Linux-Advocacy Digest #649, Volume #34 Sun, 20 May 01 15:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (quux111)
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. ("~�~")
Clustering OS of choice.... ("Linux Admin")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Jan Johanson")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Jan Johanson")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Jan Johanson")
Re: RACIST RADIO HOST PIG (George P. Nelson)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission (.)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Jan Johanson")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Jan Johanson")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Jan Johanson")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Jan Johanson")
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (quux111)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: 20 May 2001 16:02:07 GMT
"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
news:ZdRN6.31797$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> [snip]
>> > MS-DOS and CP/M were just awful close.
>> > Same problem with Windows NT and VMS.
>>
>> VMS and NT are a million miles apart. Neither are even equivalent.
>> VMS is at least mature. NT crashes.
>
> VMS is quite a lot more stable than NT, or at least
> it was when I used it. More stable then any Unix
> I've ever seen, too. Very impressive.
>
> But structurally they are very similar at the low
> levels. They have the same notion of system
> services, the same mechanism for interrupt
> handling, the same mechanism for process
> scheduling.
>
> It's quite striking.
>
> Stability isn't the only attribute an OS can have
> (or lack).
>
The similarities between the twn OSen are not accidental; Dave Cutler was
the designer of both systems, so it's natural that they would share a lot
of low-level design.
quux111
------------------------------
From: "~�~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 16:51:07 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Similar experience recently, except it was a quicker fix:
> 1:delete the bindings and remove the tcp/ip protocol
> 2:reboot
> 3:reinstall the protocol
> 4:reboot
> 5:sort out the bindings
> 6:reboot
>
> Then the same thing happens to a friend's WinME box. Fine, I think,
> I'll do the same thing. After the final reboot I test it by pinging a
> host I knew would be up (it runs Solaris, and I don't recall it ever
> having unscheduled downtime). Ping works fine. OK, so lets get some
> mail down and .....NOTHING. WTF? Ended up having to stick 98 on the
> damn thing.
I feel your pain. My experience with winMe was fairly painless.
1: Power down, install NIC.
2: Power up, guide the PnP hardware box to the NIC driver on floppy.
3: Reboot.
4: All protocols were installed, nothing here to do.
5: Tcp/ip properties-> obtain internal IP dynamically from the router.
6: Enable sharing and write a HOSTS file.
7: Reboot.
6: Done.
There are, however, known issues with winMe networking. Particularly with
accessing resources. See:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q272/9/91.ASP
------------------------------
From: "Linux Admin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Clustering OS of choice....
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:09:14 -0700
Cool info on size and speed of clusters.
http://clusters.top500.org/db/Query.php3
If you do a search showing OS, you'll find lots of examples of Linux!!!
------------------------------
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: 20 May 2001 13:03:04 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9e5usm$ib0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Not on W2K - what OS do you use that has that fear?
>
> Win2k, running Netscape 6. Then second time, Win2k running Windows
> Mediaplayer, copying some stuff from my USB Zip 100 Drive to my hard disk,
> and surfing the net.
>
There is your problem - crappy netscape
------------------------------
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: 20 May 2001 13:08:05 -0500
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3aoN6.687$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3afdd7fd$0$82794$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >
> > > I was referring to this Jan fellow, specifically. By the way he
presents
> > > himself around here, he strikes me more as high school kid than a
> > > professional.
> >
> > Perhaps because you hate my in-your-face style of debate. I don't dance
> > around the topic. I throw facts fast and furious. I give some hard lines
> > instead of grey conversation. I'm stating as a fact I've got W2K servers
> > that are perfectly reliable. You just don't want to accept that. HELL -
it
> > would be even better if I were a high school kid so I could add in: "and
a
> > high school kid apparently can setup a server better than you unix-gurus
> who
> > can't keep windows 2000 running for a day without a crash- AHAHA"
>
> You still haven't told us what this server serves. It isn't hard to keep
> an idle box running.
I have - see a couple of other threeds. I'm not talking about a single
machine. I just do not have w2k crashes. Period. I am talking hundreds of
machiens I've seen myself, dozens I use daily - none crash. Where is this
crap proven about mysterious daily w2k crashes. No one I know has seen them
in real life but they pop up on newsgroups a lot eh?
