Linux-Hardware Digest #629, Volume #14           Sun, 15 Apr 01 22:13:05 EDT

Contents:
  Problems with Mini-PCI wavelan card from Lucent/Orinoco ("Juergen Seyffer")
  Re: Problems with Mini-PCI wavelan card from Lucent/Orinoco (Jason Lott)
  Re: Microsoft gets hard ("JS PL")
  Re: Ensoniq Soundscape ISA PnP (modell 2) (Tom Roberts)
  Re: very bad performance. what can I do? (Tom Roberts)
  Vendor recommendations needed ("David Ehrens")
  how to let solaris8 and redhat share one harddisk ("Zhefu Fan")
  Re: today's harddrives will surely fail before dialup users manage to fill them up? 
(J. Clarke)
  Re: I have about a zillion questions on mandrake (mostly hardware) ("Brian")
  Re: Microsoft gets hard ("Chad Myers")
  Re: infra red - making it my self (Dodgy)
  AMD cpus, linux and die temp reading (Mark Schlegel)
  Linux and at66? ("cubaallstars")
  Re: GA-7ZXR and using Promise ATA/100 IDE3/4 (Heribert Adamsky)
  Re: how to let solaris8 and redhat share one harddisk ("Rio de Janeiro")
  Re: I have about a zillion questions on mandrake (mostly hardware) ("Peter T. 
Breuer")
  clustering Linux for database application ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Linux and at66? (Rinaldi J. Montessi)
  Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (Franek)
  Re: how to let solaris8 and redhat share one harddisk (Tor Slettnes)
  Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
  Re: clustering Linux for database application (Hartmann Schaffer)
  Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (Hartmann Schaffer)
  Re: AMD cpus, linux and die temp reading (Dances With Crows)

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From: "Juergen Seyffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.embedded,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Problems with Mini-PCI wavelan card from Lucent/Orinoco
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:28:24 +0200

Hello Linux-Freaks

Did anyone have a Mini-PCI Wavelan-Card from Lucent/Orinoco running with
Linux.
I have that card on a Geode GX1 Companion Board, but only see a TI 1410
Cardbus Controller with lspci or /proc/pci. Tried everything in PCMCIA-Howto
and can't find nothing on Orinoco Homepage.

Any hints are welcome

Best regards

Juergen Seyffer



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From: Jason Lott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.embedded,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problems with Mini-PCI wavelan card from Lucent/Orinoco
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:51:02 -0500

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:28:24 +0200, "Juergen Seyffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>Hello Linux-Freaks
>
>Did anyone have a Mini-PCI Wavelan-Card from Lucent/Orinoco running with
>Linux.
>I have that card on a Geode GX1 Companion Board, but only see a TI 1410
>Cardbus Controller with lspci or /proc/pci. Tried everything in PCMCIA-Howto
>and can't find nothing on Orinoco Homepage.
>
>Any hints are welcome
>
>Best regards
>
>Juergen Seyffer
>

Go here... They have the modules that you're looking for... It's slow, but they
modules that you're looking... Also, visit http://www.linuxdoc.org and check on
the Linux Wireless documentation.



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From: "JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.arch,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft gets hard
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:02:07 -0400


"unicat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message

> Of course there's a name for companies that trusted Microsoft as a
busniess
> partner...extinct!

Which one is extinct? There's about 32,000 Certified Business Partners
Organizations. And about 6 million developers using Microsoft Development
tools.
http://www.microsoft.com/business/partners/
Which one became extinct?  Ass.

You really shouldn't Drink & Write.



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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:15:09 -0500
From: Tom Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ensoniq Soundscape ISA PnP (modell 2)

MBNalbach wrote:
> Ich habe in meinem Linux Rechner eine Ensoniq Soundscape ISA PnP (modell 2)
> Karte und bekomme sie leider nicht zum Laufen.

I had trouble with the Ensonique AudioPCI -- the OSS driver introduces
noise into recorded files (playing files is OK).

