Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 06:30:53 +0000 From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] MSIE 5.0 and up with W98 on L70?
>Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:08:51 +0800 >From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >I'm not talking about the usual windows that pop up to download files >where you are prompted to open the file from the location or save to disk. >This is a small window when you right click on a file URL, and select, >'Save target as' in IE, and something else in Netscape. > >Hmm ... so IE has hijacked your save-as in Netscape or do you just get an >unfamiliar right-click menu? (I ask because websites can use javascript to >override the right-click menu). No... I still have 'Save link as' in my Netscape right-click menu. And I guess I was wrong about MSIE co-opting the downloader. It IS Netscape's, it's just the Billy made his MSIE version so much like Netscapes I confused the two at first. > >Forgive my obvious lack of comprehension for technical jargon, but is >this 'REFERRER URL' the base URL where the files is located, like: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com > >Nope, referrer is the URL of the page you were on when you clicked the link >(the REAL URL, not the URL of the frameset. Surest way is to right-click on >a blank area near the link and choose 'properties' or 'info' or whatever >your browser calls it). That brings up the same URL in the 'address' box (IE.. or the 'location' box in Netscape). I did copy and paste that into my download manager's browser, got a list of a files there, and started a file download without getting that HTML file. The problem of the HTML file was resolved, but I still get a 'remote server disconnected connection' prompt halfway through the file transfer. > >You can only specify one file to download using this technique. And this >time as I was experimenting as I type, the Yahoo aborted the transfer in >just a couple of minutes! I'm awaiting my second response from Yahoo tech >support in two weeks! NO... we really don't want to move this list there!! > >It'll be interesting to see exactly WHERE the files are coming from. If you >have a personal firewall program on your computer it may be worth looking >to see what connections are REALLY being made ... Well, GetRight's browser showed the files sitting right in the directory of the URL for the page file with the list of files on it. But when I'd right-click and click on 'copy link', I'd get a lot of % characters in the file name when I pasted it into Getright. > >>>>Also try setting the download manager ID string to that of the browser >you're using. > >I still have no idea what a "ID string" is, what it looks like, or how to >identify it. I've up and down GetRight's options a few times and see >nothing that sounds like this. > >The ID string looks something like "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.00; >Windows 98)" (thats if your browser is IE5.0). Some download managers call >it 'User agent' so it may be worth searching as that as well. I went through GetRight's options for about the 10th time, and still see nothing there about this. Wonder if it's an issue worth pursuing at this point. > From what I understand, that Gibson character really needs to take a >holiday ... have you seen some of the stuff he writes? That guy has a habit >of making mountains out of molehills ... not to say he doesn't know what >he's talking about but I do think he is a bit sensationalistic about some >of the things he says (I would say more but I don't want to incite a flame >session). Having said that, yes RealDownload and GoZilla do both send >statistical information back to base servers. However, services like Yahoo >Groups are no better ... Well... I have a pet peeve with SPAM. And Gibson pretty well showed how GoZilla could suck your ISP email address off your Windows configuration and phone it home to result in a lot more annoyance. I'm stymied at how websites get this info none-the-less. I specifically use online email account addresses to fill in website forms. But though this used to work to prevent SPAM, THESE days it doesn't seem to do it. As I recall when I was working with HTML, when you submit a website form, the MAILTO tag somehow operates via your configured ISP email address. I'd get forms posted from my website sent right to my ISP email account, and I could see the email address that the form was posted from, despite the fact that they'd written a different email address for themselves into the form. > >>The HTML files is not unusual, that's not the issue > > > >Hmmm... it is for me, as only my download managers get these (I don't get >them via the right-click method I described), and I'd like to figure out >how to get around it. I'll try to understand that referral URL you >mention. > >What I mean is that your problem isn't the HTML files as such, your problem >is the server not recognising the fact that you're logged in (which is then >causing the HTML files to come up ... you'd rather a HTML file than have >your connection time out right?) ... The connection to the Yahoo server to download the file hasn't even been made until a file is downloaded one way or the other. When I download the HTML file, the connection is made, and stopped after the HTML file download. It's not like my ISP connection dropped out, which is what Yahoo tech support thought I was saying. Is that what you thought I was saying? >Oh for Z-Modem on the net! I felt like I'd gone BACKWARDS in the area of >file transfers when I went from BBS connections to a connection directly to >the Internet! > >Umm ... ya right you go use your Z-Modem. Do remember that the Internet is >a completely different kettle of fish compared to a direct modem >connection. Understood... I was just reflecting on how well Z-Modem worked accessing BBS files... and wishing something similar had been developed on the Internet that worked as nicely. >For all you know it might have NOTHIGN to do with Yahoo and everything to >do with the connection between you and them (naturally the problem would be >amplified by your inability to resume the download due to their server >setup). It would seem the problem may be closer to their end than this end, as their server is the only one I've ever had this problem with... though this certainly wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong about something like this ;-P > >That's where the root of the problem seemed to be. They thought I was >saying that the connection to my ISP was cutting out. They didn't read my >note close enough to see where I said Download Mage will sit there all >night going in circles renegotiating aborted file transfers, and resuming >them again from the beginning, as the Yahoo server doesn't resume in the >middle anywhere. > >Note that they might well be pre-sorting the emails using a program then >just skimming them and giving you one of a number of standard replies. The first reply was one of those. The second addressed the specific issues I raised. I got that email from them 7 days ago, and replied immediately. I'm still waiting for a reply to that note. It's been 3 weeks now since I sent my first request for help. Today I sent another reply to that 2nd note of theirs... we'll see. Microsoft, AOL, and Yahoo are not some of my favorite neighbors on the net, but it goes without saying that they certainly have many merits that offset the hassles. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ************************************************************** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ -------TO UNSUBSCRIBE------- Reply to any of the list messages. 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