abortion debate.
You mean 'whole' as in 'mature' or 'fully developed' He
means 'whole' as in being an iteration of species home sapient. The
word whole can apply in either context as far as I can see.
Since 'personhood' is a far more important element in the human
abortion issue, the arguments should be about its criteria. *IF*
a 'person' is indeed present and dependent upon a 'host' person THEN
the debate moves to identification of respective rights/obligations
of these two individuals.
1. Is a 'person' (entity with rights/obligations) present inside the
human host?
2. What are the rights/obligations of any person present?
3. If a host person does not want to continue supporting a dependent
person is 'fatal eviction' a moral option?
Libertarians should not only be doing it freely, but also better :)
-Terry Liberty Parker
PERSONHOOD: Abortion & beyond
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48172
--- In [email protected], "mark robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> You awake now?
>
> If transience is the reason undeveloped stages are actually
> "whole", then everything in the universe is "whole" - and the
> word loses meaning. Transient states are entirely relevant to
> determining what is whole, especially when you are talking about
> biological organisms that are grown. The state of "undeveloped"
> is antonymous to the state of "whole", especially when you are
> talking about biological reproduction. The fetus is the stage of
> development where the parts needed to function as a whole human
> being are being grown/assembled. A fetus is an undeveloped
> reproductive state; a baby is not. The birth of a baby is a clear
> finish-line in the process of human sexual reproduction.
> "Undeveloped" = "being produced"; "developed" = "product(ion)
> finished" (post-reproduction).
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
>
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>
> Not really awake yet this morning, but if I understand what
> you're
> saying correctly, then my reply is:
>
> Developmental stages and relationships are not essential
> characteristics, they are transient characteristics.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Knapp
>
>
> Tom,
> > I would take issue with your position that a fetus "is a whole
> > organism of that species". I don't think the early
> developmental
> > stage in the life-cycle of the species, where the nutrient-cord
> > is still attached and functioning and virtually nothing
> (organs,
> > etc) is complete enough (ready) to function alone, can be
> > classified as a whole organism. It is an undeveloped stage and
> is
> > literally and physically still a PART of the "whole organism"
> > (its womb/uterus) that is incubating / reproducing it. Such a
> > stage seems pretty antithetical to "whole" and pretty well
> suited
> > for "a part".
>
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