landowner's opts out of the system (unless there's a contract that he signed
that stipulates he cannot unless he sells the property to someone who agrees
to such conditions) or if the landowner decides not to use the common area
in order to import and sell his foreign goods.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Purity
You're completely wrong and your claims fly in the face of logic,
reason, and facts.
There is collective property without an initiation of force. Let's
say my brother and I decide to buy a farm. We both own it together.
Let's say the people from the farms around us also own farms with
several owners. And let's say that we make our own town, and all
voluntarily give a small part of our farm to build a courthouse, city
hall, school, etc. All of those things are owned in common by all of
us. We all have an equal right to the usage of those things. This is
not a violation of rights, an initiation of force, and it's entirely
libertarian, and best of all it proves you wrong, yet again.
--- In [email protected], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And your's fails where you assume that collective property is a
legitimate concept. There is no such thing as collective property
absent an initiation of force. And initiation of force is
contra-moral, and contra-libertarian.
>
> BWS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:33 am
> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Purity
>
> > This is where your logic fails.
> >
> > On an island without a government, people can legitimately band
> > together to defend rights, but not to violate them. People do have
> > the right to determine whether or not someone else will be allowed to
> > sell goods within their combined and/or collective property. This
> > means they can grant this power to government. Nobody on an island
> > has the right to tell another person what medicines they will or won't
> > take, what weapons they will or won't own, or what religion they will
> > follow. This means they can't grant this power to government.
> >
> > Tariffs are legitimate. Drug laws, gun laws, abortion laws, and and
> > religious laws are not.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Thomas L. Knapp"
> > <thomaslknapp@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Quoth Paul Ireland:
> > >
> > > > To determine whether any law is legitimate all one must do is
> > ask what
> > > > would happen if you didn't have a government. If there were a
> > > > community of people who each owned land and these people
> > agreed to
> > > > protect each other from violence, attacks, etc., they could
> > also agree
> > > > that nobody from outside thier community would be allowed to sell
> > > > goods within the community they own, without paying a fee to
> > the town
> > > > to cover the cost of having police, judges, lawyers, etc. to
> > ensure> > that the business they conduct isn't fraudulent, theft, etc.
> > >
> > > And they could agree that decapitation is the proper penalty for
> > > possession of marijuana.
> > >
> > > And they could agree that having a handgun merits a prison sentence.
> > >
> > > And they could agree that if the guy down the road has a 55-gallon
> > > drum in his garage that may have something dangerous, it's okay for
> > > them to go over and burn his house down, just in case.
> > >
> > > And they could agree that if someone floats, she must be made of
> > wood,> and is therefore a witch, and therefore should be burned.
> > >
> > > They could agree on any or all of those things. They probably
> > wouldn't> try to portray their claims as "libertarian," though.
> > >
> > > Tom Knapp
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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