Linux-Advocacy Digest #220, Volume #31 Wed, 3 Jan 01 17:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Step-by step to install Linux RH7 and Win98. (Leonard Evens)
Re: Linux, it is great. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptimes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) )
(Peter Hayes)
Re: Why Hatred? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) )
("Ayende Rahien")
Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Uptimes ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Ayende
Rahien")
Re: Conclusion ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Microsoft tentacles squirm deeper into software hosting ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? (chrisv)
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? (chrisv)
Re: COM on UNIX (Andy Newman)
Re: Why Hatred? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Why Hatred? (JM)
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Step-by step to install Linux RH7 and Win98.
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 15:26:19 -0600
gataway wrote:
>
> I'm going to setup a new system with two ATA 100 harddisk, one for win
> 98 the other for Linux RH7.I'm planning to have BootMAgic and Partition
> Magic install .
> So which OS do i install first? And what partition is needed for noth
> win98SE and Linux? Can i have and exmaple of how much space for each
> partition? I will
> Install most of the application and games on win98SE ,as for linux i am
> a newbie still
> need to explore more about it.Kindly give me a senerio on what to do.
I don't see any reason to use Partition Magic and Boot Magic.
You should install Windows 98 on the first disk and then afterwards
install Linux on the second disk. This should be pretty routine.
You should put the lilo boot loader in the master boot record of
the first disk.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, it is great.
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:34:33 -0500
Todd wrote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
More intimidation from Microshaft employees.
>
> "Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:66q46.54927$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Todd wrote:
> >
> > > Anyway, given the cost of Linux, it is an impressive system. However, I
> > > still feel that Windows 2000 is a technically superior product ( I work
> > > with many 2000 boxes everyday ).
> >
> > Out of curiousity, how often do your 2000 boxes crash, blue screen or
> > whatever (if at all)?
>
> For a while, one box blue screened quite often - I knew it was a hardware
> problem. Turned out that one memory RIMM (made by Samsung) was at fault.
>
> We use HP NetServers that are certified to run Windows 2000 - in other
> words, all of the hardware was extensively pretested for compatibility with
> 2000.
>
> BTW, I work at HP, so take my comments about HP stuff with a grain of salt.
> :) Anyway, the Netservers are great products :) :)
>
> I also only manage boxes with mostly MS software installed such as IIS and
> SQL server. I also do a bit of work with Lotus Notes. (I know, I know :)
>
> The few remaining boxes on NT are quite stable, however, you need SP6 for
> sure. NT was a memory leak child before SP4 - had to be rebooted simply
> because some processes didn't return memory (at least that was the theory).
>
> Thankfully, MS seems to have cured that with 2000. Our uptimes are very
> impressive given that we need to reboot to install the SP1 and some patches
> for 2000.
>
> -Todd
> >
> > --
> > Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:36:45 -0500
J Sloan wrote:
>
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > Then I would say that both you and they are incompotent NT administrators.
>
> I'm a Unix admin, I thought I made that clear -
> The windows reboots are handled by others.
>
Most microshaft-lovers aren't very perceptive....which explains
their irrational belief system.
> jjs
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it
does) )
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:37:22 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:13:03 GMT, Giuliano Colla
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jure Sah wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > ?????? Tell me of a OS that crashes on it's own!!!!!!!!!!! Moron...
> > >
> > > Windows. I've seen it crash more than once before even getting
> > > to the fucking LOGIN screen.
> > >
> > > Can't get any more "crashes on it's own" than that now, can you...
> >
> > TIME is beyond your capacity of understanding? Did you have any software
> > runing before?
> >
>
> If you mean that the only way not to have Windows crashing
> is to boot up after a fresh install, without running any
> software at all, I concur with you that this may somehow
> reduce the probability, but it can still happen.
> Just try inserting a CD during the boot process, to make an
> example.
I have a machine with 'ME on it that won't complete the boot process until
I hit the eject button on the CD drive. No CD needed, just eject the tray
and push it back. Maybe not exactly a "crash" but the next best thing....
Peter
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:39:19 -0500
J Sloan wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > Strange, Neither Red Hat or Mandrake were that easy.
>
> Oh, no doubt you can make it tricky for yourself.
> I have seen people do that to themselves...
>
> jjs
>
> >
> > Windows streamlines this in a single configuration program.
>
> Really? what windows configuration program is that automatically
> configures eudora mail?
>
> > Depends on the distro.
>
> I thought we wer talking about Red Hat, Caldera, Mandrake, SuSE.
> They all include word processors.
>
> > Because that seems to be the only way to install many kinds of programs.
