Linux-Advocacy Digest #248, Volume #26 Tue, 25 Apr 00 12:13:40 EDT
Contents:
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...) (Jim
Richardson)
Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability ("Chad Myers")
Linux Goes MLM ("G. O. Heist")
Re: which OS is best? (Craig Kelley)
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...) (Terry
Porter)
Re: which OS is best? (Craig Kelley)
Re: which OS is best? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...) (david
parsons)
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...) (Craig
Kelley)
Re: Linux kernel 2.4 (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
i cant blieve you people!! (steve jobsniak)
Re: Why Linux should be pronounced with a long I (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...) (Leslie
Mikesell)
Re: which OS is best? (Jim Richardson)
Re: on installing software on linux. a worst broken system. (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Brett Ryan)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:01:25 GMT
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 06:49:16 GMT,
S4eaDra4gon, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 05:55:11 GMT, Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Well in the case of slashdot... while it is frequented by many pro-linux
>>people, they try to post stories about anything "nerds" might like. It's not
>>a pure Linux site.
>
>Whatever. The only Microsoft news posted on that site are negative (e.g.
>the unfolding court drama), which the readers cheer. Positive Microsoft
>stories are literally ignored. For example, that site made absolutely no
>mention of the Windows 2000 release, even though it was the top
>computer story everywhere else.
>
>>Wouldn't mean a thing to most people. You could post the same for qcom
>>stock... our stock is way down right now, but it doesn't mean the company
>>is doing bad. Right now the stock market just isn't following much common
>>sense. Hell, we posted great Q1 earnings again and while the stock went up
>>for a day, it's down again... sucks! :/
>
>QCOM is still over half of its 52-week high, but LNUX is about 1/8 of its
>52-week high (and barely above its IPO price). There's a difference in
>magnitude here.
Would that be the LNUX which had the highest opening day gain of any IPO
on the NASDAQ ever? went from what? $30 to almost $300 in the first day?
With a high like that...
>
>>It's not the whole community, it's just a vocal group of rabid pro-Linux
>>people. There are people like that for all the OSes it seems. The most
>>annoying people tend to be heard the most.
>
>I have never heard a Windows user say "Windows is better than _____, but
>you do not have the technical competency to understand why". I hear Linux
>people say this all the time.
The tack many winvocates take is "windows is better because it has great
market share"
lotsa technical arguments there...
Win9X is ok for games, It was the least bad choice for my mom's first
computer, that's about it IMHO.
Why do I like linux better than windows? Xemacs compiles with no complaints
and no fuss (getting cgwin going can be a real pain) In the last 4+ years
of using Linux on varying architectures, crashes are a rarity. Even as seldom
as I use win98 for games, it crashes more than linux, which I use for 14+
hours a day on weekdays, and often more on weekends.
(I have had X lock up several times, the only crashes of the OS have been
recently as the result of a laptop that was cooking itself. Got to the point
that it wouldn't even get to the bios screen. *Sigh*
Developing, in just about any language other than VB (which I don't do so it's
a non-issue) is easier and faster under linux. (the Python environment for
windows looks nice, but it's not Xemacs or Vim...)
There is more software (open source) than I can possibly keep up with. Sure,
there's alot of S/W out there for windows, but most of it is $$$ or shareware.
Also, whether it's a result of the OS, or the coders, the windows stuff seems
more bloated and buggier as a rule.
The info on linux is there, sometimes you have to search for it, but it's
there, you have a prob? email the author of the program, the odds are, you'll
get a responce, and the program will get fixed.
That'll doo for now I guess.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:03:30 GMT
Ugh...thag...can't...spell...
s/purposely/supposedly/
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:CM8N4.6410$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Seeing as how a simple buffer overrun was mistreated as a "backdoor" that was
> purposely placed by Microsoft, I thought it was only fitting to see how
> Open Sores can fall victim to the same thing.
>
> http://xforce.iss.net/alerts/advise46.php3
>
> 'cept, it's not just a buffer overrun, it's an actual password placed in the
> product so that your linux box can be more easily used for DDoS'ing large
> eCommerce sites without having to mess around with actually hacking the box
> (not that that is harder or anything).
>
> "With this backdoor password, an attacker could compromise the web server as
> well as deface and destroy the web site."
>
> -Chad
>
>
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From: "G. O. Heist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Goes MLM
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:10:43 -0700
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 22:13:43 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> On 24 Apr 2000 12:44:54 -0600, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >> Why? Anyone can SU to root anyway. It's a private network, so I
> >> don't worry about sniffing, so... why not?
> >
> >Because there are oodles of tools out there that are custom-built to
> >sniff telnet logins (just like appletalk and smb sniffers). Even if
> >your machine is private, if it were ever connected to the internet
> >you'd be allowing for root attacks on the machine via telnet.
