In the interests of libertarian history. Dave Nolan DID NOT invent the Nolan Chart. It was invented by Leonard Reed of FEE way back in 1959.
--- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You have no libertarian rank to pull. The only thing you're pulling > is your pud. > > LIBERTARIANISM IS NOT DETERMINED BY THE NOLAN CHART!!! The creator of > the chart (David Nolan) agrees with me. The Nolan chart merely > determines who has libertarian leanings, not who is or isn't actually > libertarian. That is determined by the NAP alone. > > Libertarianism is not determined by membership in the L.P. > > In fact many in the LP are far from being consistent in their libertarianism, like Bruce Cohen, Aaron Star, Art Tuma, Sandor Woren, Kevin Takenaga, Mark Johnson, Willard Michlin, etc. > > Your argument that half the party membership didn't sign the pledge is > laughable, baseless, and entirely false much like most of your > so-called arguments. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > Guess I'm going to have to pull some Libertarian rank on you Paul, > > being a Veteran of the libertarian movement since 1985. > > > > Yes, IT IS MOST CERTAINLY THE NOLAN CHART (Better to call it the New > > Political Spectrum), that determines whether or not someone's stance > > favors libertarianism. > > > > Membership in the LP indicates very little, since the vast majority > > of libertarianism's supporters are not affiliated with the LP. > > > > Look at the Cato institute guys. You think any of them are > > affiliated with the Libertarian Party? > > > > How about Reason? > > > > Hardly any of them have LP membership. > > > > The libertarian movement is far more vast than simply the few > > thousand members who have joined the LP. > > > > Ironically, I'd argue probably half of the current LP members never > > even signed the pledge. It's been my experience, the LP is much > > more interested in getting the $25.00 dues than it is someone > > signing the bottom of a card. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > The pledge is most certainly not "silly". It's what makes us > > better > > > than the Republicans. It means we haven't sold out our principles > > and > > > sold our souls like the Republicans. > > > > > > The Nolan chart does not determine who is or isn't libertarian. It > > > never has and it never will. Nothing other than the N.A.P. > > determines > > > whether or not someone is advocating actual libertarianism or just > > has > > > libertarian leanings. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yeah, sooo. What is your point. > > > > > > > > Are you saying that you want to force everyone in the > > libertarian > > > > movement to sign some silly pledge and worship at the alter or > > > > gravestone of Murray Rothbard? > > > > > > > > If the "fiscally conservative/socially tolerant" moniker were so > > > > meaningless, than why is it that the Libertarian Party itself > > > > invented the phrase in the 1980s? I remember LP bumper stickers > > > > saying precisely that. My favorite one of all time: "Vote > > > > Libertarian; We're Pro-Choice on Everything." > > > > > > > > Didn't say: "Vote Libertarian: We want to Abolish Government." > > > > > > > > I was attracted to the LP precisely because the Party was > > basically > > > > Conservatives who were Pro-Choice, not becuase I wanted to > > abolish > > > > government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "steven linnabary" > > > > <linnabary51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Eric Dondero Rittberg" <ericdondero@> > > > > > > > > > > But Steven, that is precisely the point. > > > > > > > > > > What are the principles? > > > > > > > > > > You say allegiance to some pledge hoisted upon the LP in the > > 1970s > > > > by > > > > > Rothbard, Raimondo and the Radical Caucus. > > > > > > > > > > I say, a basic belief in "fiscaly conservatism and social > > > > tolerance." > > > > > > > > > > Nobody owns the term "libertarian." > > > > > > > > > > ### > > > > > > > > > > You are of course correct that nobody owns the label > > > > of "libertarian". And > > > > > everybody so it seems wants to be associated with libertarian > > > > ideals, such > > > > > as Bill Clinton's claim of being libertarian. There is even a > > > > socialistic > > > > > democrat (I know that is redundant) in California that is > > running > > > > as a > > > > > "libertarian democrat". Weird. > > > > > > > > > > Likewise, nobody "owns" the democrat or republican moniker. > > > > Afterall, there > > > > > is absolutely nothing democratic about the democrat party. > > And the > > > > > republicans have to share names and ideals with such groups as > > > > Irish > > > > > Republican Army and the Iraq Republican Guard. > > > > > > > > > > And the "fiscal conservative and social tolerance" belief is > > > > meaningless > > > > > when you consider that Kerry could be argued to be more > > fiscally > > > > > conservative and socially tolerant than Bush. > > > > > > > > > > PEACE > > > > > Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer > > > > > Franklin County Libertarian Party > > > > > (614) 891-8841 > > > > > P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115 > > > > > > > > > > "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make > > violent > > > > revolution > > > > > inevitable" John F. Kennedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