The ALSA drivers worked for me: http://www.alsa-project.org
This is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, and it amounts to replacing 
the entire sound-processing code in the Linux kernel and applications. It
includes modules making it compatible with OSS applications.


Tom Roberts     [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:22:39 -0500
From: Tom Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: very bad performance. what can I do?

Jan Buckow wrote:
> # hdparm -Tt /dev/hda
> /dev/hda:
>  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  1.01 seconds =126.73 MB/sec
>  Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in 33.65 seconds =  1.90 MB/sec

I have an 800 MHz Athlon with PC133 memory, and a UDMA-100 7200 RPM
hard disk. The key to improving disk performance is enabling DMA -- most
Linux distributions default to no DMA, which really hurts performance (but
makes every IDE drive work -- some ancient drives cannot support DMA).

that is: hdparm -d 1 /dev/hd?

Here are my results for hdparm:

[root@lucy2 /root]# hdparm -tT /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
 Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  0.80 seconds =160.00 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  2.03 seconds = 31.53 MB/sec


[root@lucy2 /root]# hdparm /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
 multcount    =  0 (off)
 I/O support  =  0 (default 16-bit)
 unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
 using_dma    =  1 (on)
 keepsettings =  0 (off)
 nowerr       =  0 (off)
 readonly     =  0 (off)
 readahead    =  8 (on)
 geometry     = 3649/255/63, sectors = 58633344, start = 0


[root@lucy2 /root]# hdparm -i /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
 Model=WDC WD300BB-00AUA1, FwRev=18.20D18, SerialNo=WD-WMA6R2771262
 Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec SpinMotCtl Fixed DTR>5Mbs FmtGapReq }
 RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=57600, SectSize=600, ECCbytes=40
 BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=-66060037, LBA=yes, LBAsects=58633344
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
 DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5

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From: "David Ehrens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Vendor recommendations needed
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:48:29 GMT

I am running Redhat 7.x and need a system with a number of hardware
features I don't want to spend days configuring; hence, I'm looking for
a preconfigured system. There are a number of vendors who sell
preconfigured Linux systems at:
http://www.linuxlinks.com/Companies/Hardware_Retailers/. Dell also sells
pre-configured Linux systems, as well.

Which (on or off this list) do you recommend?

Regards,
David Ehrens




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From: "Zhefu Fan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: how to let solaris8 and redhat share one harddisk
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:07:46 -0400

who do you know how to let solaris8 and redhat share one harddisk

Thanks



Zhefu Fan




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From: J. Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Re: today's harddrives will surely fail before dialup users manage to fill 
them up?
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:17:16 -0400

In article <9bchsp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> J. Clarke  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In article <9b9u5g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > J. Clarke  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > In any case you made an assertion that if one's web browser slows down 
> > > > with a large cache, then one should rewrite the cache program.  That 
> > > > leads one to conclude, since you made this assertion without caveat, 
> > > > that there is some algorithm out there that allows one to write a cache 
> > > > program that does not slow down with a large cache.
> 
> > > There are no end of logN search algorithms that could be used. They would
> > > slow down, yes, but not significantly over a mere few gigabytes or even
> > > terabytes of data.
> 
> > What difference does the number of bytes make?  It's the number of 
> > directory entries that matters.
> 
> The number of directory entries is a linear function of the number of bytes,
> (since web pages are not indefinitely small or indefinitely large), so it's
> logN either way.

Fraid that linearity is a poor assumption.  You can have 1 megabyte of 
data stored, and depending on how it's broken up it can take one 
directory entry or a million.

> > > For example, you hash the URL to generate a filename and then build a 16-way
> > > directory tree indexed on the hexadecimal expansion of the file to be cached.
> 
> > And this takes how long?
> 
> O(N) with the length of the key, or O(logN) with the number of pages. For a
> 128-bit key, you'll get to the directory you're going to store the page in
> in T(hash)+32*T(directory access).
> 
> > How much RAM do you need to do this?
> 
> Enough to hold the key and one directory name.

