BTW for latex there is a editor called 'he2' very useful.
On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 06:49:47PM +0300, Eliran wrote:
> First, I have found a site which may be related:
>
> http://www.langbox.com/heb_e.html
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 10:49:33PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> > On Sun, May 19, 2002, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: official hebrew in Linux-IL
>mailing lists?":
> > > month work????
> > > maybe if you work full time on it day by day..
> > > if you know how do tell me I would be more than happy to do it
> >
> > Ok. How about the following idea: make a (say) Redhat 7.3 based Hebrew
> > distribution to called "Redhat Ivrix 1.0", "Redhat 7.3 with Hebrew",
> > "LinBrew", or whatever, like this:
> >
> > 1. Take the stock Redhat 7.3. This already includes some Hebrew fonts,
> > and full Hebrew support in Mozilla, QT (e.g., Licq, KDE stuff).
> > Some things are still buggy: this will be solved in the next release.
> > 2. Add an RPM of Hebrew Open Office. Voila, we have a WYSIWYG editor for
> > the joy of the newbies.
> > 3. Add RPMs which will somehow cause the users to default to
> > LC_CTYPE=he_IL, or en_US.utf8, or something like that, set the
> > appropriate keyboard (English/Hebrew, no support for a third language
> > in this release for simplicity) map by default, set mutt (and pine,
> > etc. etc.) to work well with Hebrew, and so on.
> > 4. Add a few more RPMs for available Hebrew software: fribidi, bidiv,
> > hdate/taarich, etc. If we can find a few more free Hebrew fonts to
> > stick in there, do it (I think we have at least the Elmar fonts).
> > Add a HOWTO on how to use Microsoft's Hebrew font on another partition.
>
> I did something similiar + using the font in galeon it is here:
> http://eg-site.tripod.com/faqs/hig/hig.html
> it is in english but I'm willing to translate it if there is a need...
>
> > 5. If you feel brave, also add an RPM for Hebrew TeX, some very initial
> > (read: worthless) Hebrew spell checker, etc.
>
> I don't reallly think newbies will try to use (La)Tex, perhaps Lyx but latex ?
> If they don't really like to type in english, you expect them to remember
> the 'commands' of latex ?
>
> > 6. Maybe add an antiword RPM. It's not Hebrew-specific, but somehow it
> > seems Israelis need this a lot...
>
> There is Open Office right ?
>
> > 7. If still have time in the month, try translating a few important HowTos,
> > READMEs, or best of all: the Redhat installation software. Translate
> > a few manual pages.
>
> That should be helpful.
>
> > 8. If you really have time to waste, draw special Israeli backgrounds,
> > logos, and things like that.
> >
>
> Waste ? I don't think so.
>
> I know some people who can design some bg's and logos ...
> but is it really necessary ?
>
> > What we get from this is a rudementary version of Hebrew Linux. People
> > could install this (either you get special CD-ROMs with these RPMs, or you
> > install them on top of a preinstalled RedHat system) and get some Hebrew
> > support out-of-the-box on their Linux system.
> > Some of the support will be buggy, some will be missing, and most of the
> > system isn't translated yet. These things can be imporved upon in the next
> > versions, if this is a continuing project (with RPM specs available) and
> > not some one-time special Hebrew CD-ROM (like Tzafrir has done a few times
> > in the past).
> >
> > I think that though people who don't know a word of English would not be
> > able to use such an initial version, more "ordinary" people, people who know
> > some English but are not comfortable with it, will be able to "endure" this
> > version if some expert (or English speaker) helps them install the system
> > initially.
> >
> > I have started working on this yesterday, but it's going very slowly because
> > my knowledge of RPM building really sucks. I failed to even create an RPM
> > of the sourforge fribidi even though it contains a spec file (yes, I'm
> > stupid :( I'm trying to learn though).
> >
> > Tzafrir, you are undoubtedly our RPM expert. You did some specs and srpms
> > previously. Where are they? Can we update them to the latest versions of
> > stuff and collect a set of RPMs to make an initial Hebrew Linux release?
> >
> > Does anybody else think that this might be a good way to proceed? Or maybe
> > it isn't? (see also the P.S.'s below before you answer) I'd like comments,
> > and better yet: people willing to help me build RPMS :)
> >
> > P.S. The reason I'm suggesting Redhat 7.3 is because I personally use it and
> > like it (and trust it), because it's cutting-edge enough to contain some new
> > Hebrew features, and because it's a common distribution. I suppose the
> > same thing can be done to Mandrake, Gentoo, Slackware, Debian, or whatever.
> > I hope that the same SRPMs created for Redhat 7.3 could be used for Mandrake,
> > but I don't know. Tzafrir?
> >
> > P.S.#2:
> > Of course, when I say a month work I assume someone who has time to work on
> > this night after night for a month. I unforunately have a few other things
> > on my mind too :(
> >
> > P.S.#3:
> > Basing such an effort on an existing distribution (such as Redhat 7.3 in
> > my example) is very important in my opinion. Distributions have some huge
> > burdons and responsibilities, not the least of which is to do timely releases
> > of fixes in case of security problems, and I don't think we can, or want to
> > duplicate these efforts. A new version of (say) Wu-FTPD coming out has nothing
> > to do with Hebrew support, so we shouldn't even touch that package.
> > In the future, we should strive to have most of these things integrated with
> > (again, for example) the official RedHat release. If (say) fribidi and hdate
> > are important to Israeli users, I bet they won't mind adding a package or
> > a few for us, like they already have huge packages for other countries and
> > even Hebrew.
> >
> >
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