>
> Like what?
>
> everything I've seen lately comes in rpm format.
>
> > None of the things I mentioned exist in any form other than pre-larval.
> >
> > > What was it you people were saying a couple years ago?
> > > "Linux has no 3D hardware video support, so it will die" -
> > > but now we have support in place and rapidly maturing.
> >
> > rapidly maturing? There are only a couple of 3D drivers, and one of them
> > was just bought by nVidia and will probably drop support.
>
> I belive if you look at the xfree website and look at the
> list of drivers for modern video cards, it's considerably
> more than "a couple".
>
> >
> >
> > > and then what were you saying? "There's no commercial
> > > databases for Linux, so Linux will never make it" - but as
> > > you know, Linux now runs all major commercial databases.
> >
> > Ahh.. like SQL Server, Informix, Ingres... right?
>
> Oracle, DB2, Sybase and all major commercial databases, as
> well as great open source databases such as postgres and
> mysql. Do you see any missing? I don't either.
>
> > > What was your other mantra? "Linux has no support, no
> > > company you can call" OK, is IBM global services good
> > > enough for you? As you can see, your arguments are
> > > all being swept away by the invisible hand of competition.
> >
> > At $1000 per incident.
>
> Again, you are sadly mistaken, o wintroll.
>
> We have 24x7 support for our Linux servers, and IIRC it's
> about $1400 a year per server - and even at that, they made
> out like bandits - because we never picked up the phone
> to call - the servers simply do their job, period.
>
> > The only way your comment makes sense was if you were trying to say that
>
> > In other words, you don't do much of anything serious non-internet related
> > with it. You don't use it to mail-merge million record databases.
>
> Well sure I do bucky, I thought you were talking about
> my own personal use. believe it or not, there are huge
> databases running on Linux systems, doing all sorts
> of cool stuff...
Not to mention that the highest-throughput cluster in the
world, at Los Alamos laborotories, is a Linux cluster
made of retired 486 and early pentium machines.
>
> jjs
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:16:01 +0200
"hackerbabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:92vhq0$74c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > Linux doesn't have the 'good' value anymore. Just saying "it's more
> stable"
> > isn't working (and RedHat software's stock will attest to that.)
>
> Microsoft's stock has been dropping also, like many companies in the
> tech industry. Does that mean it's not a good value anymore, either?
There has been a long law suit against MS (and a new one about racism, sum
of 5 Billions US$, I've heard), reason enough for the stock to drop.
Why did Redhat stock fell?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it
does) )
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:23:45 +0200
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jure Sah wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > ?????? Tell me of a OS that crashes on it's own!!!!!!!!!!! Moron...
> > >
> > > Windows. I've seen it crash more than once before even getting
> > > to the fucking LOGIN screen.
> > >
> > > Can't get any more "crashes on it's own" than that now, can you...
> >
> > TIME is beyond your capacity of understanding? Did you have any software
> > runing before?
> >
>
> If you mean that the only way not to have Windows crashing
> is to boot up after a fresh install, without running any
> software at all, I concur with you that this may somehow
> reduce the probability, but it can still happen.
> Just try inserting a CD during the boot process, to make an
> example.
Actually, before the login screen appears, you've all the services starting,
so it might be that a bad service cause BSOD.
And I've just tried the CD, not a freshly installed NT4, though.
No BSOD.
Hell, the last time I've seen BSOD was when I was running the funny
screensaver.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:26:15 +0200
"Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:92vf9q$4hs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <92vark$i8r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:92tcpa$fg4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <92t60a$cks$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > > > > This way, the config file itself is the one who stores all
> > > > > > the options. If a new version, with new options, comes out,
> > > > > > the same tool, with absolutely no modifications, be able to
> > > > > > handle it.
> > > > >
> > > > > And probably screw it to death. Really.
> > > >
> > > > Not likely, not if both file & application are built correctly.
> > > > Why would it screw it?
> > >
> > > Because although it knows the options change, it has no idea of
> > > HOW they change. For example, if optionA is now deprecated, and
> > > those who set optionA to valueA should now set optionB to valueB,
> > > it won't know, and it will (in Gus Grissom's words) screw the
> > > pooch.
> >
> > The program doesn't need to remember the settings, it read them from
> > the file.
>
> And the setting is still the old one.
No, because when the program installed itself, it would either replace the
file with a new, default one, or update the file format.
> > A new version will update the file, and should covert the old file
> > format to the new format with more/less/updated options.
>
> No program ever comes with config file updaters.
How hard would it be to write such a thing.
Or be backward compatible?