>
> > > It makes a good desktop OS. I've not heard flattering reviews of its'
> > > abilities as a server. (I don't take testimonials here under
> consideration
> > > at all, BTW, as they tend to be colored more by individual bias than
by
> > > accuracy. I listen to folks I've known and dealt with for years and
who
> > are
> > > competent enough to know what they're talking about. They don't much
> care
> > > for it)
> >
> > obviously your opinion has been set by others and not your own
experiences
> > so I see no further value in debating with you over something you've no
> 1st
> > hand experience in
>
> My experience is that IIS 5.0 crashes by popping up a dialog box and
waiting
> for someone to click the button several times a day on servers using
> the msxml3.dll object to do xslt formatting. Once in a while it won't
> restart even after clicking the button. If you would like to debate
> about how nice this is, go for it.
Well - your experience is pretty isolated I'd say. IIS5 crash? Har har har!
Popping up a dialog box? You've got some serious problems and they aren't in
MS's court that's for sure...
------------------------------
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: 20 May 2001 13:09:12 -0500
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:I5FN6.1204$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3b06df26$0$12260$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:HvzN6.929$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "JS PL" <the_win98box_in_the_corner> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Nice teleology; MS forces people to pay for the same crap all over
> > again
> > > > > over and over (well, admittedly, it isn't quite the same, which of
> > > > > course is half the reason for the complaints) and this is "in
order
> > for
> > > > > it to improve"?
> > > > >
> > > > > Linux improves for free. Guffaw.
> > > >
> > > > If your time is worth nothing...tee hee...
> > >
> > > I don't think you would talk about time if you installed all those MS
> > > Win2k security patches one by one that force you to reboot after each
> > > one installs. One guy here did that with at least 21 of them.
> Another
> > > one didn't, and had a web server broken into (apparently like most of
> > > the rest of the world a few weeks ago...) and had to reinstall
> everything.
> > > Is that your idea of saving time?
> >
> >
> > Hmm... lesse, new server yesterday... installed from a W2K SP2
> slipstreamed
> > CD I just burned. After it was done applied one (1) patch and rebooted
> once.
> > I'm not totally current... doesn't seem to bad...
>
> You just got lucky. If you had needed it last week you would have wasted
> a day or more per box making it usable or likely become a statistic at:
Given that the latest (and all future) security patches are now all
encompusing (includes all previous from last SP) I think we'll see less of
the hofix chasing going on.
Yea yea, buncha chinese guys exploiting a SINGLE vulnerability that there is
a fix out for already. how can you blame the OS if it's operators don't keep
it current? You can't.
------------------------------
From: George P. Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RACIST RADIO HOST PIG
Crossposted-To: comp.os.inferno,comp.os.lantastic,comp.os.linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 18:12:40 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I do not understand why the United States
> permits web sites like
> http://www.halturnershow.com to exist.
Simple freedom of speech non-issue
>
> ...
> ... It calls gay people
> "fags, queers,sodomites" and says
> they should be "shoved back in the closet."
Probably because the closet is the best place for them.
> Please show your diversity, tolerance and
> sensitivity for all people: BOYCOTT
> that web site
You haven't done anything to prove that diversity
is a good thing. You must be in favor of child molestation.
Your argument sounds like pure faggot think.
I made sure that I boolmarked it.
------------------------------
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: 20 May 2001 13:14:14 -0500
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bias is all too obvious. Propaganda has certain forms and patterns.
> Jan / Jon is predictable... an agenda.
You are enitrely too shallow and immediatey jumping to the wrong conclusion.
I don't need an agenda nor follow one. Propaganda? hehe... biased? yep. hell
yes. JUST as linvocates are biased towards linux and anti-MS in every word
they spue.
Look - W2K works fargin' perfectly for me and my buddies. Everywhere I go I
see W2K working fine. I just simply do not see any of the problems unix
advocates claim plague w2k. they are just not there. I see this as lies and
a simple campagn of FUD - utterly predictable. The unix/anti-MS types
continue to spue fear from ages old Win9x blue screen conditions. They
refuse to acknowledge that W2K is not 10 year old code and doesn't suffer
from ages old/solved problems.
My bias is all to obvious alright - I prefer to report my first hand
experiences and deny the lies of those that haven't even seen the product
they attempt to disparage.
Give me a break... you unix advocate types are the exact same except you
make shit up or ignore current events prefering to hang desperately onto old
crap...
