On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:46:47 PST, shadow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 09-Dec-04, Travis Pahl wrote:
> 
>  TP> Unless the government finds money to spend, it is spending our moeny.
>  TP> Increased govt spending = decreased freedom.  Yes freedom is our goal,
>  TP> but that can not be achieved by more government specnding.
> 
> Why not?

because government spending by definition is a decrease in freedom.

> 
>  s>> I think what we've all lost sight of, in this pissing contest, is Rob's
>  s>> claim that the GOP would be easier to subvert/convert than the
>  s>> Democratic party.
> 
>  TP> I disagree.  Look at what they do when they are in power?  obviously
>  TP> Roberts view is wrong.
> 
> In other words, you believe the Democratic Party would be easier to subvert/
> convert than the GOP. I disagree.

No.  In other words the republicans are not interested in smaller government.

>  s>> If libertarians had spent the last 30 years attending GOP precinct
>  s>> meetings and getting their people selected rather than trying to form a
>  s>> third party, freedom would have been better served.
> 
>  TP> Maybe thirty years ago.  Not now.  Is it 2004 or 1974?
> 
> It's almost 2005, and hijacking a party is probably easier now than it would
> have been 30 years ago. Public participation in political functions is
> dwindling, and a small group with a plan and some brains can take over a
> precinct with little trouble.
> 
> You don't take over a party from the top down, Travis. It's done from the
> ground up. It takes some time, but Ron Paul's supporters in Texas show that
> it can be done.

it could happen.  Does not mean that it could happen everywhere.

>  TP> I am not asking for perfection.  I have made that quite clear.  I am
>  TP> only asking that the candidate be headed in the same direction as me
>  TP> for me to consider supporting them.
> 
> Then get off your ass and get some acceptable candidates in the contest. The
> reality is, as Frank has found out, an R or D following their names on the
> ballot will result in a lot more votes than an L.

Who said I was sitting on my ass?

Travis

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