John,
We heed your advice about action, but don't appreciate your
ridicule of our discussions. Don't underestimate the power of
education via information. If anyone knows the sad state of our
liberties, we do. Communications technology is a powerful tool
for beneficial change. The internet is one last great hope for
reaching a critical mass and affecting real change in basic
attitudes responsible for great loss of liberty. Attitudes are
the first things to change; everything else comes as a result.
(As your posting here evidences your agreement [about the power
of communication], despite your claim to not care whether you
convince anybody.)
-Mark
PS: Again, per your comment appearing critical of private
property, what are your views?
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No Cory, I actually said just cry...or do something. I do not see
a third
choice, but share it with me if I missed it.
SO what do you folks do? Stamp your feet and it is all unfair?
You talk
about Congress taking your rights and liberties...as if you can
DO anything
about that! Dudes, Congress went into a derailment in the early
1800's....they DO have that power whether you like it or not!
Whether it is
fair or Constitutional or it isn't.
WHAT are your goals? Sit around and have nice neat square
discussions about
how things SHOULD be???? That ain't IT, IS IT???
Do you expect to install a party in power that will overturn all
these years
of runaway Congress?
Look, this started with my sharing the good news that a group of
extremely
damaged people are beginning to get back on their feet through
their own
efforts. You all turned it into this....'the Ute are taking my
money'
bullshit, not me. I pointed out that your 'one size fits all'
philosophy is
just pissing and moaning if you aren't DOING anything to change
it. You cry
foul over my points and I tell you to grow the fuck
up....Congress may not
have the power LEGITIMATELY, but they DO have it.
So tell me folks....what you gonna do....stamp your feet and take
it or do
something about it?
On 6/29/06, Cory Nott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>Get on the horn. Get
> >>involved. Take action. Or, whine and cry and bemoan the fact
that you
> are
> >>legally obliged to sit back and get nothing done. That treaty
will stand
> >>until Bush gets around to disolving it. Until then, all you
can do is
> cry
> me
> >> a river, cry over spilled milk, cry sour grapes. Period.
>
> John,
>
> I'm very active. I don't need to defend what it is I do in the
political
> arena in order to take a principled stand against the
redistribution of
> wealth and the anti-property rights that are the hallmark of US
(federal
> and
> local) government today. Whether it's huge defense budgets and
hundreds of
> billions in borrowing, or tiny little programs which are paid
for by the
> fruit of my labor without my permission, it's anti-liberty.
>
> What I find interesting is that after several emails defending
your
> favorite
> program, you finally resort to the usual statist line that if I
don't like
> it, I should get active and get on the horn with my congress
critters and
> tell them to stop spending money that way. I take it that means
that
> anything that is approved by Congress is perfectly appropriate
because we
> didn't object to it enough?
>
> Did you get involved and take action when Bush was "appointed"?
Or are you
> just crying us a river?
>
>
> >>As for selling away all your rights, you have ALREADY lost
your rights
> to
> >>privacy, protection against illegal wiretaps, free speech and
protection
> >>against illegal seach and seizures. Did you make a peep??? I
think not.
> Bush
> >>has wiped his butt with that lil' document called the
Constitution, and
> I'd
> >> expect he will just keep on going till he is stopped.
>
> Apparently you know what I've done. Have you made a peep, John?
>
> I'm not worried about what the Ute receive. What I know is that
the
> government that can take my money to give to the Ute can take
whatever it
> wants from me to give to whomever it pleases. In the scheme of
things, the
> Ute treaty is miniscule, I agree, but the very fact that I'm
paying for it
> means that I am responsible for whatever else Congress decides
I should
> pay
> for. You said you'd be honest, but you delivered strawmen
again. Tell me
> honestly, John, if you are a libertarian, where do you draw the
line on
> what
> property and income is appropriate for the government to take
from the
> taxpayer.
>
>
> >>Really? Hows about you tell me WHY privately owned land is a
different
> >>story? I think the answer would be very entertaining. land is
>
> You don't believe in private property? There is noone alive
today who
> acquired land from the Ute through coercion. Tell me how that
is
> entertaining.
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