You have no libertarian rank to pull. The only thing you're pulling is your pud.
LIBERTARIANISM IS NOT DETERMINED BY THE NOLAN CHART!!! The creator of the chart (David Nolan) agrees with me. The Nolan chart merely determines who has libertarian leanings, not who is or isn't actually libertarian. That is determined by the NAP alone. Libertarianism is not determined by membership in the L.P. In fact many in the LP are far from being consistent in their libertarianism, like Bruce Cohen, Aaron Star, Art Tuma, Sandor Woren, Kevin Takenaga, Mark Johnson, Willard Michlin, etc. Your argument that half the party membership didn't sign the pledge is laughable, baseless, and entirely false much like most of your so-called arguments. --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Guess I'm going to have to pull some Libertarian rank on you Paul, > being a Veteran of the libertarian movement since 1985. > > Yes, IT IS MOST CERTAINLY THE NOLAN CHART (Better to call it the New > Political Spectrum), that determines whether or not someone's stance > favors libertarianism. > > Membership in the LP indicates very little, since the vast majority > of libertarianism's supporters are not affiliated with the LP. > > Look at the Cato institute guys. You think any of them are > affiliated with the Libertarian Party? > > How about Reason? > > Hardly any of them have LP membership. > > The libertarian movement is far more vast than simply the few > thousand members who have joined the LP. > > Ironically, I'd argue probably half of the current LP members never > even signed the pledge. It's been my experience, the LP is much > more interested in getting the $25.00 dues than it is someone > signing the bottom of a card. > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > The pledge is most certainly not "silly". It's what makes us > better > > than the Republicans. It means we haven't sold out our principles > and > > sold our souls like the Republicans. > > > > The Nolan chart does not determine who is or isn't libertarian. It > > never has and it never will. Nothing other than the N.A.P. > determines > > whether or not someone is advocating actual libertarianism or just > has > > libertarian leanings. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, sooo. What is your point. > > > > > > Are you saying that you want to force everyone in the > libertarian > > > movement to sign some silly pledge and worship at the alter or > > > gravestone of Murray Rothbard? > > > > > > If the "fiscally conservative/socially tolerant" moniker were so > > > meaningless, than why is it that the Libertarian Party itself > > > invented the phrase in the 1980s? I remember LP bumper stickers > > > saying precisely that. My favorite one of all time: "Vote > > > Libertarian; We're Pro-Choice on Everything." > > > > > > Didn't say: "Vote Libertarian: We want to Abolish Government." > > > > > > I was attracted to the LP precisely because the Party was > basically > > > Conservatives who were Pro-Choice, not becuase I wanted to > abolish > > > government. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "steven linnabary" > > > <linnabary51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Eric Dondero Rittberg" <ericdondero@> > > > > > > > > But Steven, that is precisely the point. > > > > > > > > What are the principles? > > > > > > > > You say allegiance to some pledge hoisted upon the LP in the > 1970s > > > by > > > > Rothbard, Raimondo and the Radical Caucus. > > > > > > > > I say, a basic belief in "fiscaly conservatism and social > > > tolerance." > > > > > > > > Nobody owns the term "libertarian." > > > > > > > > ### > > > > > > > > You are of course correct that nobody owns the label > > > of "libertarian". And > > > > everybody so it seems wants to be associated with libertarian > > > ideals, such > > > > as Bill Clinton's claim of being libertarian. There is even a > > > socialistic > > > > democrat (I know that is redundant) in California that is > running > > > as a > > > > "libertarian democrat". Weird. > > > > > > > > Likewise, nobody "owns" the democrat or republican moniker. > > > Afterall, there > > > > is absolutely nothing democratic about the democrat party. > And the > > > > republicans have to share names and ideals with such groups as > > > Irish > > > > Republican Army and the Iraq Republican Guard. > > > > > > > > And the "fiscal conservative and social tolerance" belief is > > > meaningless > > > > when you consider that Kerry could be argued to be more > fiscally > > > > conservative and socially tolerant than Bush. > > > > > > > > PEACE > > > > Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer > > > > Franklin County Libertarian Party > > > > (614) 891-8841 > > > > P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115 > > > > > > > > "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make > violent > > > revolution > > > > inevitable" John F. Kennedy > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
