On Thursday, 7 June 2018 08:39:41 AEST Tom Worthington wrote:

> Perhaps I am confident of finding competent people because I train them at 
> ANU. I tutor teams of programmers and engineers at ANU. One one of my teams 
> this semester built a simulator for testing software in thousands of 
> interconnected sensors for a defence company. 
> https://cs.anu.edu.au/TechLauncher/get_involved/call_for_projects/

I think Paul was referring to software bloat introduced by development 
environments, not the inherent skills of the developers.

DEs can turn out terrible HTML, with many levels of redundancies appearing 
during the development process, and clunky code due to extensive use of 
libraries, internal checking, and very general transaction-processing protocols 
such as Tuxedo.  There's very definitely a place for these things in big-system 
implementations, but it will be interesting to see what survives into the age 
of internet-connected toilets.

I had about ten years tutoring Software Engineering projects at a university in 
Sydney.

DavidL.

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