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:16:00 +0100
> Possibly... but in a nuclear reactor there is a phenomena known as the
> "Blue Light" effect. The gov. has concluded that the blue light are
> photons travelling faster than the speed of light... sort of a doppler
> effect.
That can happen in a non vacuum, since e0 decreases with frequency so c
increases.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
/d{def}def/f{/Times-Roman findfont s scalefont setfont}d/s{10}d/r{roll}d f 5 -1
r 230 350 moveto 0 1 179{2 1 r dup show 2 1 r 88 rotate 4 mul 0 rmoveto}for/s{15
}d f/t{240 420 moveto 0 1 3 {4 2 1 r sub -1 r show}for showpage}d pop t
------------------------------
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: 20 May 2001 13:16:23 -0500
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:hAEN6.1198$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3b06dfb3$0$12213$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >
> > > There is that MS commercial on TV about servers that haven't been
> > > touched in 'days' as though that should be a surprisingly long time.
> > > Real OS's run for years without any attention. And they don't
> > > pop up dialog boxes and stop and wait like IIS 5.0 does when
> > > an error occurs.
> > >
> >
> > Amazing that I've never ever seen an IIS box do that, 4 or 5 - and yet
you
> > seem to make it sound like they all do... agenda ??
>
> All of mine do it since I moved what a pair of Linux boxes used to do
> with Apache/mod_perl and some custom programming over to a set of 8
> Win2k/IIS5 boxes handling the same job with ASP pages that use
> xml/xsl formatting. The reason for the switch is mostly that the
> xml data comes from an in-house product and service that we sell
> and we wanted to use the same technology on our own web site.
>
> I had run a pair of Win2k/IIS5 boxes serving only static images
> for a few months before attempting the dynamic part and they
> ran fine then. Why would I need an agenda to describe what
> happens in actual operation? I'd much prefer that it wasn't
> happening - it is wasting a lot of my time.
Look - the fact that due to some custom programming of YOUR own something
happens on your boxes that doesn't happen to anyone else - how is that a
problem with IIS? How about if we take the same ASP pages adn try to run
them on a linux box and then complain that linux sucks when they don't run -
makes about the same amount of sense as what you are trying to foist upon
us. OK, so your systems have a programming problem (something you wrote) -
quite blaming the OS.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission
Date: 20 May 2001 18:18:56 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>It's a statement made frequently by Linux advocates.
>>
>>Of course not. The WINTROLL'S mission is to muddy
>>the water.
> We are not the ones muddying the water.
Finally you admit to being a wintroll. Ill bet you didnt even know you
did it.
Ah well, thanks for playing.
=====.
--
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
------------------------------
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: 20 May 2001 13:20:02 -0500
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:2aSN6.1502$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9e7ugq$35s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > >
> > > > > There is that MS commercial on TV about servers that haven't been
> > > > > touched in 'days' as though that should be a surprisingly long
time.
> > > > > Real OS's run for years without any attention. And they don't
> > > > > pop up dialog boxes and stop and wait like IIS 5.0 does when
> > > > > an error occurs.
> > > >
> > > > What is this pop-up dialog? What does it says? Who originate it?
> > >
> > > It is usually one of those 'Cannot read memory at 0x....' with a
> > meaningless
> > > address that are typical of dll errors or thread conflicts. I think
> > > the usual window title is 'inetinfo.exe' but sometimes it has been
> > > something else. In all cases, IIS is not answering even though the
> > > service is set to restart on errors, 'iisreset /restart'
> > > will claim to work but actually fail whether done remotely or
> > > locally. You have to actually mouse-click the 'OK' button (and
> > > it generally reappears 6 or 7 times) or IIS just won't talk
> > > again. Fortunately, you can use VNC to mouse-click remotely
> > > (the servers are at a colo site). Unfortunately, if you try to
reboot
> > > with the process hung like that, the shutdown process will disconnect
> > > VNC before it pops up the dialog about 'program is not responding'
> > > and waiting for another mouse-click. Great design there...
> > >
> > > Trying to run the msxml3.dll in a separate process makes things
> > > even worse. The xml process hangs more or less the same way
> > > but then IIS keeps accepting requests so the load balancer doesn't
> > > notice it is broken, but any pages that need xml are never delivered.
> >
> > Okay, did you try asking what is wrong in non-advocacy group?
