Wouldn't Ch6 on actors be useful too? But yea, Ch7 would be too much. On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM, David Pollak<[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Wilson MacGyver <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> I would like to suggest David's "Beginning Scala" book. It's written >> for new comer. And has lots of examples that you can play with >> using Scala's REPL. > > Heh... you beat me to the suggestion... ;-) > > Chapters 2-5 of Beginning Scala should give you some grounding in Scala > syntax and how to do cool things with Scala. Whatever you do, stay away > from Chapter 7... it's a big nasty scary thing and is not needed for the > kind of code you're writing. > > Once you get through BegSca 2-5, go on to > http://liftweb.net/docs/getting_started.html There may be gaps between the > two, but if you point out the gaps, we'll fill them in both online and in > the Getting Started document. > >> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:22 PM, eric cs<[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > David, awesome ideas you got there,thanks, about posting my >> > improvements and stuff, pretty unique really and it will helps for >> > future programers as well specially coming raw into Scala. >> > I totally agree with you, maybe Scala is too much for a new guy who >> > doesn't know some basic and advanced concepts or doesn't know how to >> > put everything together? >> > Totally agree there, but please tell a way, a book who will teach that >> > foundation that has some examples in practice as well. >> > I could install Scala do all that you mention but I don't know where >> > to go from there which itens/classes/objects should I add to start >> > building a app from scratch. >> > I am looking for some book right now, like Code Complete 2,Clean Code: >> > A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship. >> > I know what a method/function is what it does, I know what a class is, >> > an Interface,Object,inheritance, but I can't put everything together >> > yet, I know some of the theory and concepts, I think I need a good >> > book that teaches how o put everything together. >> > If you guys know some...please let me know. >> > What's more, after that I will need to learn why scala is so >> > diferent,powerfull,improved from Java or Ruby in concepts,theory,way >> > to program and do things, in case you know a book about that too would >> > be awesome. >> > >> > Is like a person who know what a cement is, water,tools, but doesn't >> > know how to construct something, with pavers some people knows what it >> > is but doesn't know how to pave and how some paver patterns with help >> > with that, he can just put random pavers on the ground because is >> > gonna be a mess, same thing with coding I think..hehe >> > Thanks. >> > >> > On Jul 6, 12:00 pm, Wilson MacGyver <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I would echo David's comment. Scala is a powerful language with high >> >> complexity budget. I think it's important to learn the fundamentals of >> >> Scala first and build on top of it. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM, David >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pollak<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Eric, >> >> >> >> > It seems that you want to hike the Appalachain Trail at marathon >> >> > speeds. >> >> > I'm not sure it can be done. It took me 18 months with Scala before >> >> > I felt >> >> > comfortable with it and my learning curve with new languages is >> >> > pretty good >> >> > (it took 2 weeks to get comfortable with Ruby and 3 months before I >> >> > felt >> >> > that I had mastered it.) I do not yet consider myself a Scala guru, >> >> > although I consider myself very skilled with it. >> >> >> >> > All of us have different learning styles, but I'm not sure that your >> >> > goal of >> >> > understanding object hierarchies before sitting down to code is one >> >> > that I'd >> >> > recommend. >> >> >> >> > I'd suggest playing with small pieces and getting them to work for >> >> > you. >> >> > Perhaps the following order might be a starting place: >> >> >> >> > Install Scala 2.7.5 and just play with the REPL (the interactive >> >> > interpreter.) This will give you a good feeling of what can be done >> >> > with >> >> > Scala. See how data can be manipulated. (3 or 4 days... perhaps >> >> > assisted by >> >> > Beginning Scala.) >> >> > Install Maven on your machine and create the Lift hello world app: >> >> >http://wiki.liftweb.net/index.php/HowTo_start_a_new_liftwebapp(1 