Linux-Misc Digest #489, Volume #18 Wed, 6 Jan 99 06:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: E-mail client recommendations (Matthew Malthouse)
tar an long filenames (Christian Fuchs)
Newbie asks: why Linux? (dave dufeau)
LILO: NTLDR not found... Tough problem!! (Chetan Ahuja)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD ("Richard Wood")
Re: New Hard Drive (Codifex Maximus)
Re: man pages and Texinfo (Gary Momarison)
Re: User Config in RH 5.2 Control Panel (Andy Johnson)
Re: 2038 and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Win95 long filenames (Andy Johnson)
Re: coda (Frank Sweetser)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? ("Mosl Roland")
ANNOUNCE: DosLinux - Loop + Umsdos (root)
Install problem - Redhat Linux on Maxtor HD ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: LILO: NTLDR not found... Tough problem!! (Rod Roark)
Re: Infringement of the GPL (Michael Powe)
Re: NOSPAM in addresses.. (Michael Powe)
Cold Fusion ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Malthouse)
Subject: Re: E-mail client recommendations
Date: 6 Jan 1999 07:49:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 24 Dec 1998 12:18:32 +0800 Steve Lamb wrote:
} On 23 Dec 1998 21:54:22 GMT, brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
}
} >Threading is damned useful.
}
} In news I'll agree wholeheartedly. In mail, however, where the
} likelihood of people having messages to actually thread, that is a different
} story. At least in news I can retrieve the previous posts from the server
} if I feel like it. Hard to do that with email once things are deleted.
Where it is truely useful in mail is reading mailing lists, especially
if, like me, one only downloads them every few days. There threading
will allow one to follow a discussion rather than hop between mails
sorted only on their age.
Matthew
--
And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode.
http://www.calmeilles.demon.co.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Fuchs)
Subject: tar an long filenames
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:00:35 +0100
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Hello,
unfortunately my tar program doesn't restore filenames longer than 100
characters. They seem to be on the tape and I think it worked with a
former Linux version. Does anybody know this problem.
Thanks
Christian Fuchs
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From: dave dufeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Newbie asks: why Linux?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:42:36 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am a Linux neophyte who is questioning whether this is the OS for
me. Perhaps some of you could put my mind at ease as to whether or not
Linux is an OS for programmers only.
I do a good deal of image processing for my thesis work (see URL
below), but virtually no programming. I have to admit that the intial
appeal for me was ideals held forth by the OpenSource movement (the hope
that this attitude would foster greater software development innovation
than the commercial market could) and the legendary stability of the
Linux OS... Oh, and also the prospect of being able to laugh in the face
of the Microslop corporate monster.
I even went as far as to purchase the Redhat 5.2 distribution on
Linux. The X-windows environment seemed appealing enough to one willing
to learn only the least neccessary of the Unix commands. My question
is, should an end user such as myself, more in tune to image processing
than to programming even bother with Linux. Quite frankly, everything I
have read regarding installation, configuration, and (shudder)
compiliation leaves me a bit apprehensive. I want a stable working
environment, with portability and network accessability, but I don't
want to become a programmer to achieve this. Please help me before I do
something foolish and install an OS I don't understand... and please
keep the FUD to a minimum, after all, I am a newbie!
____________________________________________________________
____________________________________________________________
David L. Dufeau
Digital Morphology Group
Vertebrate Paleontology Laboratory
J.J. Pickle Research Campus
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712
http://www.ctlab.geo.utexas.edu/dmg/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chetan Ahuja)
Subject: LILO: NTLDR not found... Tough problem!!