>
> Usually the advocacy groups are the best place to find out if something
> *can* be fixed, even if you don't get all the details. I can't reproduce
> this thing - it just happens a couple of times a day on machines that
> are serving somewhere less than a million hits each a day and about
> 10% of those involve a transformNode operation. It may involve
> an error in the http GET of the xml data, or an error in the data
> format returned from the backend xml data servers, but I don't
> think that excuses any service popping a dialog box and waiting.
Look - if you corrupt memory in a service causing the service to crash -
what do you expect it to do? Just crash silently and do nothing. At least
you're getting a box to tell you that's gone down hard. If it's dead and
can't be restarted then it's really really dead.
Advocacy groups are THE worst place to ask for a fix for this problem. But,
what the heck, how about posting as much detail and code as you possibly can
and we'll try to get you fixed up.
------------------------------
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: 20 May 2001 13:20:09 -0500
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:HdAN6.935$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > There is that MS commercial on TV about servers that haven't been
> > > touched in 'days' as though that should be a surprisingly long time.
> > > Real OS's run for years without any attention. And they don't
> > > pop up dialog boxes and stop and wait like IIS 5.0 does when
> > > an error occurs.
> >
> > What is this pop-up dialog? What does it says? Who originate it?
>
> At least you show some good common sense!
This has already been asked - it's not the first time.
------------------------------
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: 20 May 2001 13:21:11 -0500
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jon Johansan wrote:
> >
> > "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9duli0$rlp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> >> Linux improves for free. Guffaw.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If your time is worth nothing...tee hee...
> > > >>
> > > >> If your time is worth nothing, install Linux.
> > > >>
> > > >> If both your time and money are worth nothing, then install
Microsoft.
> > > >
> > > > I am convinced there is almost no way you attend oxford - unless
your
> > > > parents paid off admissions...
> > >
> > > Hahahaha! LOL!
> > >
> > > You checked the root of my email address then!
> >
> > why - just read the organization line... yawn...
> >
> > >
> > > Well, I've got news for you buddy, my parents didn't pay off
admissions
> > > (that kind of stuff doesn't happen any more) and besides if they did,
I
> > > would have failed my first exams with flying colours and have been
kicked
> > > out. Oh, BTW I passed, so I'm good enough to stay here.
> >
> > oh boy - you're a paper computer "expert" - yhipee
> >
> > >
> > > If you still don't believe me, go to the following URL:
> > >
> > > http://users.ox.ac.uk
> > >
> > > And look under my name under private pages. If you're lazy, here's a
> > > short cut:
> > >
> > > http://users.ox.ac.uk/~scat1148/
> > >
> >
> > wow - impressive - NOT
>
> For a swede you aren't too bright! Were you a victim of an avalance?!
That's VERY poor taste and an obvious sign of desperation in the face of
failing logic on your part to attack my nationality.
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:21:38 +0100
> Radio waves are not light! Radio waves have been measured by the NBS at
> 88%.
Really, they are. 88% is (IIRC) the speed of em propogation in a wire (or
co-ax possibly).
> The speed of light has never been measured in a vacuum!
It has. You can also calculate the speed of light without measuring it
directly.
> It has been
> measured, tho, in space that light without quantum packets travels
> instantaneously.
er...? Light consists entirely of quantum packets, ie photons.
> Otherwise, the appearance of distant galaxies would be
> totally distorted beyond recognition.
Since all light propogates at 3e8 m/s in free space, this isn't the case.
> But this is all irrelavant. Even if the speed of light were 1000 faster
> than what we know... the million light years of distance and time of a
> signal, let alone the attenuation of the inverse square of the distance
> would render any signal unreadable, let alone detectable.
But we can _see_ these galaxies with telescopes. Besides, there mabey
stuff closer to home.
> Interstellar space is full of energies... and full of unseen
> gravitational disturbances.
>
>
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
/d{def}def/f{/Times-Roman findfont s scalefont setfont}d/s{10}d/r{roll}d f 5 -1
r 230 350 moveto 0 1 179{2 1 r dup show 2 1 r 88 rotate 4 mul 0 rmoveto}for/s{15
}d f/t{240 420 moveto 0 1 3 {4 2 1 r sub -1 r show}for showpage}d pop t
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:22:15 +0100
> Electromagnetic waves are slower than light.... very much slower.
