nobel prize winning economist you like to see if 3% > > > hampers their ability to trade. People do NOT have the RIGHT to > > bring > > > goods into America to sell in our markets. This is a PRIVILEDGE, > > not > > > a right. > > > > > > Usage fees & excise taxes can be avoided by not using those services > > > and tariffs can be avoided by purchasing goods made in America. > > This > > > means there is no force what-so-ever. If you CHOOSE to buy imported > > > goods, you CHOOSE to willingly pay the extremely low tariffs > > > associated with it. The overall price of the product does not go > > up, > > > and in fact compared to our current tariffs, it would most likely > > go down. > > > > > > I say using tariffs and excise taxes (which are not the initiation > > of > > > force) we can fund 100% of the Constitutional parts of government. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Paul <ptireland@> > > > > > Also, as far as funding a limited government, it can be funded > > > > > completely without taxing income, but not completely without > > taxation. > > > > > This is the true dilemma of real libertarianism (aka...NOT > > > > > anarchy). > > > > > > > > So then according to you, initiating a little force is ok if it is > > > only a little force and for a good cause? > > > > > > > > BWS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > English language Political parties Online dictionary American politics > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "Libertarian" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