> > The configurator isn't interested in the new/old/update file, all it
> > does is read the options from the file and present the user with UI
> > for them.
>
> Then it will present the user with options for a version of the program
> different from the one he has installed. That's even less useful.
>
> > > Since you will have to validate the program against every revision
> > > of every program it is supposed to configure (except the first
> > > one, I guess), you just lost a big chunk of the savings.
> >
> > No, I don't think so, if they all use the same file format (or
> > versions of it which the configurator support), then you don't need
> > to test, just make sure that the files conform to the format.
>
> The format is the same. The options are not.
I know, so?
It's the program's fault for keeping an old, no-longer-supported format, as
its config file.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:37:14 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:27:40
> >"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >>
> >> > Then I would say that both you and they are incompotent NT
> >administrators.
> >>
> >> I'm a Unix admin, I thought I made that clear -
> >> The windows reboots are handled by others.
> >
> >You said that *you* had to get up in 3AM to reboot a BSOD NT
> >
> >A> An NT server would reboot automatically if BSOD and resume operation
> >within minutes.
>
> That NT can be configured to reboot on a blue screen is true. That it
> is not the default is disconcerting. That it will "resume operation" is
> highly debatable.
That is the *default* setting for NT Server.
And you can easily verify it.
That it will certainly resume operation is also certain, since the action
that J Sloan would have done was press the reset button and wait.
> >B> If it doesn't, and you know *nothing* about NT, you turn to Google.com
> >
> >"reboot nt automatically on BSOD"
> >
> >Go to either the first or second result
> >http://www.regedit.com/Enhancements/Windows_NT_and_2000/ (will bring you
to
> >the second on)
> >http://www.regedit.com/detail/229.html
> >
> >And they will explain you how to do it quickly and easily.
>
> Have you ever stopped to think why it doesn't do this to begin with?
It does.
Sometimes you want to turn this feature off, if you are developing stuff
(especially drivers).
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:38:38 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:44:18
> >"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [...]
> >> They are responsible for cheapening computer hardware
> >> in the form of Win products which are inferior to
> >> regular products as they rely on YOUR CPU power to
> >> power the peripheral!
> >
> >They do the same thing, right?
>
> No, they do MUCH less.
Really?
I've a winmodem here that serves me just fine.
I get 7kbps+ quite often when the ISP is not busy on a 5.6kbps
The only bad affect that I've noticed is one second when dialing when it
takes 100% of CPU.
> >They cost *much* less.
>
> No, they cost a *little* less.
Nope, the price difference around here is 2.5
That is *much* more for non-winmodems.
> >The customer can easily find out why the price differ so much.
>
> No, they can't, despite your contentions. The vast majority of
> consumers don't even know they have winmodems or winprinters, or
> understand what that means, until they get burned trying to change OSes.
Igonrance is not an excuse, they can ask.
Period.
> >So I can buy a cheap, fully functional hardware, or another on much
higher
> >cost.
> >Why would I've to pay for the costly hardware?
>
> Because its the only way you're getting your money's worth, and because
> its the only way you can run a PC without getting locked into
> substandard, overpriced monopoly crapware.
Get cheap hardware that does the same task as the overprice hardware.
That is a good deal.
> >> Microsoft is responsible for creating a mass slave
> >> market of MSCE thru their licensing programs, a
> >> program established so that Microsoft alone can
> >> DEEM you UNFITT to hold a license and deny it
> >> no matter how intelligent you are or how much
> >> money you might have. If you don't have a license
> >> then you are simply doomed to work in another field!
> >
> >False.
>
> Exaggerated, yes, but clearly not false.
No.
> >They want you to pass their tests, so you've a minimal amount of
information
> >about the platform you are dealing with.
>
> Better that they should publish the information then, instead of simply
> certifying that you are allowed to have access to it, for a fee, as long
> as you pass their tests on the maximal amount of pseudo-information
> (seventeen ways to wave a dead chicken, the proper method of saying "You
> should reboot and pretend it never happened; that'll fix it", why it is
> not helpful for anyone to have access to source code, how to blame the
> driver or the app, and why troubleshooting proprietary systems without
> full documentation is easier when you've been certified in how to point
> and click.)
All the documentation you want is available to you.
Just go to http://msdn.microsoft.com & http://mspress.microsoft.com
> >It's by no means different than other titles which companies grant.
>
> I will grant you that one. Except all other companies grant
> certification to *resellers*, mostly. Microsoft (and Cisco) are
> probably the only ones who target the consumer base for this bogus ploy.
What do you mean resellers?
I don't understand this sentence.
