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>> Theres a difference, how do you think a company would sustain 
growth 
>> without making money?
> 
> How sad. You forget that free is muft and not mukt. Nobody stops me 
from 

Exactly, "Muft" things don't give returns...

> burning debian CDs and selling them. Actually I did buy 3CD potato 
set from
> a college student because he went in lenghts to provide debian en 
masse.
> Somebody had to encourage him.

OK, tell me frankly, was there any sensible business model in that?
He must have charged you a meager sum for it, I think something around 
Rs.200/- per CD.
He might have paid Rs.40/- per CD so all in all he might have made a 
cut of Rs.480/-
Subtract from that the cost of burning CDs, and if he downloaded the 
images, the cost of downloads, do you think it was worth all the 
effort and energy.
And suppose he had purchased the Debian CDs and just copied them for 
you, what was the "Value Add"?


> Frankly the main reason close source makes money is it keeps it 
source
> close.

Thats fine, its like "tumhe angoor khane se matlab hai, ya ped ginn ne 
se"
A customer needs to only eat those "angoors" :)


> I work on a product and see guys working around it. Software quality 
is
> horrible 
> at times and only reason nobody kicks them because it doesn't break.

Probably you are working with the wrong type of guys.
The guys I work with turn out excellent products all the time.


> Close source make money is economics. Not software engineering.

In a company, all efforts should be towards generating some returns,
be it through Software Engineering or adherence to the rules of 
economics.


> And about your other posts and you touting mac.

I wasn't touting the Mac, I was just trying to open your eyes to 
another world,
a better one...

> OK you like mac, you use it. I like linux I use it.I wish I could 
afford a
> good mac. But I can't. 

I in no way meant to bring up the topic about who can afford what, nor 
was I trying to flaunt what I have.
As before, I just want you to have a broader perspective, and 
encourage you to research things in depth before you discuss them.

> But I find it particualrly silly to claim that computer has to work
> according to users need. That's just a dumb machine. It's you the 
user
> who make it work actually.. not some user friendly software.

Ha ha, thats funny, "I having to make a machine work"...
You make it sound like having to drive a bullock cart, where the 
bullocks have to be made to work.
Unlike a motor car, where it does most of the work for you and gives 
you an easy to use inteface to its controls.

Which do you think is more pleasureable?

> You know what you want and I know what I want. Better we stop the 
thread
> here. 
> I am not going to convert..

I am not "trying" to convert you...
I just want you to get enlightened ;-)

~Mayuresh


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