Correct, don't let anyone on welfare if the revenue comes from
ination of force via taxe, a libertarian can be for government
provide income support, health insurance and education if the revenue
comes from voluntary trade and the government does not try to put
private competitors out of Business. Charles Murray has come out with
a new book where he says just scrap the Welfare state, the minum wage
laws and just give every adult citizen 10,000 dollars a year. As long
as the revenue came from non coresive sources a libertarian could
agree with that. Now they might find other reasons that have nothing
to do with libertarianism to disagree with it, one being the
seperation of powers issue, if we are going to have public
institutions for a saftey net it would be better to keep them
seperate from the
government.
Still what I was saying is that a libertarian can support
not giving welfare to undoucmented immigrants if the government does
not charge their them or their employer taxes for those benefits. it
is very much like a libertarian can be for a tax cut and against all
taxes at the same time, it doesn't pay libertarians to say no don't
cut taxes until you do away with all taxes.--- In
[email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The correct libertarian stance is don't let ANYONE get on welfare;
> don't let ANYONE collect benefits from the government because there
> should be none. Immigrants are absolutely NOT a drain on the
economy,
> in fact the exact opposite is true.
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Don't allow the immigrants to get welfare or at least ask them to
> > show an invatation into the country to get the benifits, that is
not
> > against libertarian idea, it is not against the federal
constitution,
> > it is not even against the civil rights act despite what the ACLU
may
> > say but the above is not a federal constitutional issue and the
> > states should not encourage the federal government to get
involved in
> > immigration except to deny the unconstitutional social security
> > benefits to the undocumented immigrants but the federal
government
> > should return the social security tax to the undocumented worker
and
> > his employer.--- In [email protected], Cory Nott
> > <corynott@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not once does Mr. Hosper address the right of association and
many
> > of his other arguments seem flawed. Since I have other issues to
deal
> > with and immigration is not one I need to touch on much as a
state
> > candidate, I don't want to get into it.
> > >
> > > He does ask a fair question though - in light of the fact
that we
> > do have a welfare state which likely won't end tomorrow, what do
we
> > do about immigration in the near term?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > David Macko <dmacko@> wrote:
> > > Since last week's demonstrations my last doubts that
> > > there is no immigration problem have ended. This is an
> > > invasion problem. I strongly object to having the Libertarian
> > > Party commit suicide by following your suggestion.
> > > Steve, ideals are important and we all need them but until the
> > > damages caused by ninety years of "our" government's treasonous
> > foreign
> > > policy
> > > and a welfare state which attracts parasites are corrected,
> > > which might be done in sixty or seventy more years if we start
> > > tomorrow morning.
> > > In the meantime, here is a rational proposal from our first
> > > presidential candidate, John Hospers, A Libertarian Argument
> > > Against Open Borders:
> > > http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/13_2/13_2_3.pdf
> > > It has three positive arguments in its favor.
> > > It does not involve the suicide of the Libertarian Party,
> > > the United States or our liberty.
> > >
> > > For life and liberty,
> > > David Macko
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
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