At 10:33 AM 28-08-02 +0530, Anoop Johnson wrote:

>* Gnus is a mail agent as well as news reader. So if you prefer to use the
>   same program for reading news as well as mail, you may want to use Gnus.

Mutt comes with several sets of patches which let you read and post news 
(but you need innd and pnews - or at least a leafnode - installed on your 
machine as well, with several of these patches, and can't use an external 
NNTP server).

>* Because Gnus is just an extension to Emacs, you can use all of Emacs's
>   features, including macros, incremental searching, and all the editing
>   commands etc in Gnus also.

vi (and vim) do a lot of that as well.  And all the standard unix toolchain 
is easily accessible via vim, anyway.

>* An integrated database with information about people (BBDB). Mutt doesn't
>   have an integrated address book, IIRC. (Nowadays I hear about something
>   called LBDB for Mutt.)

That's been around for a few years now.

>* Support for more mail backends: Maildir, mbox, BABYL... You name it, you
>   have it. AFAIK, Mutt supports only mbox. (Correct me if I'm wrong
>   here...)

Mutt supports all these except babyl - which is emacs rmail specific, and a 
rather ugly looking format anyway...

>* More funky citations with Supercite etc.

s/funky/ugly/ - and supercite is reasonably easy to emulate with 
mutt.  RTFM the quote_regexp variable in your .muttrc (that may or may not 
be present in the antique mutt 0.9.x you use on cyberspace.org... switching 
to the latest and greatest version will definitely help you).  Heck, 
quote_regexp is pretty old, should be supported even in that old dinosaur.

set quote_regexp="^ *[a-zA-Z]*[]>|}()%:=-][]>|}():=-]*"

or

set quote_regexp="^([A-Za-z ]+>|[]%>:|}-][]>:|}-]*)"

should fit the bill.

>* Multipart/HTML mails may be displayed inline in Gnus. (Unlike Mutt where
>   you have to call a browser like Lynx to read HTML mails).

Bah.  You render it inline in w3m quite trivially, with a .mailcap 
file.  w3m in fact does a far neater job than emacs w3 when it comes to 
rendering tables.  See what happens when you use message mode and/or 
supercite mode and reply to a long nested, top posted thread that's passed 
through a few dozen MS Outlook clients of varying vintage.

In your muttrc -

auto_view text/html

In your /etc/mailcap or ~/.mailcap -

text/html; /usr/bin/w3m -dump -T text/html '%s'; copiousoutput; 
description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html


>* Full GUI support under X.

Tried mutt in an Eterm?

>* Better looks. ;-)

Not really.

>* A far better name. ;-)

I like dogs, you know... Gnus are fat beasts with huge ugly beards, and 
they stink (try going near one in a zoo - I did, just a few weeks back).

>All these, without losing *any* of the power of Mutt. If you want, you can
>edit even the message-id. ;-)

Mutt doesn't stop you from inserting your own message-id

RTFM edit_headers

>Also there are plenty of features like scoring etc which are present in
>Mutt as well.

Yeah.  Mutt does scoring quite well indeed.  And flagging of messages 
etc.  Its regexp language is also quite powerful and easy to understand ...

>* Speed. Because Gnus is written in Elisp, it may be *slightly* slower than
>   Mutt. But the difference is not much noticeable.

Have fun running emacs + gnus on a huge maildir, over a ssh connection on a 
slow pipe ... I much prefer to use mutt, or even mailx, in such a situation.

         --srs

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[Perl] combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion
different sublanguages in one monolithic executable.  It combines
the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski



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