to 2 >> >> > days... also use a normal text editor, not an IDE... installing IDEs >> >> > can be >> >> > a rats nest of problems... TextMate for the Mac is the best choice, >> >> > but vi >> >> > or emacs are also good if you already know them.) >> >> > Run through the ToDo example in Lift (5 or 6 days) >> >> >> >> > By this point, you should have a bucket full of questions. Ask >> >> > them. Ask >> >> > them as your going. Ask them when you get to breaking points. >> >> >> >> > As you're spending your two weeks touring through Scala and Lift, >> >> > start >> >> > thinking about what you want to build. Think from the UI back (that >> >> > tends >> >> > to be the easiest for most people... then think about how to interact >> >> > with >> >> > something and then go backward from it.) Scala allows for better >> >> > "composition" of application (using smaller parts to make bigger >> >> > functionality rather than thinking about gross level object >> >> > abstractions). >> >> > So, draw your UI on a piece of paper and then start writing down what >> >> > pieces >> >> > each UI component needs. You should be able to build a simple, piece >> >> > by >> >> > piece screen that does what you want it to. Once you've got it >> >> > working, >> >> > think about how to combine and normalize pieces of functionality. >> >> >> >> > As always, we're here for you. The Lift community will help you, but >> >> > we ask >> >> > that you document your learning (perhaps via blog or wiki or Twitter) >> >> > so >> >> > others have the benefit of the work you've done. >> >> >> >> > Thanks, >> >> >> >> > David >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:14 AM, eric cs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Guys, >> >> >> Thank you very much for all your answers. >> >> >> Having a community like that, I know is half way there for anyone. >> >> >> I am very very very eager to learn, that's my number one priorite >> >> >> right now and the e-commerce is an example to work with some real >> >> >> application and apply logic and a database to learn how put the >> >> >> classes together. >> >> >> It's not a hobbie I found another passion in my life besides my >> >> >> wife, >> >> >> my dog, my music and it's web programming. >> >> >> I like it all since css,ajax to actionscript to back side languages >> >> >> and the logic behind it.That's why I quit Civil Engineering and move >> >> >> to Computer Science years ago, but some stuff happens >> >> >> yada,yada.yada, >> >> >> here I am several years later trying to learn again. >> >> >> I feel better and more prepared than before and without >> >> >> distractions. >> >> >> I said a month but I have all the time in my hands right now so it >> >> >> could be until 2010 if necessary, full time. I wish I could work >> >> >> doing >> >> >> something like this sometime. >> >> >> Before I even learn scala, I have to get the logic how to create an >> >> >> app first in my head, like which items would an object and they will >> >> >> related to each other then to a database,it's not about create a >> >> >> simple program only,abstract,it's about how to put all little >> >> >> programns together to create something, in this case could be an e- >> >> >> commerce.Then I could learn the advanced concepts of Scala, >> >> >> functional >> >> >> programming and stuff like that. >> >> >> Maybe an e-commerce has a lot of logic involved is a good start to >> >> >> get >> >> >> my head around programming web apps with that example. >> >> >> I don't know if you guys understand what I meant,what I need to >> >> >> learn >> >> >> first, but even a book that explains that would be good, I read some >> >> >> books about design patterns and stuff but none of them applied in a >> >> >> real application. >> >> >> It's not even regular regular programming logic, I need to learn >> >> >> like >> >> >> how a put a app in a modular way, one thing on top of eachother, I >> >> >> don't know it that's the way to think about that, how classes will >> >> >> interact with eachother,Interfaces. >> >> >> Anyway, keep your advices coming and in case you know a book that >> >> >> explains that would be awesome. >> >> >> Thanks again. >> >> >> >> >> wat >> >> >> On Jul 6, 6:01 am, Eric Bowman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > To this I would add: >> >> >> >> >> > The way to learn to program, is to program. It takes a lot of >> >> >> > time, and >> >> >> > a lot of hard work. Reading books is good, and necessary, but >> >> >> > it's not >> >> >> > enough. >> >> >> >> >> > Also, Lift really