Uncoolrabbit, I'm disgusted by this reasoning :( They are human beings asking to not be made felons for just living and working. Also, CBS poll released this past Monday sez that three quaters of Americans APPROVE the concept of providing currentlly illegal aliens with a path to legality.
What fucking political calculation is needed here! -Terry Liberty Parker http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was talking about it from a political point of view not an > idealogical point of view. I do apreciate local control, but I don't > have some phobia of being walled out of Mexico either. We agree on > some things, disagree on others. I am in favor of open imigration in > theory but there are many issues to adress on the road to this > honorable goal. So I stand by my statement that political gains from > speaking out on the right thing to do will bring little gain if any > as it would alienate the closet protectionists while failing to grab > a substantial chunk of the democratic support. As a whole the party > would gain little. Individuals stand to gain alot however, especialy > a hispanic libertarian politician who wanted to use the moment for > instant political gains. > > Im pro imigration terry, I am just saying it would not cause long > term increased success for the party at a national level. I can see > it doing alot for the party in southwestern states though. I was in > Texas for almost two years and I will be back there again soon, and > many of the nicest people I knew down there were Mexican migrants, I > know there not criminals or dangerous people but my stance on a need > to document imigrants and migrants remains becasue it is not only > Latine Americans who cross north over the Rio Grande. If you look > into past news you might find mention of the 4 Pakistani's who were > aprehended after slipping into Texas, and spent an absurdley long > time in US custody for being mere ilegal imigrants, as they were not > mere ilegal imigrants. > > I never said stick our heads in the sand, I said flashing our > tailfeathers wont turn as many heads as the post I replied to > implied. > > --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@> > wrote: > > > > No you are wrong Uncool Rabbit, libertarians sticking their heads > in > > the sand or zipping their lips would not be a good stradegy move, > > taking a stand would be but it needs to a thought out stand, > > immigration is a human rights and property rights issue, it is a > > local issue ( being that you are a green libertarian you should be > > able to appreciate and communicate the importance of local > control) > > that can preculde Open borders but it does not include the federal > > government having immigration laws especially heavy handed > dracionan > > laws and it is very important that the federal government does not > > build my dear Senator Bill Frisk's big wall on the border, walls > can > > keep people in as well as keep them out.--- In > > [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <uncoolrabbit@> wrote: > > > > > > It might have been missed in the intial post... that the massive > > > latino protests are not about imigration. They are about ilegal > > > imigration. Pro imigration is great, but the right stance on it > > right > > > now won't bring the political success imagined as the right > > approach > > > is not to support ilegal imigration, wich also would only bring > its > > > greatest success with non americans. The LP getting vocal here > > would > > > serve to divide the already small LP, and give undue credit to > the > > > administration. There is a mass of issues that must be resolved > > before > > > open imigration should hit the LP political table, everything > from > > > imigration system reform to ending the welfare state. > > > > > > I would say this is a good time to say mum is the word, going > pro > > > ilegal imigration will not wrestle some great hispanic support > for > > the > > > LP away from the democrats. > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
