Without coming across as rough, because I do not mean to insult here, I
will share my thoughts on your remarks.
First, it is not my goal to convince anyone. Let's be honest, the beliefs of
any group of people or lack of does change the existence for the White Mesa
Ute one bit. That is only done through effort. At this time I am completing
my degree in Secondary Education so I can return to the reservation and work
to get some of these kids through school. In the past I was a Vocational
Instructor in Residential Construction. Since NCLB hit the fan, the funding
for Vocational Education is drier than the southwest.
Mark, my post began with my desire to share good news about the Ute
beginning a small business. In fact, it is monumental news because THIS
business can NOT be affected by the locals. The market is world wide through
the Internet. My efforts there were all about assisting these good people to
find a way toward self sufficiency. I do NOT believe aid is a good thing
except to put food in the bellies of kids and a roof over their heads. Many
of these people do not have running water or electricity. It is not uncommon
to hear of a family who's parent has run off or died from drinking hair
spray, or who's house has burned down, and who's 6 kids are living in a
wrecked van somewhere on the edge of a canyon. That situation is not
acceptable in our country. Aid needs to be temporary, and opportunity
provided if the area holds none. Education is the key. You can not run a
business if you read on a third grade level.
On 6/27/06, mark robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> John,
>
>
> You wrote:
> "I want you to realize, though, that people here are talking
> political theory that would affect the lives of people I know
> personally and worked with."
>
> People being affected is basic to any political discussion.
> That's why politics is a hot topic. But discussing it without
> getting too hot is the rule here, and a good one. Do yourself and
> your position a favor and learn the skill. If you truly apologize
> for your rough tone, we truly accept, especially since you're new
> here. But if your post is more of a defensive excuse for
> continuing it, that's something else.
>
> -Mark
>
>
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> ------------------
>
> Well you made two statements....
> Yes, they live on the reservation. The reservation does not have
> facilities
> for industry. The factory was located in Blanding, which was
> happy to have
> it until the venture because successful. At that point, according
> to the Ute
> who worked there, Blanding wanted them to hire new employees from
> the town
> instead of the reservation. When the Ute told them they wanted to
> hire only
> Ute, the town fathers changed the zoning and bye bye Glove
> Factory.
> Kiddie, I know I am rough around the edges and not as diplomatic
> as some
> people here. I apologize for that. I want you to realize, though,
> that
> people here are talking political theory that would affect the
> lives of
> people I know personally and worked with. For me, this amounts to
> seeing
> hungry people go hungrier while all the forces of the universe
> arrange
> themselves in order to correct their situation. It means people
> with no
> opportunities being left to fend for themselves in an environment
> of
> extremely harsh conditions. I know these people, I lived with
> them. Harsh
> judgement to be laid on the heads of people who got royally
> screwed right
> from step one.
>
> Want to hear the history of the Ute? They worked with the Gov't
> as scouts
> and with Brigham Young to facilitate the statehood process of
> Utah. They
> were promised in return access to their traditional hunting
> grounds and to
> never be forced onto a reservation. In the late 1800's, after
> Colorado
> dropped the Sand Creek Massacre on the Arapaho and Cheyenne
> people in the
> northern portion of the state, they kicked every Native American
> out of
> their borders except the Ute. They were sent to the extreme
> southwestern
> corner of Colorado where it was considered too harsh to ranch or
> farm.
> In Utah, the Northern Ute were sent off to the extreme northeast
> corner of
> the state, actually a pretty good place. It is mountains, farm
> able land,
> has good water and forest. The Southern Ute were sent to run free
> in the
> southern half of the state....also good in many places.
> In 1926 (approx) there was something called the 'Ute War'. 3 men
> from the
> Ute tribe pulled a jailbreak of a few friends in Blanding. Now
> Blanding is
> an isolates town basically set up to mark the southern boundary
> of the state
> by Brigham Young. He sent LDS families down there in the harshest
> place I
> have seen in order to claim that corner as settled before the
> decision on
> the state boundaries were made. Unfortunately for the Ute, this
> was also a
> favorite wintering area.
> The people of Blanding formed an armed posse, and called this an
> Indian
> Uprising. All Ute in the area were rounded up and confined in a
> large corral
> in town for weeks while the search went on for the men. The news
> media
> descended on the town to cover events and make major news out of
> a jail
> break. In the end, the one man who was not found was poisoned
> when
> strychnine laces flour was left for him by the towns people. He,
> by the way,
> was buried and dug up 5 times for photo ops.
> In the end, the Ute were placed on land that the people of
> Blanding had
> given up on. It was impossible to farm. They sold it to the
> government, who
> placed the Ute there. Since then, 3 or 4 generations have passed.
> The Ute had to tie in with another reservation, so said the BIA,
> because BIA
> didn't want to build a station there. The Ute chose Ute Mountain
> Ute
> reservation as it was closest. However, as it is in another
> state, the
> federal funding sent to the Native Americans in COLORADO is not
> permitted to
> be sent to ANOTHER STATE. IT may sound 'inconvenient', but it is
> the law.
> Today, Utah will NOT permit the WHite Mesa Ute to build or
> operate a casino,
> even though they have NO authority on the reservation. So, as
> conditions on
> Ute Mountain improve, conditions on White Mesa have deteriorated.
>
> One last point: the situation is also self-defeating. Because
> there is NO
> employment opportunity in the area for Ute, when someone finally
> DOES
> graduate from high school, 9 out or 10 times they leave to a
> place that work
> is available. As of now, not ONE person on the White Mesa. Ute
> reservation
> has graduated from college.
>
> So maybe you can understand a little why my back goes up when
> people say
> that these hungry children are receiving too much as it is.
>
>
>
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