uses Scala to the max, so if you only have 30 >> >> >> > days, I >> >> >> > would plan to spend the first half just becoming good at Scala. >> >> >> > Which >> >> >> > will take longer than 15 days! >> >> >> >> >> > Anyhow, being a "guru" is a life ambition. It takes time, time, >> >> >> > time >> >> >> > and more time. All your time. A history of "unfinished" is going >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > work against you -- this will take serious dedication and >> >> >> > stick-to-it-ness. >> >> >> >> >> > An insightful view from Google's Director of >> >> >> > Research:http://norvig.com/21-days.html >> >> >> >> >> > Naftoli Gugenhem wrote: >> >> >> > > I would say that the main advantage knowledge of Java over a >> >> >> > > similar >> >> >> > > language gives you is knowledge of the Java environment and >> >> >> > > system, but you >> >> >> > > can pick that up via scala too. >> >> >> > > As far as turning theory into actual programming, my personal >> >> >> > > advice >> >> >> > > is to take one small sample, get it running, and then ask >> >> >> > > yourself questions >> >> >> > > like "Why does it do this?" and "What if I change this." Once >> >> >> > > you have a >> >> >> > > thorough understanding of how the sample accomplishes what it >> >> >> > > was supposed >> >> >> > > to accomplish, and how all the parts contribute to that, repeat >> >> >> > > with another >> >> >> > > one. Along the way ask yourself, "What if I want the computer to >> >> >> > > do xyz >> >> >> > > (similar to sample x)?" Also, play around in the interpreter >> >> >> > > trying >> >> >> > > different permutations. >> >> >> > > Of course, it goes without saying to read the books and >> >> >> > > articles, not >> >> >> > > to mention to ask all your questions on the scala-user list. >> >> >> > > Enjoy! >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------- >> >> >> > > eric cs<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > Hi guys, >> >> >> >> >> > > I saw some posts on Scala website about helping newcomers and I >> >> >> > > was >> >> >> > > wondering if some of you would be kind enough to help me out to >> >> >> > > start >> >> >> > > with Scala/Lift. >> >> >> > > My main problem is I am not a programmer yet but I really really >> >> >> > > want >> >> >> > > to be, I've been studying Ruby/Rails, >> >> >> > > Php/Zend/Symfony,Mvc,Design >> >> >> > > Patterns,Uml,Sql and some Java. I read some books but I don't >> >> >> > > get my >> >> >> > > head to think like a programer. >> >> >> > > I really like OO,Design Patterns, Uml but I don't know how to >> >> >> > > apply >> >> >> > > that to a full application, how to link everything together, >> >> >> > > classes,objects(books about that?Not about those items but how >> >> >> > > to put >> >> >> > > everything together)...I know a lot of the theory and concepts >> >> >> > > but no >> >> >> > > practice. >> >> >> > > I have all july available to learn that 12 hours a day or more >> >> >> > > if >> >> >> > > necessary I just need a push, someone to teach/help me out. >> >> >> > > What's more, I saw a post saying that I could learn Scala from >> >> >> > > scratch >> >> >> > > without learning Java, it's possible, not so much with Groovy. >> >> >> > > If it's >> >> >> > > not what parts of Java do I need to know, in case some of you >> >> >> > > tell me >> >> >> > > learn Java first(the easy answer).Do I need a lot of experience >> >> >> > > in >> >> >> > > Java to jump in in Scala? I know it helps but I would like to >> >> >> > > finish >> >> >> > > my first e-commerce in august, 100% opensource in Scala if >> >> >> > > possible. >> >> >> >> >> > > P.s:I did 2 years of Computer Science C++ and 2 years of Civil >> >> >> > > Engineering over 12 years ago both unfinished. >> >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Eric Bowman >> >> >> > Boboco Ltd >> >> >> > [email protected]http://www.boboco.ie/ebowman/pubkey.pgp >> >> >> > +35318394189/+353872801532- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> > Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net >> >> > Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 >> >> > Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp >> >> > Git some:http://github.com/dpp >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum. >> >> > > > > -- > Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net > Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 > Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp > Git some: http://github.com/dpp > > > >
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