libertarianism requires a 'person' to reciprocate their respected
natural rights by fulfilling their natural obligations; AND which
human (or even other) lifeforms are capable in this regard?
Please identify your criteria, and your rationale for said criteria,
for recognizing 'personhood' AND the 'traits' of human lifeforms that
you believe meet your criteria. So far, all you've offered that I
have seen (am half blind remember) is 'post parturition human' sans
explanation as to what specific traits make for personhood (an
entity's property of rights/duties capability), AND why.
Here are *my* 'tentative' COMBINED criteria for
who or what gets to be regarded as a person:
sentience- ability to consider essential
information about one's environment
(surroundings, situation and so on)
agency- power to act in one's environment
conscious volition- free will to intervene between
stimulus and response by making meaningful choices;
without which one can not be 'responsible' for
one's actions that interface with other persons
Imo, 'personhood' is about individual sovereigns
(whose 'domains' are their own bodies and
justly held possessions) being free moral agents;
which still leaves room for acts of compassion :)
Domains http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/30419
Morals http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/37899
MoreAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48519
SeeAlso: LIMITED vs UNIVERSAL Libertarianism
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48521
-Terry Liberty Parker
'The unexamined life is not worth living'
Socrates, in Plato, Dialogues, Apology
Greek philosopher in Athens (469 BC - 399 BC)
at http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/24198.html
--- In [email protected], "mark Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Terry P,
>
> Surely you are not confusing the abortion issue with adult
> persons able to practice universal libertarianism. Surely you are
> not saying the only thing with the right to continue/live is a
> mature libertarian, and that infants do not. Surely you don't
> think pro-choice includes "aborting" infants.
>
> [DISCLAIMER]
> I know you are not actually taking those positions, but only
> stimulating thought. So neither do my questions imply that you
> have. And so here are my thoughts, which I am not actually
> "arguing" (wink):
>
> A fetus does not have the right to continue/live (when exposed to
> a women's right to abort) because of all the good reasons
> mentioned here many times: mostly re the lack of basic traits for
> a relatively full-functioning animal specimen. An infant has that
> right because it HAS those traits, via transformations of
> parturition. All other perspectives that question an infant's
> right to continue/live are answered by the species identity of
> said infant. If I'm still being lazy or inconsistent, please
> indicate how with a rewording of your previous comments.
>
> -Mark
>
>
> ************
> {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote
> "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement with the
> case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions.
> There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at a
> unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill
> its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and
> unjust lawsuits.
> See www.fija.org
> [Please adopt this as your own signature.] }
>
> ----------------------
>
>
> I'm saying for one to ass/u/me (vs making the rational case) that
> a
> live normal human infant is an actual (vs de jure like
> corporations
> for another example) person (entity able to have rights and
> obligations) is spiritually and intellectually lazy, AND
> counterproductive to sincere exploration of the universality of
> libertarianism.
>
> Please read AND ponder what I wrote in-
> 'PERSONHOOD: Abortion & beyond'
> at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48521
>
>
> -Terry Liberty Parker
>
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