Around here, it's a company which was certified by Microsoft to do the
tests, and give the titles.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:45:35 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:42:16
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 2 Jan 2001
20:15:50
> >> [...]
> >> >> >Found another one.
> >> >> >www.walmart.com
> >> >>
> >> >> Another one WHAT, Ayende?
> >> >
> >> >Check this one in netcraft.
> >>
> >> Why?
> >
> >Adam Ruth asked about sites which displayed unbelivable resutls.
> >I gave two so far.
> >
> >Netware + IIS
> >Linux + IIS
>
> Adam Ruth asked for sites which displayed inaccurate uptimes, and has
> pointedly, specifically, and repeatedly mentioned that 'unbelievable
> results' are not at all interesting in this regard.
>
> Perhaps some web designers somewhere have discovered that there are
> certain Microsoft software products which do not behave correctly unless
> the server identifies itself as "IIS" in the HTTP header strings. I
> think this is an ominous possibility, for what I hope would be obvious
> reasons.
You do realize that <non windows>+IIS is the *only* thing we can identify as
wrong, do you?
And I'm not aware of a single reason that would require you to fake your
server.
Aside perhaps to hide your true server, which might offer some (very little)
protection from hackers.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft tentacles squirm deeper into software hosting
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:46:36 +0200
"Sgt Detritus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:92vnlh$cne$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <92varv$i8r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "Sgt Detritus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > Boring, I read Terry Prachett & eat Carrot instead.
> >
> True, Pratchett is much more entertaining. If I were to eat anything
> though it would likely be Angua (I'm going to stop now as further
> comments are not the type to be shared in mixed company)<grin>
Actually, I meants carrots as the vegtable, I love them.
And watch out for the moon phase or otherwise you will be the dinner, not
the diner.
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:49:00 GMT
"Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Nope... appeals *will* overturn the verdict. MS did not break the law.
>
>-Todd
You're an idiot, Todd.
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:52:47 GMT
hackerbabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"There is only one fundamental reason why great businessmen [like Bill
>Gates] or great companies [like Microsoft] are hated, and it has
>nothing to do with so-called monopolies. [Microsoft is] hated . . .
>because [it is] good, that is, smarter, more visionary, more creative,
>more tenacious, more action-focused, more ambitious, and more
>successful than everyone else.
Yeah, and Stalin rose to power just because he was smarter, more
visionary, more creative, more tenacious, more action-focused, more
ambitious, and more successful than everyone else.
Or was it he was more brutal and evil than everyone else, willing to
do whatever it took to win, no matter how many people were hurt?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: COM on UNIX
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:08:18 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>COM was first developed in 1988 though, while the OMG wasn't even
>founded until late 1989.
But COM by itself doesn't do everything CORBA does. DCOM is required.
>Well, it's certainly accomplished that in Windows 2000.
With the required extras.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:03:59 +0000
JM wrote:
> Implied? They never implied EVERY. Maybe MOST, but not every.
Well, I took it to mean "every" system. I don't remember seeing any other
interpretation.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:07:18 +0200
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:33:50 -0600, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Great! Maybe you can help me translate this UNIX script into an NT
>> version then:
>All you're doing here is stopping a few services and starting a backup to
>tape. Depending on what tape backup program you have, this is a breeze.
>Use net stop to stop whatever services you want, then execute the command
>line version of the tape backup program (Backup Exec for instance, the most
>common backup program for NT has one) then use net start to restart the
>services.
>
>Big deal.
Well let's see you write one then.
>>
>> #!/bin/bash
>> # simple backup
>> /etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail stop
>> /etc/rc.d/init.d/inet stop
>> /bin/echo Current mountlist is like this:
>> /bin/df
>> /bin/echo TAR error messages as follows:
>> /bin/tar -cvf /dev/tape /home /var/lib /var/named /var/spool
>/usr/share/fax /var/state /etc /root /usr/local/samba /usr/local/work
>/usr/local/bb /apps /usr/local/profiles /usr/local/www
>/usr/local/win32/startup > /usr/local/backup/full.`/bin/date +%Y%m%d`
>> /bin/echo TAR error messages done.
>> /bin/sleep 60
>> /bin/sync
>> /bin/echo Starting email servers
>> # send HUP
>> /usr/bin/killall sendmail
>> /bin/sleep 1
>> # send death
>> /usr/bin/killall -9 sendmail
>> /bin/sleep 1
>> /etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail start
>> /etc/rc.d/init.d/inet start
>>
>> Of course, even opening the tape device takes pages of C++ code under
>> windows...
>>
>> --
>> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
>> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
>
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