It's a 'no brainer' (pun intended) regarding cases where personhood
has not been attained (nothing to loose) But, you're not the first
to raise the personhood question about individuals who had it but
have lost ability to meet its nominal criteria. If the loss of
criteria capability is permanent then personhood may also be lost.
So, would an individual's personhood come and go as its criteria
fulfillment by that individual come and go?
-Terry Liberty Parker
PERSONHOOD: Abortion & beyond
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48519
--- In [email protected], "wgilbert02" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> TLP said:
>
> > Here are *my* 'tentative' COMBINED criteria for
> > who or what gets to be regarded as a person:
> >
> > sentience- ability to consider essential
> > information about one's environment
> > (surroundings, situation and so on)
> >
> > agency- power to act in one's environment
> >
> > conscious volition- free will to intervene between
> > stimulus and response by making meaningful choices;
> > without which one can not be 'responsible' for
> > one's actions that interface with other persons
>
> Question here: While I understand you "tentative" disclaimer, would
> the rights of an individual be removed if, say, they were to enter
> into a comatose or semi-comatose state (or any level of the Glasgow
> Coma Scale)or even stupor? Would someone in such a state still be
> defined as a 'person' according to your criteria?
>
> I find this a most fascinating discussion that has, for the most
> part, remained very civil. Thanks for moderating.
>
> Bucky
>
> --- In [email protected], "Terry L Parker" <tx liberty@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Mark, do you believe that a universal application of consistent
> > libertarianism requires a 'person' to reciprocate their
respected
> > natural rights by fulfilling their natural obligations; AND which
> > human (or even other) lifeforms are capable in this regard?
> >
> > Please identify your criteria, and your rationale for said
> criteria,
> > for recognizing 'personhood' AND the 'traits' of human lifeforms
> that
> > you believe meet your criteria. So far, all you've offered that
I
> > have seen (am half blind remember) is 'post parturition human'
sans
> > explanation as to what specific traits make for personhood (an
> > entity's property of rights/duties capability), AND why.
> >
> >
> > Here are *my* 'tentative' COMBINED criteria for
> > who or what gets to be regarded as a person:
> >
> > sentience- ability to consider essential
> > information about one's environment
> > (surroundings, situation and so on)
> >
> > agency- power to act in one's environment
> >
> > conscious volition- free will to intervene between
> > stimulus and response by making meaningful choices;
> > without which one can not be 'responsible' for
> > one's actions that interface with other persons
> >
> > IMO, 'personhood' is about individual sovereigns
> > (whose 'domains' are their own bodies and
> > justly held possessions) being free moral agents;
> > which still leaves room for acts of compassion :)
> >
> > Domains http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/30419
> >
> > Morals http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/37899
> >
> > More At http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48519
> >
> > SeeAlso: LIMITED vs UNIVERSAL Libertarianism
> > at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48521
> >
> >
> > -Terry Liberty Parker
> > 'The unexamined life is not worth living'
> > Socrates, in Plato, Dialogues, Apology
> > Greek philosopher in Athens (469 BC - 399 BC)
> > at http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/24198.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "mark Robert" <colowe@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Terry P,
> > >
> > > Surely you are not confusing the abortion issue with adult
> > > persons able to practice universal libertarianism. Surely you
are
> > > not saying the only thing with the right to continue/live is a
> > > mature libertarian, and that infants do not. Surely you don't
> > > think pro-choice includes "aborting" infants.
> > >
> > > [DISCLAIMER]
> > > I know you are not actually taking those positions, but only
> > > stimulating thought. So neither do my questions imply that you
> > > have. And so here are my thoughts, which I am not actually
> > > "arguing" (wink):
> > >
> > > A fetus does not have the right to continue/live (when exposed
to
> > > a women's right to abort) because of all the good reasons
> > > mentioned here many times: mostly re the lack of basic traits
for
> > > a relatively full-functioning animal specimen. An infant has
that
> > > right because it HAS those traits, via transformations of
> > > parturition. All other perspectives that question an infant's
> > > right to continue/live are answered by the species identity of
> > > said infant. If I'm still being lazy or inconsistent, please
> > > indicate how with a rewording of your previous comments.
> > >
> > > -Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > ************
> > > {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote
> > > "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement with the
> > > case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions.
> > > There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at
a
> > > unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill
> > > its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and
> > > unjust lawsuits.
> > > See www.fija.org
> > > [Please adopt this as your own signature.] }
> > >
> > > ----------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm saying for one to ass/u/me (vs making the rational case)
that
> > > a
> > > live normal human infant is an actual (vs de jure like
> > > corporations
> > > for another example) person (entity able to have rights and
> > > obligations) is spiritually and intellectually lazy, AND
> > > counterproductive to sincere exploration of the universality of
> > > libertarianism.
> > >
> > > Please read AND ponder what I wrote in-
> > > 'PERSONHOOD: Abortion & beyond'
> > > at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48521
> > >
> > >
> > > -Terry Liberty Parker
> > >
> >
>
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