Property rights begin before the constitution, they begin before the Articles of Confederation, they begin before the European Colinist came. You border to your property allows you to keep someone out of your yard but you or no one else or no government without the proper consent have no right to tell property owners on the border with Mexico and Canada who they can allow on their property and it certaintly is not within the constitutional powers of the federal government to regulate immigration.--- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yet again, your argument is baseless, illogical, denies facts, and > amounts to nothing more "nuh uh". > > Your right to property DOES NOT allow you to bring it onto my yard, or > across my borders. Your right to property does not allow you to bring > it across national borders and no amount of denying it will change > that indisputable fact. > > My logic is superior to yours in every way on this issue. > > Your property is indeed a right, and that right does not including > bringing your goods across national borders to sell in thier markets. > Nothing you say will change this. > > > > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote: > > > > From: Paul <ptireland@> > > > If we must rehash this ok. I have refuted all of your claims so many > > > times I can do it in an instant. Here is a refutation of your bogus > > > claims on a point by point basis. My arguments are more logical, > > > reasonable, intelligent, and libertarian than yours. So once again, > > > you are wrong. It's a fact to say I've shut down your feeble attempt > > > to put together a cogent argument on this topic dozens of times and > > > delusional and dishonest to claim otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. You own your property. Nobody has disputed that. > > > > > > 2. You have the right to move your property unless it's across > > > national borders in which case, you pay purchase the PRIVILEGE. > > > > Once again just because you say it is so does not make it so. My > right to property is a right and not a privilege. Rights are not > conditional except for the condition that others have them as well and > you may not violate them. So you assertion is wrong. Again. If you > are going to try to refute a logical argument you should try logic. > Not what you put here. > > > > > 3. You have the right to sell your property to a willing seller > > > assuming you're not smuggling your property across national > > > borders. For instance, if you buy property in Australia, you can > probably sell > > > it to anyone in Australia, but might have to pay a tariff (which is > > > NOT an infringement of your right of ownership) to sell those goods > > > within America. > > > > You have not in any way shown that a tariff is not an initiation of > force. Offer a reason or a poof as I did. Your word is not proof. > > > > > 4. A market does not exist for the period of time it takes for one > > > person to sell a good or service to another. The term "market" is > > > used to describe buying and selling within a particular location. And > > > if you sell within that location (in this case within the borders of > > > that country) you are subject to the rules of that market (aka the > > > laws) and you must pay a fee for the protection of the market and > > > access to the market for your goods. Whether or not you own land or > > > anything else within those borders does not give excuse you from > > > having to pay for the privilege of selling foreign goods in the > > > market. > > > > Property is a right not a priviledge. And I did prove logically > that the market exists between a buyer and seller. Your statement > above is also false. > > > > > 5. Tariffs are not made by an uninterested third party and are > > > not an infringement of your property rights. In fact they have > > > absolutely no connection to your property rights at all, and have > everything to do > > > with the property rights of all the other people in America. You > > > don't have a right to sell your property in my yard. My charging you > > > to sell it in my yard is not an infringement of your property rights > > > even if someone else wants to buy your goods. > > > > > > IT IS NOT YOUR YARD AND NOTHING YOU SAY WILL CHANGE THAT. > > > > If I have proof of ownership then that says it. It is exactly a > case of being on my yard and off of your property in any way what so > ever. If you interfere you have initiated force and are a force > initiator and a thief. Tariffs are made by governments, and Mafias. > They are a form of extortion. If you as an individual have no right > to a piece of my action then by extension your government has no right > to that piece. No government anywhere has any rights to any thing > that the people who consent to it expressly give it. When they do > usurp and invent such rights they are then a criminal enterprise and > need to be put down like the rabid dog they are acting like. > > > > BWS > > >
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