Light _is_ an em wave.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
/d{def}def/f{/Times-Roman findfont s scalefont setfont}d/s{10}d/r{roll}d f 5 -1
r 230 350 moveto 0 1 179{2 1 r dup show 2 1 r 88 rotate 4 mul 0 rmoveto}for/s{15
}d f/t{240 420 moveto 0 1 3 {4 2 1 r sub -1 r show}for showpage}d pop t
------------------------------
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: 20 May 2001 13:23:14 -0500
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9e84rp$7v3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> You checked the root of my email address then!
> >
> > why - just read the organization line... yawn...
>
> Hmm. The news server must be putting that in.
You didn't know this? Scarey...
>
> >> Well, I've got news for you buddy, my parents didn't pay off admissions
> >> (that kind of stuff doesn't happen any more) and besides if they did, I
> >> would have failed my first exams with flying colours and have been
> >> kicked out. Oh, BTW I passed, so I'm good enough to stay here.
> >
> > oh boy - you're a paper computer "expert" - yhipee
>
> And you're not *even* a paper expert.
Actually - I am but I recognize that degrees from university and
certifications mean very little compared to exerience which is why I don't
list mine -- I just speak from first hand experience in the trenches.
Nothing means more than experience.
>
> Besides, who said anything about doing a computer degree? I'm an
> engineer, actually and the degree coruse does not involve much computing.
So you know even less about computing than even a paper expert on
computing...
>
>
> >> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~scat1148/
> >>
> >
> > wow - impressive - NOT
>
> You asked for some kind of proof. Other than that, I've not got enough
> time to piss about with HTML.
Sure... what's this HTML thing anyway, not like it's important or
anything... never mind...
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:23:36 +0100
> Most of the industrial CPUs like Mips, Sparc, Pa-risc,...etc. use a lot
> less power to the point of not using a cooling fan over the chip. Lets
> face it... the Intel chip line is still a vamped up 8080!
^^^^
you misspelt 4004 :-)
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
/d{def}def/f{/Times-Roman findfont s scalefont setfont}d/s{10}d/r{roll}d f 5 -1
r 230 350 moveto 0 1 179{2 1 r dup show 2 1 r 88 rotate 4 mul 0 rmoveto}for/s{15
}d f/t{240 420 moveto 0 1 3 {4 2 1 r sub -1 r show}for showpage}d pop t
------------------------------
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: 20 May 2001 13:24:06 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9e88ok$db9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> As I remember, our old comrade Jon dropped out of University before he/she
> even got a piece of paper.
>
um. NO. where did you make that crap up.
------------------------------
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: 20 May 2001 13:28:07 -0500
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 18 May 2001 20:19:05
> >"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > matt - you are late to the tread and missed the point.
> >> > however, gee, you have to ask - got 24 heat producing devices with no
> >> > cooling and when you come back it's warm? Gosh ! How could THAT
happen!?
> >> > That does not address the difference between how warm it is when
there
> >are 8
> >> > processors versus 12 processors in a single box.
> >> >
> >> > then again, visit any colocation center, examine their cooling
capacity.
> >> > their cooling costs are in 5 digits a month - do you really think a
few
> >> > bucks more anyone would notice?
> >>
> >> Is that between the ever increasing black outs that are occuring in
> >California?
> >
> >If the hippie anti-nuke paranoids in CA would have permitted the
> >construction of nuclear power plants as was often proposed but never
> >permitted they wouldn't have the problem they themselves created. Nothing
to
> >do with cooling...
>
> Nonsense; the only thing that's caused any current problems is
> price-gouging by energy producers. Profiteering, plain and simple;
> de-regulation is a scam, not a matter of fiscally conservative politics.
Um. No.
That's part of the problem. Definately.
HOWEVER, CA has refused to build new power plants. It takes 10 times the
paperwork and approvals to get a power plant built in CA than ANYWHERE else
in the USA. AND anti-nuke hippies simply refuse to let them be built. When
they aren't spending their time keeping guns out of the hands of law-abiding
citizens, and ensuring that only criminals will be fully armed and
unconcerned with being shot back, they are fighting anything remotely
productive or supportive of their own states infrastructure. No more roads,
closing down more and more acres from controlled fires to prevent
destructive uncontrolled fires and stopping the contruction of any energy
producing structures except for the massively inefficient wind and solar
power sites which look great for movie backdrops but are useless in feeding
the powerhungry needs of the hippies...
bah! I really REALLY hate those types of liberals - make me puke blood - but
I can smile knowing that they are now reaping what they've sown.
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list by posting to comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