Care to provide some _numbers_?

-- 
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(used to be jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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From: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I have about a zillion questions on mandrake (mostly hardware)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:16:07 +0200

Keep asking - P. Breuer is like that all the time. There are knowledgeable
people who are also friendly in this group. Keep reading the man's and
howto's - you'll get it. I'm a newbie myself and I've finally got almost
everything running (don't have a CDRW though) and with some help from this
group
Brian



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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.arch,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft gets hard
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:06:23 GMT


"JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "unicat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> > Of course there's a name for companies that trusted Microsoft as a
> busniess
> > partner...extinct!
>
> Which one is extinct? There's about 32,000 Certified Business Partners
> Organizations. And about 6 million developers using Microsoft Development
> tools.
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/partners/
> Which one became extinct?  Ass.
>
> You really shouldn't Drink & Write.

OTOH, what happened to all the Linux partners? You can count the remaining
ones on one hand.

-c



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From: Dodgy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.homedesigned,alt.comp.hardware.overclocking,alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject: Re: infra red - making it my self
Reply-To: Dodgy
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:27:56 +0100

What MB do you have?
I fitted the Asus one (�15) to the Abit KT7 without any problem.

http://www.bigwig.net/silicon/irda.html

Dodgy.


On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:35:08 +0300, "jimtheodo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
waffled on about something:

>try winlirc.
>find it on a search engine like google.
>
>
>steven koolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:3a64ac02$0$20777@reader4...
>> i want infra red on my computer, but its very exspencive, does anyone know
>> how to make a infrared port my self
>>
>> thanx
>> steven koolen
>>
>>
>


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From: Mark Schlegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: AMD cpus, linux and die temp reading
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:51:19 -0400


I think you can read the die temperature off AMD cpus like the Athlon via
software off a sensor on the die.  Is there software in linux that's available
to do this?

Mark


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From: "cubaallstars" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux and at66?
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:07:10 +0100

Ok here goes i installed turbolinux 6 on my machine after much trouble.Im
very new to linux and i though it would be a dodle how wrong i was.

It ran well, but at the time of installation i didnt have udma66 cable for
my harddisk so it was attached to a ata 33 port which is IDE1 on my mobo.

So i bought a udma cable and attached my harddisk to the ata 66 port at
which point it all goes bad.

I rebotted and tryed to boot linux it booted for a while and then reported
it was unable to mount the FS which i assume is the file system.

Well after all the other probs i decided to take the heavy handed approach
and wipe the partion and reboot. Oh i forgot to mention its a dual boot
system with win ME.

Well no the installtuion says it cant detect any disks!!!

But windows still works fine whats this about!!







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From: Heribert Adamsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GA-7ZXR and using Promise ATA/100 IDE3/4
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:06:51 +0200

Hi Mark,

> Any experience using the GA-7ZXR (rev 1.0) motherboard
> with linux, and especially with using (booting from??)
> the Promise IDE controller's IDE3 and IDE4 when using
> the "original" VIA IDE1 and IDE2 as well?  [IDE0-3, not 1-4 according to the BIOS's 
>definition]

With this configuration - IDE-0: none, IDE-1: CDROM, IDE-2: IBM-307030
with Linux-2.4, IDE-3: none, Jumper 19: Raid disabled, Jumper 20: ATA100
Function - Linux only boots from floppy (Lilo with root=/dev/hde1).
Although the BIOS looks for a boot record from IDE-2, it does not find
it. If I attach the disk to IDE-1 (identical content, I only changed
hde->hda in fstab an lilo.conf), Linux boots fine, but write-speed slows
down by a factor of 2 (from 12 to 6 MB/s). This looks like ATA-66 on
IDE-2 and ATA-33 on IDE-1, doesn't it?

I hoped for a bootable system with ATA100 speed, but I got none of them
;-(

Any further progress since your posting end of March?
Any advice are welcome!

