Paul
Whether or not American Joe, and Cho Chinaman make a deal is no
business of mine. Whether one of them brings those foreign goods into
America to sell them IS my business.
MJ
And this is where you go against what you claim.
Paul
The American markets BELONG to the American people living within the
<snip>
MJ
The Free Market is not socialist as you continue to insist.
Day laborers, for instance, in my area command $10 per hour. Please
explain how this purported Ownership of the market by the federal
Government (and this myth you have swallowed that we are the Government)
as you claim, set that rate or otherwise control.
It clearly and plainly did not. Why? Because your premise is absurd.
Paul
I've already answered your questions.
1. I own the markets, and the government has been granted the power
to ensure that those who wish to have the privilege of selling foreign
goods in my markets will pay for it.
MJ
You are utterly incorrect. You do not own the market, you ARE, however,
seeking to use GOVERNMENT to enforce YOUR vision on that which
is of no concern of yours.
You have not demonstrated how YOUR resources were used -- much less
without your permission. Joe is trading his property to Cho, who is trading
his property. Nowhere in the transaction is YOUR property involved.
Paul
2. The transaction between the American buying goods from the Chinese
guy is of no concern to me. Bringing those goods into America to sell
them is of concern to me.
MJ
The transaction is of no concern of yours. What the individuals choose
to do as a result of the transaction is of no concern of yours.
Paul
3. The federal government is protecting my property (the markets) by
exercising the legitimate and limited powers grnated to it in the
Constitution to charge tariffs to those who want access to the
American markets. It doesn't matter what the nationality is of the
person who bought the goods or sold the goods happens to be. It
doesn't matter whether someone owns goods or what they paid for them.
All that matters is if they intend to sell foreign goods in the
American markets, they must pay for the privilege.
MJ
Horse shit.
You have no property in question.
You are claiming a WISH to property that does not exist to somehow
apologize for your use of Government force.
Paul
Your claims that I, and the rest of the American public don't own the
markets is laughable and beyond ridiculous. I suppose in your warped
and twisted little world I can just walk into any country I want and
start selling anything I want and the government or people of that
country have absolutely nothing to say about it.
MJ
Here you AGAIN interject statist/socialist ideas ... apparently pretending
that they somehow apply to property. I would contend at this point that
you are confused.
Joe and Cho trading is of no concern of yours (as you have already admitted),
yet you continue to claim the opposite -- some of the time.
You want Government to enforce your vision upon others ... and declare
this to be somehow compatible with the Government protecting some
illusion that does not exist.
Paul
Here in realm of reality, that's not the case. In reality we have
governments and borders, and the laws in each nation differ, and the
governments in each nation decide on whether or not they will charge a
tariff for goods to be imported. In democratic nations those
governments are chosen by the people who have granted governments this
power because the people of that country own the markets in that country.
MJ
Again affirming the previous observation regarding mob rules and your support.
You remain confused.
You imagine that by geography you magically have some 'property rite'
in a contract by two individuals by sole accident of their location.
Joe and Cho exchanging ... your WISH to property.
Joe and Bill exchanging ... no WISH to property.
The Federal Government itself is a creation of the Individual Sovereign States.
It, by that Constitution, serves those States.
Regard$,
--MJ
"What we call the market is really a democratic process
involving millions, and in some markets billions, of people
making personal decisions that express their preferences.
When you hear someone say that he doesn't trust the market,
and wants to replace it with government edicts, he's really
calling for a switch from a democratic process to a totalitarian
one." -- Walter Williams
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