> >Requiring someone to su to root puts at least 2 barriers in their way.
> >
> >> >If you really want to, then erase the pam_securetty.so line from
> >> >/etc/pam.d/login (or change it from "required" to "optional").
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >
> >No problem.
>
> How did you learn that?
Read too much BugTraq and rootshell. :)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 25 Apr 2000 12:14:41 +0800
On 24 Apr 2000 01:22:01 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>OK - to begin with, why is Unix's I/O model preferable to a nice
>>>asynchronous I/O model offerred in other systems?
>
>>Please don't waste my time with such vague terms.
>>
>>Be specific.
>>
>
>He can't be specific, becuase he has no clue what he is talking
>about. He is just repeating what looks like a technical terms
>so he sounds like he knows something.
>
>One can do asych IO very easily on Unix. Any basic Unix
>programming book will show him how to do it. Do not know what
>he mean by 'nice' model here. 'nice' model does not seem
>to mean anything.
>
>pete
>
Oh I know its nonsense terms , as I've writen Linux i/o code for my Micro
burner design (working and released GPL).
The whole project was easy, Linux i/o is very "nice" ;-)
Kind Regards
Terry
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 22:28:00 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> On 23 Apr 2000 23:55:41 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
> wrote:
[snippage]
> >>Say, is there a reason that the anonymous FTP login is absolutely
> >>powerless in wuftp? Even using webmin to change things around, it's
> >>just useless - making a symlink to, say, /mnt/cdrom/RedHat works if I
> >>log in as a normal Linux user to the FTP server, but if I log in as
> >>anonymous, I can't CD to the symlink.
> >
> >It does a chroot() to the ftp user's home directory for security
> >reasons and thus can't follow symlinks pointing above there.
> >You can mount the cd below /home/ftp if you want it to be
> >accessed.
>
> I did. I put it as a symlink at /home/ftp/pub/redhat -> /mnt/cdrom,
> and both that dir and (of course) /mnt/cdrom were wide open. Still no
> joy - I can log in as a Linux user to the FTP server and see the CD,
> but anon can't. Any ideas?
Take a look at the man page for chroot (which you could have found in
the manpage for ftpd); it literally forgets about everything outside
of the application's desired path, so that /home/ftp becomes / for all
purposes of the ftpd program. It is designed as such because if there
ever is a bug in ftpd, the worst that anyone could do is exploit the
files in /home/ftp. It may be a bad decision on RedHat's part to do
this, but that depends on who you are, of course. So, when you have
this symbolic link in your FTP home path:
/home/ftp/pub/redhat -> /mnt/cdrom
It resolves to
/home/ftp/home/ftp/mnt/cdrom
which does not exist.
I'd mount your CD under /home/ftp/pub/redhat if you wanted to make it
publically available; either that or install your FTP daemon yourself
with the configuration you desire. Unfortunately, there is no
linuxconf module for the anonymous-ftp server, so you'll have to do it
"by hand" as it were.
> >You need /bin/ls to appear under the chroot point to be able to
> >view files (you could transfer without it). You might be
> >better off with proftpd as a replacement if you don't like the
> >stock setup. It doesn't need the chroot tree to restrict
> >users.
>
> I'll check it out. Thanks!
I'll second the motion for proftpd. Not only is it faster, it's more
secure and infinately configurable.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: 24 Apr 2000 23:20:29 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>Because there are oodles of tools out there that are custom-built to
>>sniff telnet logins (just like appletalk and smb sniffers). Even if
>>your machine is private, if it were ever connected to the internet
>>you'd be allowing for root attacks on the machine via telnet.
>>Requiring someone to su to root puts at least 2 barriers in their way.
>>
>>> >If you really want to, then erase the pam_securetty.so line from
>>> >/etc/pam.d/login (or change it from "required" to "optional").
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>>No problem.
>
>How did you learn that?
You do have the RedHat user manual on line, don't you? Look
(with a browser) under /doc on the install CD starting with
the index.htm files in each directory. Or:
http://www.redhat.com/support/manuals/RHL-6.2-Manual/ref-guide/s1-sysadmin-auth.html
Note that the rest of the RedHat reference is nearby... They have
done a fairly good job of this.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
Subject: Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
Date: 24 Apr 2000 20:31:35 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
sea_Dragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 07:55:32 GMT, Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>S4eaDra4gon wrote:
>>
>>Ok first off... and this is off topic from the discussion.. why are you munging
>>your From address today? I hope you don't think you're fooling spammers by
>>doing it, because your Reply-To hasn't changed.
>
>I'm not fooling the spammers but the cancel-bots. After I post a few
>anti-(anti-Microsoft) messages in this forum, the cancel-bots get me,
>and any message I post to any newsgroup on Usenet is immediately
>cancelled. I'm surprised you are not aware of the problem?