Regards,

Heribert

--
Heribert Adamsky
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], http://heribert-adamsky.de

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From: "Rio de Janeiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: how to let solaris8 and redhat share one harddisk
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:09:36 -0400

I don't think, it is possible.
Okay try this.
Make 2 partition and try to installed 2nd one in separate partition and if
you can find a way to make lilo boot both of them which would be good. Lilo
needs to know which one you wanna both like Windows/Linux. Once you have
installed both linux in separate partition make your lilo configurable (if
that is possible) so it can boot both of them. Finally my concern is this,
do you even have that much space to do installed both of them?
Or use floppy disk for one.
Good luck.



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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I have about a zillion questions on mandrake (mostly hardware)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:57:00 +0200

< <>> wrote:
> screw this... if people are going to be Jack(&#$ about this then forget
> it....... I can go somewhere else :-(

Eh????

Peter

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: clustering Linux for database application
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:42:20 GMT

Is there a version of Linux which will enable us to run two or more
Linux boxes as parallel database servers (Samba) such that:
(a) they share the load, or
(b) if the primary fails, the secondary will transparently pick up and
carry the load?

Thanks.

        - David Fisher

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rinaldi J. Montessi)
Subject: Re: Linux and at66?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:45:23 GMT

cubaallstars wrote:

> Ok here goes i installed turbolinux 6 on my machine after much trouble.Im
> very new to linux and i though it would be a dodle how wrong i was.
> 
> It ran well, but at the time of installation i didnt have udma66 cable for
> my harddisk so it was attached to a ata 33 port which is IDE1 on my mobo.
> 
> So i bought a udma cable and attached my harddisk to the ata 66 port at
> which point it all goes bad.
> 
> I rebotted and tryed to boot linux it booted for a while and then reported
> it was unable to mount the FS which i assume is the file system.
> 
> Well after all the other probs i decided to take the heavy handed approach
> and wipe the partion and reboot. Oh i forgot to mention its a dual boot
> system with win ME.
> 
> Well no the installtuion says it cant detect any disks!!!
> 
> But windows still works fine whats this about!!
 
I know nothing of Turbolinux, but I do know the kernel needs to have the
ability to see ide drives not physically on the motherboard, or controlled
by other controllers (e.g. Highpoint or Promise).  See if there are
provisions for this with your install software. 
 
> 
> 
> 

Rinaldi
-- 
We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds.
--Linus Torvalds

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From: Franek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:49:04 GMT

Brent R wrote:
> No way man, you're wrong ... everything that's computer-related must
> look like a web-page... if it doesn't then you're just behind the times.
> The factory worker's will be soooo much more productive if they feel
> like they're searching the web, 
Oh yea, yeah, now I see I was wrong, of course, yeas, just think of it, the factory
workers will be able to shop on-line while operating their favorite lathe! Kewl, dude. 
To
check how their stocks are doing, transact their banking online, make a reservation at 
a
favorite restaurant in Seattle, stare at some nekkid broads while them forklifts are
running wild around. Read some unimaginative crap on Salon-dot-com. Productivity will 
soar
that's for sure. That's the end of the shop floor as we know it.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: how to let solaris8 and redhat share one harddisk
From: Tor Slettnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:01:07 GMT

>>>>> "Zhefu" == Zhefu Fan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

    Zhefu> who do you know how to let solaris8 and redhat share one
    Zhefu> harddisk

On a Sparc, or a PeeSee?

What bootloader?  Silo/Lilo?

Oh, and RTFM:
        http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Linux+Solaris.html


-tor

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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:10:24 -0500

"franek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I could never understand this enamoration with HTML-based interfaces.
There's a good case
> for using HTML in a normal web-based environment, but why the hell one
would want to use
> this crude and slow method in a standalone system is beyond me.

Well, there are a lot of reasons why one might want to do this.

1)  rollout of new versions is effortless.  Just install the new pages,
scripts, etc.. and it just works the next time they load a page.  You can do
this by centralizing the apps in a traditional environment as well, but then
you have to get everyone to exit their processes and reload.  This isn't
something you would want to do automatically because users might have a page
up for a specific reason, and killing it on them could be disasterous.

