Thanks Manoj ... you put it succintly.
Manoj Srivastava saw fit to inform LI that:
> Appreciate how? I do marvel at his assumption that cracking
> into someone elses machine would be condoned. And this was indeed
> breaking and entry
Besides which the hacks he most likely used are so old, they wouldn't have
worked except that VSNL was running really outdated stuff. Plus, if this
keeps going on, Linux will never shed the "script kiddies only" (not even
"hackers only") image.
Reminds me of what Chip mag wrote in their article on Linux (the issue in
which the Redhat 6 cd came - was that Aug 99?)
"You can recognize a linux user by his smelly jeans, rumpled hair and
thick specs ....." - I won't say more, you can get the drift already.
> UK> I am sure he never had any evil intentions and if he had any, he
> UK> would never have come out in this forum sharing his
Or rather he assumed that everyone does it to "learn about linux" and
"become a sysadmin", and then requested me "not to throw him in
jail". Funny, I didn't know I had any such powers - all I can do (and
have done) is to fw the guy's post to VSNL (whose box he rooted) with a
request to reprimand him (and get a written apology).
> How can you be so sure? And just his presence was bad enough
> -- did it (along with other intrusions like that) result in loss of a
> shell account for lots of other people?)
Plus the fact that a root shell is NOT the place for script kiddies to be
in - the after effects are like letting an elephant into a rose garden
sometimes.
> machines, you join BUGTRAQ, you read books on security, and you look
> at security related information on the net. You do not break into
On the other hand, they read some of the kiddie warez and h4x0r sites, and
get stupid ideas ... As an admin, I know about root shell exploits - and
my only use of that knowledge is to prevent my boxes from being h4x0red.
I don't go around breaking into every server I see (and have never done
so - even when I first learnt about it).
In fact, I know some ISPs who'd delete a user immediately if they found
him running any such stuff from their network.
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