Posters Note - As originally submitted, my post WAS NOT an American call to Jihad against Muslims. That's a horrible mischaracterization.
[Moderator: Here's the contested sentence from context below: > > Imo, any sane libertarian would see that and oppose these > authoritarian elements among Muslims with all their 11th Century > horrobly repressive views with all their strength. The phrase I added to your original post is: 'these authoritarian elements among' Sans that qualifier you were calling for an undifferentiated and policy violating attack by 'sane libertarians' upon all muslims! -TLP ] Now, originally, I forgot to mention that recent cartoon riots. Paul, Steven and others, tell me, what did those riots over the cartoons have to do with "our interventions in the Middle East?" Here's another question, if the Muslims hate us so much because of our foreign policy, why then are they attacking Western Europeans, with far more veracity than they've been attacking us in recent years? I mean, what did the Dutch do to them? The Spaniards? How about the Indonesians in Bali? --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The reason they hate us is BECAUSE of our foreign intervention in the > middle-east which has cost the lives of millions of Muslims. It's not > for any other reason. It's not because of our women, our freedom, or > any other reason. That is a fact. He probably persists on the > truthful and intelligent claim that they hate us due to our foreign > policy because it's the truth and he's not a fool. > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > Steven, YOU ARE > > SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO > > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Wrong. > > > > For Steven's comment that it's all about our interventions in the > > past in the Middle East has just ROYALLY PISSED ME OFF. > > > > Steven, you and I have met in our past life. We've spoken on the > > phone. I find you to be a well-meaning and sincere libertarian. > > > > WHY IS IT THAT YOU AND OTHERS LIKE YOU PERSIST IN THIS IDIOTIC CLAIM > > THAT THE REASON THE MUSLIMS HATE US IS BECAUSE OF OUR FOREIGN > > INTERVENTIONS IN THEIR COUNTRY??? > > > > Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. > > > > It has little if ANYTHING to do with that. I've lived in the Middle > > East (9 months in Bahrain). I speak Arabic. I live in Houston, > > which has a large Arabic population, and I work RIGHT SMACK DAB IN > > THE MIDDLE OF HOUSTON'S LITTLE SOUTH ASIA (Pakistanis, Jordanians, > > Moroccons, Egyptians, et.al). > > > > They hate us for our Culture, plain and simple. It's all about > > Sex. We get it and they don't. > > > > Young Arab men, particularly non-wealthy Arab men, have little if > > any access to women. They are extremely envious of American men who > > get sex whenever they want. They watch our movies, they watch MTV, > > they watch Britney Spears, and their hormones rage. And rage they > > do against Americans who have easy access to sex AND Israelis with > > their topless beaches, hot sweaty nightclubs, and Co-ed drinkfests > > til the wee hours of the morning. > > > > Steven DID YOU NOT READ ABOUT THE MURDER OF THEO VAN GOGH IN THE > > NETHERLANDS A COUPLE YEARS AGO? Did that have ANYTHING at all to do > > with "American troops stationed in Saudi Arabia?" Hell no! That > > Murlim murdered Van Gogh because of a film he made supporting rights > > of women in the Middle East. Did you not witness what happened in > > France back in October with the massive riots by Muslim Youth? Did > > that have anything to do with "Americans invading Iraq?" Hell no, > > it had everything to do with Muslim youths being shunned by young > > French women, and lack of job opportunities for them so that they > > could gain more wealth where they could possibly attract young > > French women. Do you see what's going on all throughout Europe with > > Muslims clammering for bans on topless beaches, ends to legalized > > prostitution, and tough drug laws that would send all drug dealers > > and users to jail for long sentences? > > > > Steve, give up this absurd notion that the reason the Muslims hate > > us is because of our interventionist foreign policy. IT'S ALL ABOUT > > SEX AND CULTURE. > > > > Imo, any sane libertarian would see that and oppose these > authoritarian elements among Muslims with all their 11th Century > horrobly repressive views with all their strength. > > > > > > [ModeraterNote: I edited (re-phrased) the above sentence to comply > > with, not only this forum's policy, but Yahoo's prohibitions too. > > As originally submitted, it was a call for some sort of American > > 'Jihad' against ALL Muslims. -TLP ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Cory Nott <corynott@> wrote: > > > > > > Some years ago my then wife and I knew a nice young woman - very > > pretty, very kind at heart. She had alot of personal troubles and > > did not pick her men well. Well, the last one she picked got her > > into heroin, and one night while out on a drug deal with him they > > were both brutally, and, for her, slowly murdered by a drug dealer > > they were attempting to buy from. > > > > > > Did that change my mind on the drug war? Did I suddenly decide > > that all drugs are intrinsicly evil and that we should throw more > > money and more resources and more lives at the drug war? Should we > > put to death all dealers and perhaps even hard core users? Hell no - > > if we didn't have our drug laws, there would be no tremendous > > profits to be made by the most violent in our society and my friend > > might well be alive today. Even if she were hooked on heroin, at > > least it would be cheap and clean and not the dangerous stuff that's > > cut with all sorts of chemicals and kills people over time. > > > > > > I feel the same way about 9/11. Why is it that the terrorists > > are attacking us? Is it because they "hate freedom"? No, it's > > because of western intervention in the Middle East over the last 100 > > years. I will grant that I find Islam somewhat worrisome in it's > > treatment of non-Muslims and that we should be on guard against > > religious extremism and any demands that Islamists or others put on > > our legal system. > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric Dondero Rittberg <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > So Steve, question. > > > > > > Would your attitude be different if you had had a friend or > > relative > > > who died in the Twin Towers, at the Pentagon, or on the 4 > > airplanes > > > on 9/11? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