2)  You can use very low-end hardware for terminals (win 3.1 boxes even).

3)  If you have Macs, PC's, Unix machines, etc.. they can all use the same
app without changing it, and without resorting to Java.

4)  You get nice features "for free", such as the ability to open multiple
windows effortlessly and show different information, the ability to use the
"back" button to go back to previous data, etc..

5)  You can let your sales staff access the information on the road easily
(and again, you don't have to get them to load new versions of the apps or
force them to download large apps when things are updated, etc..)

Of course many of these things can be done other ways, but HTML just makes a
lot of it easy and simple to implement.

> Maybe they're influenced
> by Microsoft with their huge "innovations" like "look at your desktop as a
web page"! Wow.
> End of desktop as we knew it. What you need on a factory floor is an
industrial
> air/water-tight enclosure with a freaken touch screen (which you can
purchase either built
> into the strengthened box itself--there are products like that--or as a
hardware add-on)
> and then a normal, fast-responding gui like Qt, or anything at all really.
Just make sure
> your buttons are really HUGE, so that you can easily poke them with a
gloved finger. Btw,
> these pokes come through as mouse clicks, so, programmatically, it is
kinda mouse-driven.

Depends on the kind of factory it is.  If it's a PC assembly line, the
terminals aren't in very heavy duty environments.  Also, the system is used
by more than just people on the shop floor.  It's used by sales staff, order
entry people, RMA people, accounting, HR, inventory, shipping/recieving,
etc...





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Subject: Re: clustering Linux for database application
Date: 15 Apr 2001 21:29:48 -0400

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Is there a version of Linux which will enable us to run two or more
>Linux boxes as parallel database servers (Samba) such that:
>(a) they share the load, or
>(b) if the primary fails, the secondary will transparently pick up and
>carry the load?

probably not out of the box:  afaik samba is an implementation of the SMB
protocol whith builtin file and printer sharing.  you have to bring up the
database and make it accessible through samba.  the load sharing and backup
would have to be provided by your data base application.  i see no reason
why this should be difficult under linux

hs
 
================================================================

"The cheapest pride is national pride.  I demonstrates the lack of
characteristics and achievements you can be proud of.  The worst loser
can have national pride"  - Schopenhauer

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: 15 Apr 2001 21:35:26 -0400

In article <_DrC6.3490$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"franek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I could never understand this enamoration with HTML-based interfaces.
>There's a good case
>> for using HTML in a normal web-based environment, but why the hell one
>would want to use
>> this crude and slow method in a standalone system is beyond me.
>
>Well, there are a lot of reasons why one might want to do this.
> ...

all the reasons you give describe a thin client arrangement, i.e. a client
that only does the user interaction and communication with the server.  that
doesn't mean it has to be html

hs 

================================================================

"The cheapest pride is national pride.  I demonstrates the lack of
characteristics and achievements you can be proud of.  The worst loser
can have national pride"  - Schopenhauer

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: AMD cpus, linux and die temp reading
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 Apr 2001 02:03:55 GMT

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:51:19 -0400, Mark Schlegel staggered into the
Black Sun and said:
>I think you can read the die temperature off AMD cpus like the Athlon
>via software off a sensor on the die.  Is there software in linux
>that's available to do this?

This functionality depends on the motherboard you have, not the CPU
type.  Most modern boards have embedded sensors which you can read
within Linux using the lm_sensors suite.
  http://www.netroedge.com/~lm78/
is almost certainly where you want to go.

Caveat:  If you are using a 2.2 kernel, make sure to get the i2c package
available at the page mentioned above and install that first before
trying to compile and install lm_sensors.  If you are using a 2.4
kernel, make sure that I2C support is compiled; it's in Character
Devices->I2C Support.  (Just say "M" to everything there.)

-- 
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin /  Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com     /   Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/    I hit a seg fault....

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