I merely observed the reality of leaders using war to justify police state actions. I noted elsewhere my opposition to the Patriot Act and TSA. I could go on and name other police state acts I don't like, but I'm hoping that suffices. I could tolerate some sensible defensive restrictions, but that's not what the government has done for the most part.
From: Steve Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: How much of a police state would a libertarian find acceptable? Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror What are you saying, that it's a good thing to be 19th? Are you saying that loss of freedmen is something that you find acceptable? How much of a police state to you favor? How much of a police state would a libertarian find acceptable? Steve Bob Giramma wrote: > > > I read elsewhere the US loses many points for its quasi-police state > policies associated with the wars. That's typical of all nations at war, > as they tighten up security in response to threats -- both real and > perceived. For example, Israel would be ranked far higher if they didn't > have war imposed on them every day of their existence. Switzerland is > fortunate to be surrounded by advanced and civilized people these days, > making freedom a lot easier. > > From: Peter > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 6:36 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror > > And if you look at the Indiividual Freedom rank, US is down at 19.... > and several are tied at higher levels, so its 19th rank, not even 19th > country. Not very imporessive! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Giramma > To: [email protected] <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror > > It looks like the US does quite well in the liberty rankings: > http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html > <http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html> > http://www.freetheworld.com/ef_map.html > <http://www.freetheworld.com/ef_map.html> > > The Middle East Muslim nations, not so well. > > Switzerland has conscription military service. > > From: Peter > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:13 AM > To: [email protected] <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Giramma > To: [email protected] <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror > > Yeah, Patriot act... Not to mention how foreigners are treated. > Guantanamo Bay? Waterboarding? Need I go on? You are looking through > some very heavily fogged glasses here. Look at freedom rankings etc. The > US not only is not at the top, but is going down the list in recent > years. You should be looking at Switzerland and others instead. > -- Steve - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html "If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on." --Stopford Brooke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
