Terry who?--- In [email protected], "Thomas L. Knapp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Quoth Paul Ireland: > > > 2. The people I regard as economists include Robert J. Barro, Walter > > Block, James Buchanan, Donald J. Boudreaux, Richard M. Ebeling, David > > Friedman, Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Robert Higgs, Israel > > Kirzner, Ludwig von Mises, Murray N. Rothbard, Mark Skousen, Thomas > > Sowell, Vernon Smith, Mark Thornton, Richard Timberlake, and Walter > > Williams. All of them agree with the definition of a market taking > > place in a geographical area. > > Really? Here are two of the aforementioned folks on what a market is. > > Ludwig von Mises: > > "The market is not a place, a thing, or a collective entity. The > market is a process, actuated by the interplay of the actions of the > various individuals cooperating under the division of labor." -- Human > Action, chapter 15 ("The Market: Characteristics of the Market Economy") > > Murray N. Rothbard: > > "The network of voluntary interpersonal exchanges forms a society; it > also forms a pattern of interrelations known as the market." -- Man, > Economy and State, Chapter 2 ("Direct Exchange") > > > 3. [Moderator: I deleted Paul's response to Tom's attack on Paul's > > methodology because Paul's response was an escalation into > > generalized ad-hominem; which is off-topic in this forum > > -TLP ] > > Aw, c'mon, Terry. There's something bigger at stake here than whether > economists, in referring to "the market" are referring to the overall > whole of exchange or to Bob's Stop-n-Shop in particular. > > Both Mr. Ireland and myself frequently hold ourselves and our ideas > out as representative, to some larger or smaller degree, of > libertarianism. Each of us thinks that the other is not only > frequently wrong, but in wrong in ways that are potentially > embarrassing and/or damaging to the party and/or movement. > > Settling the argument over which of us does or does not represent > libertarianism properly cannot be done without at least approaching ad > hominem. For one thing, the accusations are implied by the reasoning, > even if they are not overtly stated. > > For example, if I note that Paul Ireland disagrees with Harry Browne > on tariffs, it is likely that in response to that notation, he will > respond that he knows everything there is to know about Harry Browne > and that I'm dead wrong, and that Harry Browne said whatever it was > convenient for Paul Ireland for him to have said, and nothing else. > > That, in turn, will likely move me to post a quotation from Harry > Browne showing that he did not approve of tariffs (although he > regarded them, more or less, as the least bad way to transition away > from coercive taxation), which in turn will likely move Ireland will > call me a name, insist that Harry Browne meant something entirely > different (i.e. whatever Ireland wanted him to have meant), call me > another name or two, huff, puff, proclaim his primacy of place in the > godhead of libertarian theory, and maybe stomp around a little or send > me off-list nastygrams until I get his ISP to threaten to cut him off > if he doesn't cease and desist. > > This process will reveal something. Granted, what it will reveal will > not be very flattering to Ireland, but I'd be happy to be subject to > the process even when it reveals things that aren't flattering to me. > So, pray let the thing work itself out. > > > If I say "In order for you to sell your goods in my mall, you must pay > > rent." I'm not forcing you to pay rent because I'm not forcing you to > > sell your goods in my mall. > > True -- IF it is your mall. Your argument that all market transactions > within the US constitute a property in which the US government > exercises legitimate ownership are -- and I shall be as gentle as > possible here -- not very persuasive. > > Regards, > Tom Knapp >
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