Yup, I did say two things....
You asked my views on provate property. Please be more specific.
On 6/29/06, John Stroebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Let me ask two things Mark....
>
> WHAT do you suggest is a solution? The way I see it, see it, we have been
> glued screwed and tatoo'd for decades now....are you suggesting that the
> people will rise up and change things one day? I doubt that will ever
> happen. Heck, the American people didn't even ger out of their barka
> loungers when it turned out we invaded a country for no real reason. I
> personally think it will take something so extreme, so devistating to wake
> them up and inspire them to take even the smallest action as to be
> nightmarish. Something like the government taking away the Cable TV access
> and cutting the electric in the summer enough to stop the air conditioning!
> MAYBE something like blocking American Idol or WHo Wants To Marry A
> Millionare!
>
> OK..,.sarcasm aside, are you suggesting a revolution? What ARE you
> suggesting? Cause if you do not have an idea of how to solve these
> problems....and so far I do not agree with all solutions but DO agree with
> the premise behind them.....then this is just people talking.
>
>
> On 6/29/06, mark robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > We heed your advice about action, but don't appreciate your
> > ridicule of our discussions. Don't underestimate the power of
> > education via information. If anyone knows the sad state of our
> > liberties, we do. Communications technology is a powerful tool
> > for beneficial change. The internet is one last great hope for
> > reaching a critical mass and affecting real change in basic
> > attitudes responsible for great loss of liberty. Attitudes are
> > the first things to change; everything else comes as a result.
> > (As your posting here evidences your agreement [about the power
> > of communication], despite your claim to not care whether you
> > convince anybody.)
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> > PS: Again, per your comment appearing critical of private
> > property, what are your views?
> >
> >
> > ************
> > {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote
> > "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement with the
> > case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions.
> > There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at a
> > unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill
> > its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and
> > unjust lawsuits.
> > See www.fija.org
> > [Please adopt this as your own signature.] }
> >
> > -------------------
> >
> > No Cory, I actually said just cry...or do something. I do not see
> > a third
> > choice, but share it with me if I missed it.
> >
> > SO what do you folks do? Stamp your feet and it is all unfair?
> > You talk
> > about Congress taking your rights and liberties...as if you can
> > DO anything
> > about that! Dudes, Congress went into a derailment in the early
> > 1800's....they DO have that power whether you like it or not!
> > Whether it is
> > fair or Constitutional or it isn't.
> >
> > WHAT are your goals? Sit around and have nice neat square
> > discussions about
> > how things SHOULD be???? That ain't IT, IS IT???
> >
> > Do you expect to install a party in power that will overturn all
> > these years
> > of runaway Congress?
> >
> > Look, this started with my sharing the good news that a group of
> > extremely
> > damaged people are beginning to get back on their feet through
> > their own
> > efforts. You all turned it into this....'the Ute are taking my
> > money'
> > bullshit, not me. I pointed out that your 'one size fits all'
> > philosophy is
> > just pissing and moaning if you aren't DOING anything to change
> > it. You cry
> > foul over my points and I tell you to grow the fuck
> > up....Congress may not
> > have the power LEGITIMATELY, but they DO have it.
> >
> > So tell me folks....what you gonna do....stamp your feet and take
> > it or do
> > something about it?
> >
> > On 6/29/06, Cory Nott < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <corynott%40yahoo.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >>Get on the horn. Get
> > > >>involved. Take action. Or, whine and cry and bemoan the fact
> > that you
> > > are
> > > >>legally obliged to sit back and get nothing done. That treaty
> > will stand
> > > >>until Bush gets around to disolving it. Until then, all you
> > can do is
> > > cry
> > > me
> > > >> a river, cry over spilled milk, cry sour grapes. Period.
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > I'm very active. I don't need to defend what it is I do in the
> > political
> > > arena in order to take a principled stand against the
> > redistribution of
> > > wealth and the anti-property rights that are the hallmark of US
> > (federal
> > > and
> > > local) government today. Whether it's huge defense budgets and
> > hundreds of
> > > billions in borrowing, or tiny little programs which are paid
> > for by the
> > > fruit of my labor without my permission, it's anti-liberty.
> > >
> > > What I find interesting is that after several emails defending
> > your
> > > favorite
> > > program, you finally resort to the usual statist line that if I
> > don't like
> > > it, I should get active and get on the horn with my congress
> > critters and
> > > tell them to stop spending money that way. I take it that means
> > that
> > > anything that is approved by Congress is perfectly appropriate
> > because we
> > > didn't object to it enough?
> > >
> > > Did you get involved and take action when Bush was "appointed"?
> > Or are you
> > > just crying us a river?
> > >
> > >
> > > >>As for selling away all your rights, you have ALREADY lost
> > your rights
> > > to
> > > >>privacy, protection against illegal wiretaps, free speech and
> > protection
> > > >>against illegal seach and seizures. Did you make a peep??? I
> > think not.
> > > Bush
> > > >>has wiped his butt with that lil' document called the
> > Constitution, and
> > > I'd
> > > >> expect he will just keep on going till he is stopped.
> > >
> > > Apparently you know what I've done. Have you made a peep, John?
> > >
> > > I'm not worried about what the Ute receive. What I know is that
> > the
> > > government that can take my money to give to the Ute can take
> > whatever it
> > > wants from me to give to whomever it pleases. In the scheme of
> > things, the
> > > Ute treaty is miniscule, I agree, but the very fact that I'm
> > paying for it
> > > means that I am responsible for whatever else Congress decides
> > I should
> > > pay
> > > for. You said you'd be honest, but you delivered strawmen
> > again. Tell me
> > > honestly, John, if you are a libertarian, where do you draw the
> > line on
> > > what
> > > property and income is appropriate for the government to take
> > from the
> > > taxpayer.
> > >
> > >
> > > >>Really? Hows about you tell me WHY privately owned land is a
> > different
> > > >>story? I think the answer would be very entertaining. land is
> > >
> > > You don't believe in private property? There is noone alive
> > today who
> > > acquired land from the Ute through coercion. Tell me how that
> > is
> > > entertaining.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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