Linux-Advocacy Digest #220, Volume #30 Mon, 13 Nov 00 22:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Les Mikesell")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:43:55 -0500
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > And when Hitler and Goebbels were conspiring to slaughter your
> > relatives back in the old country, that was specified by law, too.
> >
> > Are you saying that, since it was specified by law, that it was not murder?
>
> It was the death penalty :-)
>
Clue for the fucking clueless:
Sophistry is no substitue for a well-reasoned argument.
> --
> Loren Petrich
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> And a fast train
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:44:52 -0500
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Loren Petrich wrote:
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Nah. I think I'll just go down to a welfare office and set some
> > > > explosives...to go off about 2:00PM when it's good and crowded full
> > > > of both parasite welfare crack-whores and parasite welfare clerks.
>
> > > And when you get caught, don't forget to do your best Ollie North
> > > imitation. Let's see how much sympathy you can get.
> > > And don't forget to write a book while in jail about what you wish
> > > the US to be like. Let's see what to call it ... "My Struggle"?
>
> > How about this one instead.
>
> > "LOREN PETRICH
> > The story of a frustrated highschool outcast, who, as an adult,
> > now seeks the establishment of a totalitarian state so that he can
> > get *revenge* on his former classmates"
>
> Seems more like Mr. Kulkis himself.
then how come YOU are the one who secretly craves to be Der Fuhrer???
>
> --
> Loren Petrich
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> And a fast train
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:46:54 -0500
Giuliano Colla wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > IE now run on three OS that I know of. Win*, Mac, Solaris.
> > >
> > > Now that is funny. Have you ever tried running IE on Solaris?
> > > It was so slow and bloated that it was unusable. Also, if I
> > > remember correctly it only ran on a specific version of Solaris
> > > (2.6 I think). Now how many applications do you know that only
> > > work on specific versions of Solaris? Seems like Microsoft
> > > can't write portable code for a specific OS. That must be why
> > > you often need to upgrade your applications when you install
> > > a new version of Windows. :-)
> >
> > That's what happens when your entire company is based on
> > code written by those with no more than a highschool education.
>
> In Europe there's a common notion that US high school do not provide
> much of an education, but I never could believe it so true, until your
> remark!
You aren't kidding.
American high schools have been dismal for the last 15 years.....
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 02:47:21 GMT
"Paul Colquhoun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> |
> |It's the design philosophy that counts, not the attempts of individuals
> |to correct the original poor design that matters.
>
>
> So, by this reasoning, we would be justified in holding all of
> Microsofts past mistakes against them, even after they have been fixed,
> since the attempts of companies to correct their original poor design
> don't matter.
Yes, why shouldn't we hold selling bad designs over and over
again against them? It might be different if they provided the
upgrade to working designs for free.
> Double standards can be dangereous. Don't go there.
What double standard? You have always been able to download
the latest Linux version.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 02:47:21 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:KGUP5.7904$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:PCLP5.19779$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Starting with win2k or does this apply to NT as well? How would I
> > add or remove an additional IP address to a network card through
> > the command line?
>
> You know, someone says this at least once every few months. Nobody
bothers
> to look at the docs.
What docs, and how do you look at them in your telnet session?
> > > Well, if the setup program doesn't include a silent mode of operation
> > (many
> > > do, including such things as service packs), then I would install it
> first
> > > on another machine, monitoring the installed files and registry
changes
> > with
> > > various utilities that are freely available. Then copy the files to
the
> > > machine via ftp, and apply the registry changes.
> >
> > Yow - that's your idea of adminsistering a machine via telnet?
>
> How is that much different from installing files to a Linux machine and
> manually editing config files?
Very - you don't need the help of another machine to run the install
first. And since the setup script probably makes adjustments you
can't see for the particular machine where it runs you have no way
of knowing if making the same change to another machine will work.
> RPM's help, but RPM's don't always do everything you need.
The editing part is rarely a problem.
> > > I'm not sure I follow you. What's wrong with a script?
> >
> > Mostly just that I don't know how to script 'visual' things that depend
> > on something that may or may not appear in a certain place and need
> > to be moved to some other unknown-till-you-see-it place.
>
> I still don't know what you mean. An example might help.
You have a setup procedure that searches available choices, then
gives you a drop-down list and you have to pick one. You may
know what you just added and how you want to configure it so
in text mode you can describe it, but how do you script picking
an option that moves around based on what else is in the machine?
> > Text
> > commands are much less sensitive to that sort of relative context.
> > When you do something once on a command line you can usually
> > paste the commands into a text file as you go. The next time you
> > need to do the same thing you can bring up the file and cut and
> > paste the same commands into some other machine. No scripting
> > language needed - just a windowing system capable of cut
> > and paste, and you don't have to worry about whether the target
> > supports the same version of a script language. This technique
> > works with everything that allows telnet connections for configuration,
> > like routers and similar equipment, but so far I haven't been able
> > to do it to a windows box.
>
> Why not? If there's one thing Windows supports well, it's cut and paste.
> You can certainly do this.