I think that you'd better get your lithium prescription refilled
pretty soon, else the invisible voices will start telling you that
you can fly, and you know where THAT got you last time around.
____
david parsons \bi/ which is worse; the broken bones or the stay in the
\/ psych ward?
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24 Apr 2000 22:33:14 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (sea_Dragon) writes:
[snip]
> >Named has had a memory leak in all but the latest couple of releases
> >so you might want to update it. A check with 'top' once a month or
> >so would show if you are starting to use swap space and you could
> >restart the just the processes that are hogging memory.
>
> Ah - that explains it. I guess Unix will just require constant
> babysitting (unlike my non-Unix machines which just run, and which
> I forget about).
I hope you're not implying Windows NT here. Try to run that puppy
while it's swapping it's brains out of memory.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: Re: Linux kernel 2.4
Date: 25 Apr 2000 04:37:58 GMT
>2.4 was supposed to come out in 1999. Then, it was put back
>to the first quarter of 2000. Then, it was put back to summer
>2000.
>
Think of it this way: If you want something that looks and feels like 2.4, you
can get a 2.3 kernel. When it's truly ready for prime time, then it will go
2.4.
I bolted some later 2.1 kernels onto Red Hat 5.1, and didn't really notice any
difference when the version number flipped over.
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
DC2.Dw Gm L280c W+ T90k Sks,wl Cma-,wbk Bsu#/fl A+++ Fr++ Nu M/ O H++ $+ Fo++
R++ Ac+ J-- S-- U? I++ V+ Q++[thoughtspeech] Tc++
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From: steve jobsniak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:34:19 GMT
i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking the rest of
the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
*happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple with it???
of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change your mind
now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from happening?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be pronounced with a long I
Date: 25 Apr 2000 04:41:25 GMT
>DINOSAUR!!! WITH SUNGLASSES!!! AND A CUSTOMIZED RACECAR!!!
>Let's petition Linus and make him change the logo.
I vote for a big evil dragon, wearing a huge fur coat and riding in a modified
Hyundai.
The penguin is not inherently bad. What I hate is that companies feel the need
to slap it on anything remotely linux-related, as though we can't tell by
context. If you're advertising in Linux Journal, you're either a linux
supporter, or remarkably stupid.
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
DC2.Dw Gm L280c W+ T90k Sks,wl Cma-,wbk Bsu#/fl A+++ Fr++ Nu M/ O H++ $+ Fo++
R++ Ac+ J-- S-- U? I++ V+ Q++[thoughtspeech] Tc++
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
Date: 24 Apr 2000 23:42:18 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
sea_Dragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Named has had a memory leak in all but the latest couple of releases
>>so you might want to update it. A check with 'top' once a month or
>>so would show if you are starting to use swap space and you could
>>restart the just the processes that are hogging memory.
>
>Ah - that explains it. I guess Unix will just require constant
>babysitting (unlike my non-Unix machines which just run, and which
>I forget about).
You really like to warp things out of perspective don't you?
You have a program that needs a bugfix update installed, not
a babysitter. Very much like one of the 10 zillion bug fixes
in NT's sp6 (no, make that sp6a) finally fixed my NT servers
so they don't completely die when I click the Dr. Watson 'cancel'
button after a simple application error that used to take
them down about weekly and fry them to a point where I could
no longer get to them with VNC to reboot.
>>>Sounds like what happened to my Linux box last night. I compiled my
>>>new kernel, and went though the obligatory reboot then ran with it,
>>You have done something drastically wrong here, and unique to
>>your machine. Are you sure the problem isn't really the
>>lilo configuration setting the wrong root drive? I'd boot
>>the install CD and tell it I want to upgrade to see if it
>>sees the old partitions.
>
>I have been compiling and installing new Linux kernels for 6.5 years and
>know what I am doing. I gave the correct root drive. I added the new
>kernel to MILO, and kept the old one, and neither would boot with the
>correct root drive. No solution except to reinstall (since I run Linux
>I expect to have to reinstall several times per year, so no biggie. My
>non-Unix home machines have existed up to 15 years in some cases with
>no re-install. I realize this is a just fact of life with the more
>toy-type computer systems).
If you aren't paying attention to version differences, maybe you
are still running something earlier than 2.2.10 when a major e2fs
bug was fixed (introduced somewhere around 2.2.4 or so).
>>>I haven't even _logged out of_ (let alone rebooted) my Windows NT
>>>workstation at work, since December 1999. I have no idea how long
>>>it has been up as that was my first day in the office, but possibly
>>>much longer.
>>
>>Haven't installed any software, I guess...
>
>Actually, a little bit. Nothing big, but at least a half of dozen apps.
Office? Netscape? IE update?
>>Almost every new program or update on my NT box forces me to reboot.
>Yeah, kind of like those weekly kernel patches .....
