On 04-Dec-04, Travis Pahl wrote:

 TP> I am opposed to govt deficit spending, govt excessive spending, govt
 TP> wasteful spending, and govt spending in general.  But that is really not
 TP> at issue here is it?  What we all agree on is that we want spending
 TP> reduced....

To what end? Would you rather have less spending AND less freedom, or more
spending AND more freedom? Isn't our goal more freedom?

 TP> ... Bush/Republican supporters claim that voting Republican will achieve
 TP> that. Facts are they do not reduce spending, nor do the stop deficit
 TP> spending.

I think what we've all lost sight of, in this pissing contest, is Rob's claim
that the GOP would be easier to subvert/convert than the Democratic party. If
libertarians had spent the last 30 years attending GOP precinct meetings and
getting their people selected rather than trying to form a third party,
freedom would have been better served.

 s>> Reality check again, Travis: you are not going to make the federal budget
 s>> smaller. The best we can hope for is to freeze govt spending and let growth
 s>> and inflation do the rest.

 TP> I will not settle for that.

Perfection is the enemy of the obtainable.
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