You can if there is a command line way to do everything and a telnet
session allows you do to it. With text mode commands or file
based configurations you can also CVS revision control to keep track
of the changes you have made.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:49:59 -0500
The Great Suprendo wrote:
>
> A certain Aaron R. Kulkis, of comp.os.linux.advocacy "fame", writes :
>
> >Translation . Lose2k "Professional" is deliberately crippled.
> >
> >What else would you expect from Microshaft?
>
> "Crippled" is the wrong word. It is "crippled" in the sense that only
> ten users can connect to shares on it at once. But would a user
> workstation want to share files out to more than ten users ? It's no
That's for the administrator to decide, not the vendor.
> more "crippled" than linux is if you recompile the kernel so that you
> can use a small PC as a router booted off a floppy.
>
> The different versions of W2K server are like different distributions of
> Linux. There are two different distributions for SuSE for example. They
> are just aimed at different classes of user and machine. You wouldn't
> try to argue that SuSE Linux 7.0 Personal was a "crippled" version of
> the Professional edition, would you ?
Only if the NFS module on one had an arbitrarily set limit on the
number of remote hosts that could connect to it, and the other didn't.
>
> --
>
> ROAR UP MY TWAT!!!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 02:51:58 GMT
"The Great Suprendo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> A certain Pete Goodwin, of comp.os.linux.advocacy "fame", writes :
> >NT4 on its own does not come with WTS.
> >
> >Windows 2000 Professional does not come with WTS.
> >
> >This is correct, right?
>
> Yes, it is correct.
>
> Now, here's a question for you : what kind of usefulness would the
> ability to serve X clients from a desktop machine have ?
Are you ever anywhere but directly in front of your one single machine?
It is handy to be able to run anything from anywhere regardless of the
power of the machine. Fortunately VNC works with most of the
otherwise inadequate systems.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:56:15 -0500
The Great Suprendo wrote:
>
> A certain Pete Goodwin, of comp.os.linux.advocacy "fame", writes :
>
> >> Now, here's a question for you : what kind of usefulness would the
> >> ability to serve X clients from a desktop machine have ?
> >
> >If you're just doing terminal style stuff, Telnet is good enough.
>
> Windows 2000 Professional provides that (you don't need Server for it).
>
> >If you're running a word processor that needs a GUI, then an X server on a
> >client machine is very useful.
>
> Specifically: the X client is useful if you want to run it on another
> machine. I suspect you will find it extremely rare that one user will
> want to run a wordprocessor from his own machine on another client
> machine. If running applications on client machines is an important
> requirement in an organization, a powerful server will be bought for
> that purpose (and onto that server will be installed either W2K Server
> or a suitable other OS configuration eg Linux).
>
> >Can WTS let me run Word 2000 on a Windows 2000 Server but actually display
> >on a Windows 98 SE client?
> >
> >That's the best example I can think of.
>
> Yes, it can do that with Windows 2000 Server. The client can be Win98SE,
> Windows 3.1 (!), MS-DOS, Linux, or any other OS supported by the Citrix
> client.
Windows is STILL playing catchup.
X-windows was been ported to a MUCH wider variety of platforms
in the early 1990'.s
>
> On Win32 platforms, not it can also be configured so that the window is
> displayed seamlessly on the 98SE client (ie you won't immediately be
> aware that it's running off a server).
>
> --
>
> ROAR UP MY TWAT!!!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:57:06 -0500
"James E. Freedle II" wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "James E. Freedle II" wrote:
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote...
> > >
> > > > "Charles M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >Telnet,
> > > > Windows 2000 Terminal Services, FTP, Remote Console (done locally)
> > > > > >and several others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >They can all be done locally on the same machine without a network
> > > > > >connection using only local loopback.
> > > > > >
> > > > > I did try telnet (to the local machine) from win2000, but it doesn't
> > > > > give a logon prompt (that suprised me, but I've never tried a local
> > > > > telnet on win2000 before). I checked the telnet services properties
> > > > > and notice that logon properties defaults to 'Local System' account.
> > > > > There is a choice for setting a single account username/password,
> but
> > > > > that didn't seem to work for me (wouldn't connect at all). How
> would
> > > > > you use telnet to perform a su type command? (runas seems to be
> > > > > limited to a single command, not a complete login shell, so that
> > > > > doesn't seem to be what I'm after here).
> > > >
> > > > Try to run cmd.exe with runas. Then the whole shell runs as that
> user.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > For what reasons would you need to switch to another user?
> >
> > to fuckup their files.
> >
> >
> I wondered why all my UNIX files get messed up.
Shouldn't be giving out your password.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 02:59:36 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:%mSP5.11808$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > I'm not sure why you think ext2 is half-baked and faulty?
>
> Because it is. There's no redundancy, no jounraling, no protection,
> it's slow, it's poorly designed, it's.... Obviously there are problems
> because there are several other FS' in the works and Linus himself is
> working on ext3.
It isn't slow and you only need the protection of journaling if
you crash. These days crashing under Linux is about as likely
as hardware failure on the drive at which point the journal is
kind of useless anyway...
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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