No, IE updates and service packs are much more distruptive. And
even worse if you don't apply them.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:08:38 GMT
On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:52:15 -0500,
[EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:09:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:35:47 -0500,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> brought forth the following words...:
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 08:03:28 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>For an office setup, sure, with NIS it isn't that bad once you've done
>>>>>it a few times, but for one-offs, *I* wouldn't want to be the one to set
>>>>>up someone else's filesharing over the phone.
>>>>
>>>>With Linux, I could log into his system over the network, and configure it
>>>>right speedily.
>>>
>>>And what if he calls you up remotely, has no network connection, or
>>>doesn't know how to grant rights to you?
>>
>>
>>
>>What if he's blind and doesn't speak english?
>>
>>(if he doesn't have a network connection, what good does sharing files
>>do?)
>
>If you can't connect to him.
the point was, without some sort of network connection, who's he gonna share
files with?
>
>>The nice thing about text based configs, is that you can step someone through
>>it vet easily, it's easy to say type xyz, rather than saying click on the icon
>>that looks like a mutated potatoe, and drag it to the one that looks like a
>>squashed pumpkin...
>
><boggle>
I know, explaining where and how to click is a pain, describe 32x32 icons, get
feedback, sometimes you wind up someplace you can't click back out of, and you
have to start again. GUI sucks for telephone directions. CLI is easier by far.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: on installing software on linux. a worst broken system.
Date: 25 Apr 2000 00:03:31 -0500
In article <d56N4.15968$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>_Your_ argument would, I think, be more correctly targeted to suggest
>that the use of RPM alone does not provide any "coherency." With
>which I would certainly agree.
You don't need any argument to understand that you aren't going to
have coherency without control over the namespace you are using.
There isn't any such control, and probably shouldn't be.
>RPM is a perfectly good _package_ manager, but it is certainly _not_ a
>potent enough tool to be presented as a _distribution_ manager.
It works within the namespace conventions. Change the conventions
(as Suse apparently does) and it stops working - as would any other
too.
>The _disaster_ is in people trying to use RPM to manage distributions,
>encoding dependancies manually within its functionality, when they
>should have been building further "metatools" to have those
>dependancies "compiled" at some higher level in the system.
You lost me there. I think you are just pushing the problem
up a level without solving it. Or is that just another way
to say everyone should be using the same convention?
>Another problem that is quite rampant, amongst the RPM-based
>distributions, at least, is that there is no agreement on a
>"namespace" for package naming. SuSE names GNOME stuff "gncore",
>"gnlibs", "gnnet", whilst RHAT names them "gnome-core", "gnome-libs",
>..
And the correct relationship between these entities assigning
names should be?
>To "fix" the problem would require two things:
>a) For there to be some sort of common "registry" of package
>information, notably recording unambiguous package names.
Managed by???
>b) For there to be decent metatools for constructing not just _this
>package,_ but also groups of packages, and indeed, the whole
>distribution.
>
>Caldera, RHAT, SuSE, TurboLinux and Mandrake are likely to be
>sufficiently entrenched in their ways for this _not_ to happen.
>
>Debian provides more tools in this regard, and a way of building
>package repositories, that allows coherence.
Can you explain how the Debian tools would cope with (only) alternate
names existing on the target system for something it depends on?
>It would be Very Interesting if a Linux distribution were to be built
>based on the BSD Ports packages; that would provide access to a
>well-known "package repository," possibly providing _more_ "coherency"
>than any of the Linux distributions currently offer.
But any of them are consistent by themselves. The BSD ports would
be equally inconsistent if someone built several alternates
with different naming conventions. Are you trying to say we
shouldn't have choices?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Brett Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:00:57 -0500
Steve,
The rest of the tech stocks will rebound, that is certain. Microsoft may or
may not. It all depends on the DOJ and the true value of their products. A major
question that is now being asked is that if MS looses the right and ability to
persue the current business model of dictating preloads and similar actions will
their products be competitive with the other choices? If preload deals are compleatly
eliminated how will MS manage the market then? What about pricing? Competition
from other OS and application vendors?
At the moment anything can happen to MS. Because their business model depended
on almost total control of the PC business from the standpoint of what gets loaded
on the machines I don't think that they are in the best shape for working in an open
market.
What would happen if a small company produced a word processor that would load into
a MS OS without any problems when compared to MS-Word. What if that product was
smaller, tighter, faster, and could read and write to any format that you would need?
What
if that product cost 50% as much as the MS one that is in the box and on the shelf of
the
computer store. It would eat Microsoft's lunch! I believe that there are several
companies
lurking out there waiting to market their products that might just be capable of such
a result.
Brett
steve jobsniak wrote:
> i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking the rest of
> the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
> *happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
> crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple with it???
> of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change your mind
> now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from happening?
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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