freedom, voting, human rights, etc. It wouldn't be worth 1 American
tax dollar either.
That's not to say they shouldn't have freedom, just that it's not our
responsibility to win freedom for anyone but ourselves. Freedom is to
be won by those who would have it.
"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is
the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the
champion and vindicator only of her own."
- John Quincy Adams
--- In [email protected], "wgilbert02" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I must agree with you here Eric. I had issues with the war and still
> do, but we are at war and must hope to achieve our objectives and
> quit harping on the past. I suppose my logic here would be: although
> I have issues with the origins of the war, defeat at the hands of
> Islamo-Fascists, irregardless of the pretext for war, is certainly
> far worse than winning the war and achieving our said objectives,
> irregardless of my personal disagreements.
>
> I simply find it amusing that those in this forum who front liberty
> and freedom as their mantra, loathe the attempted spread of such
> liberties to others. I believe Paul claimed that not 1 American life
> would be worth achieving our objectives in Iraq. I find such remarks
> personnally offensive, because I percieve the political pretext to
> such a statement to have an underlying sentiment that liberty and
> freedom is reserved simply for us, even if that is not what leftist
> libertarians actually believe.
>
> William
>
> --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg"
> <ericdondero@> wrote:
> >
> > Of course you're not concerned about it, because it directly
> > disproves y'all's point; that we're losing the War in Iraq.
> >
> > You guys on the Libertarian Left will never be satisfied. We could
> > pull out in 6 months. The Iraqis could praise America for
> > liberating their country. We could have full-Democracy in Iraq.
> > Women could have full rights. The schools in Iraq could be full of
> > children learning and studying. Iraqi infrastructure could be
> > totally rebuilt, and STILL y'all will find something to bitch about.
> >
> > Admit it. There's absolutely nothing that could satisfy you and
> > your side regarding Iraq.
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "hrearden_hr" <HRearden@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], Eric Dondero <ericdondero@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This morning we learn that Al Jaffari has stepped aside and a
> > new
> > > Prime Minister has been elected in Iraq. Shots of Iraqi election
> > > ballots being counted shown on Fox News. But where are the
> > > Libertarians?
> > >
> > >
> > > My response: How many ballots were cast? How many participated in
> > > this alleged election? Wouldn't a Prime Minister be elected by
> the
> > > mp's who are party members of the party that holds the majorty of
> > > seats in Parliament if a former PM stepped aside? I don't know
> who
> > > this Al Jaffari is. Al is a European/American name for a man and
> > is
> > > usually short for Albert or Alvin. It seems odd that an Iraqi
> > would
> > > have the first name Al. Libertarians like myself are not
> concerned
> > > about a PM being elected in Iraq. PM are not elected by direct
> > > election btw, usually the leader of a party that is in the
> > majority
> > > is automatically the PM.
> > >
> > > $
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Eric Stated:
> > > > Why no kudos to the Iraqis for a job well done in
> establishing
> > > democracy?
> > >
> > > My response: First of all has a democracy been established in
> > Iraq?
> > > Secondly even if a democracy has been established in Iraq is that
> > > something to celebrate? A democracy means that 51% of a
> population
> > > can violate the rights of the other 49% of the population. I
> would
> > > prefer a constitutional republic that is very limited and small
> > and
> > > stays that way to a democracy as far as governments go.
> > >
> > > $
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric stated:
> > > >
> > > > How sad. Even when liberty is on the rise, your average
> > > > Libertarian can't find anything to cheer about.
> > >
> > > My response: On the rise where?
> > >
> > > $
> > >
> >
>
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