Mark, born humans STILL need a willing/able host for life support
(water, food and so on); thus, while I see more convenience for the
host, I see no essential difference in 'dependency' 

-Terry Liberty Parker
PERSONHOOD: Abortion & beyond
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty/message/277



--- In [email protected], "mark robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Terry,
>
> My first explanation might be: Because their umbilical cords have
> been cut and they now do not have to live directly off the
> mother's nutrients. That might be the most obvious answer, but I
> also agree with your definitions.
>
> -Mark
>

>
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> case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions.
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> ------------
>
> Ready for grenade thrown over wall?    
>
> In some societies infanticide is NOT considered to be murder.  If
> you
> believe that to be wrong, explain why you believe human infants
> have
> a right to life if there is no actual person freely willing to
> provide support to that individual. 
>
> It's been my experience that an occasional kick in the ass may
> remove
> some heads far enough to see beyond their own shit   :) 
>
>
> -Terry Liberty Parker
> LIMITED vs UNIVERSAL Libertarianism
> at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48288
>
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <colowe@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > Now your post is confusing assembling (reproductive process)
> with
> > growth and maintaining (post-parturition process). Simple
> growth
> > does not a reproductive stage make; all reproductive processes
> > are growth, but all growth is not reproduction. Birth is a
> clear
> > line of demarcation when the organs and systems are
> sufficiently
> > developed to afford the goal of development: sufficient
> > autonomous functionality.
> >
> > With regard to your comments on thresholds and qualitative vs
> > quantitative: Your posts are starting to show a pattern of
> > pro-lumping and anti-splitting. Your positions seem to depend
> of
> > eliminating certain lines and distinctions and specifics.
> Science
> > is more or less interested in the opposite: it likes to
> identify
> > thresholds (both qualitative AND quantitative) - and split and
> > explain and describe and define and label and classify. Your
> post
> > is getting warmer when it concedes that a threshold may be a
> > factor; that is precisely what it is all about: thresholds,
> > lines, classifications, etc.
> >
> > -Mark
> >
>







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