i like the marriage methopor better, two decent good people in a bad unprodcutive marriage with each other need to move on, get a divorce while they don't have any kids or much community property between them.--- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To keep with the metaphor, trains occasionaly get derailed, and > conductors can be replaced. If enough people on the train want to > stop the train before it reaches its final destination, they can > find a way to do so. The train is traveling on Democratic tracks, > and must be ready for a change of plans. > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > this is absolutely brillant. > > > > Jim, never heard of you before, never seen your posts on any Yahoo > > Libertarian Groups, but I'm impressed. You've summed up the > problem > > with our movement splendidly. > > > > You really ought to post this to other forums, maybe even print it. > > > > Did you come up with it, or did you get if from someone else. > > > > Mann that was good!!! A hearty Congratulations Sir. > > > > BTW, what part of the country are you from? Active LPer, RLCer > > perhaps? Tell us more about yourself. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Jim Syler <Calion@> wrote: > > > > > > Alright, you've missed the entire point of the train metaphor, > and > > > proved my point in the process. > > > > > > First, let's discard this talk about personality. I don't know > > where > > > you got it, but it forms no part of my argument. > > > > > > The point of the train metaphor is that you have > this "libertarian > > > train" that is leading toward liberty. It starts here, at the > > horrible > > > situation we are in now, and has several stops on the way, that > > might > > > be called "lower taxes," "fewer business regulations," "greater > > > personal freedoms," "abolishment of the income tax," "re- > > establishment > > > of Constitutional government," and finally "anarcho- capitalism." > > The > > > idea is that everybody can get on the LP train, then get off > when > > they > > > have reached their desired level of freedom. > > > > > > The problem is that when you walk up to the LP conductor, he > says, > > > "Welcome aboard! Here's your ticket to anarcho-capitalism." (The > > > ticket, for the metaphorically impaired, being the Oath.) The > > boarder > > > says "no, there must be some mistake, I only wanted to go to > > > Constitutional government." The conductor says, "That's fine, > sir, > > > we'll be going right past there on our way to anarcho- > capitalism." > > > "So," the potential passenger says, "I'll be able to get off > there > > > then?" "Well, no, sir, we won't making any stops until we get to > > > anarcho-capitalism. If you get on here, you're on for the long > > haul." > > > "Thanks anyway," says the potential passenger, and looks around > for > > > another train. The problem is, there aren't any other trains > > heading > > > for liberty. > > > > > > j > > > > > > On Mar 28, 2006, at 2:27 PM, steven linnabary wrote: > > > > > > > From: "Jim Syler" <Calion@> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Which is the point, and the problem. If we could all work > > together > > > >> toward liberty, using the "libertarian train" metaphor, that > > would be > > > >> great. But that's not how it works. The purists (admittedly, > not > > all > > > >> of > > > >> them, but I don't hear the ones that don't chastising the > ones > > who do) > > > >> do everything within their power to move all others out of > the > > Party, > > > >> by ridicule, by condemnation, by calling them "not > > libertarians," by > > > >> loudly trying to exclude them from leadership positions, from > > trying > > > >> to > > > >> stymie every move in any direction if they are in leadership > > > >> positions, > > > >> ad nauseam. > > > >> > > > > > > > > To expand on your train metaphor, the engine, or locomotive, > that > > > > powers the > > > > LP is its ideology. And that ideology is best explained (in > its > > > > consolidated form) with the pledge. The pledge is expanded > with > > the > > > > "Statement of Principles" and that is expanded with the LP > > Platform. > > > > Now, while anyone is welcome to ride aboard this freedom > train, > > it > > > > wouldn't > > > > be prudent to allow just anyone to be the engineer. In fact, > it > > would > > > > be > > > > counterproductive. > > > > You see, there have been several "trains" since the birth of > the > > LP in > > > > '71. > > > > There was the "Wallace" train in '68 & '72, the "Anderson" > train > > in > > > > '80, and > > > > the "Perot" train in '92 & '96. Each of these trains could > (with > > some > > > > pretzel logic) be considered "libertarian" by one stretch or > > another. > > > > But > > > > in each case, the train locomotive was not principle but > > personality. > > > > And > > > > each of these trains is now dead, while the LP train driven by > > > > ideology is > > > > still chugging along. > > > > So it seems pretty clear to me that any attempt to sell out > our > > > > principles > > > > for a personality driven cult would be idiotic. In fact, > while > > the > > > > republican party took up some of Perots' ideas in '94, all > those > > cars > > > > were > > > > abandoned at the siding many years ago. > > > > At the same time, not one single train car or plank of the LP > > > > Platform has > > > > been abolished or repudiated, except when it has become > necessary > > by > > > > beaureaucratic shuffling (the LP no longer calls for the > > abolition or > > > > Dept > > > > Health, Education and Welfare or of Immigration and > > Naturalization > > > > Service). > > > > The LP is several time bigger than when I got on board in the > > early > > > > 80's and > > > > is still chugging along just fine (in spite of the uphill > grade > > since > > > > 9/11). > > > > It is pretty clear to me that the LP would have run out of > steam > > long > > > > ago > > > > had we put an engineer of personality (as opposed to > principle) > > in the > > > > locomotive. > > > > And when this train gets to the crest of the hill, I want an > > engineer > > > > in > > > > charge that knows what he is talking about when we speed up on > > the > > > > other > > > > side! > > > > > > > > PEACE > > > > Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer > > > > Franklin County Libertarian Party > > > > (614) 891-8841 > > > > P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115 > > > > > > > > "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make > violent > > > > revolution > > > > inevitable" John F. Kennedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot > easier...just > > as > > > long as I'm the dictator..." > > > --George W. Bush, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to > Washington > > as > > > President-Elect > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >
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