Date: 6 Jan 1999 08:42:30 GMT
Hi,
I have a pretty serious LILO problem which I have been trying to solve
for well over two days now. The situation is this. I have two IDE disks
in the computer. Disk 1, (/dev/hda) containing Linux is master on te Primary IDE
channel and Disk 2, containing NT server 4.0 is Master on the secondary
IDE channel (/dev/hdc). The linux disk is a 10.1 GB disk and the NT disk
is an 8.3 GB disk. On account of the 8.4 gig problem, I had to play around
a lot to get LILO to work initially. ( Had to create a smaller boot
partition on hda etc...) In all of this playing around, I installed
and uninstalled LILO once from the NT disks boot sector. After the
uninstall of LILO from the NT disk, I had to use the NT emergency disk
to repair its boot sector to be able to boot into NT at all... now the
problem is this:
I get the LILO prompt and on pressing TAB key, get the NT and linux
choices ( linux is the default ) But if I choose NT, I get a
massege like ( paraphrasing)
"NTLDR not found, insert another disk"
Now the reference to NTLDR makes be believe that the NT loading process
has taken over from LILO.. .but it gets stuck somewhere... And normally
one would assume that there is something wrong with the boot sector and
try to repair it.. but here's the catch- if I remove the Linux disk from
the IDE port altogether and instead make the NT disk the first disk on
the primary channel... NT loads without any problems... I even tried
to run the NT repair program again ( with NT disk as the only disk in the
system) but things did not change...
Has anybody seen this problem.. if yes please please respond with any
suggestions you might have... Have I done irrepairable damage to the
NT disk... Unfortuanely I have so much data and applications on the
NT disk that I would be very very reluctant to reinstall NT...
is there anything I can do short of that...
For your reference, I am attaching my lilo.conf file....
lilo.conf file follows:
#######################
ignore-table
boot=/dev/hda
map=/map
install=/boot.b
prompt
timeout=50
image=/vmlinuz-2.0.36-0.7
label=linux
root=/dev/hda2
read-only
other=/dev/hdc
label=NT
## note: I have also tried /dev/hdc1 (instead of /dev/hdc )but doing that hangs
the LILO even earlier in the booting process...)
--
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From: "Richard Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 6 Jan 1999 08:40:01 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> `ifconfig' will tell you the IP address on each of your interfaces,
> while `host' will tell you the all IP addresses that your hostname
> maps to in the DNS, which isn't the same thing and isn't really the
> right thing.
>
> So `host' is not even as good as ifconfig, never mind better.
'cat /proc/net/devices' (or is it 'cat /proc/net/raw_something_or_other',
sorry I am work with no access to a Linux system...?)
That gives you the IP addresses of all machine interfaces. Not as nice a
layout, but it works.
--
Cheers,
Richard Wood
From: address anti spammed, please use:- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Cinema questions? See my Home Cinema FAQ : http://www.therock.force9.co.uk
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From: Codifex Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Hard Drive
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 15:03:49 -0600
Jeff Grossman wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just purchased Red Hat Linux 5.2 and wanted to install it on a
> computer that has a new hard drive. There was an existing 1.2 Gig
> drive and I just purchased a new 10.0 Gig drive. I am running this on
> an older Pentium 133 and it does not fully recognize the 10 Gig
> without software. When I went to install Linux, it only recognized 2
> Gigs of the 10 Gig drive. How can I resolve this? Should I return
> the drive and purchase one that is smaller than 8.4 Gigs? Isn't that
> the limitation?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
> ---
> Jeff Grossman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Oftentimes, a machine's ability to use hardware is dependent on the
motherboard's BIOS. You may need to either upgrade the BIOS (kinda silly)
or just purchase yourself a nicer and more current motherboard (wise
choice). Most Socket7 Motherboards will accept your current processor or
you may opt to upgrade there too.
Another possibility. Check your BIOS and see if you can set the
HardDrive's recognition from CylHdSec to the other mode - what was it
called?
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My opinions are mine alone - though others may borrow...
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: man pages and Texinfo
Date: 05 Jan 1999 13:10:11 -0800
"Bruce H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> With RH 5.2, man chmod gives me the man page okay, but it says the
> "documentation is no longer being maintained... The Texinfo
> documentation is now the authoritative source"
>
> Obviosly Texinfo is Tex, but where do I find it? I've noticed several
> man pages with this disclaimer.
Well, the GNU leadership (Dr. Stallman?) decided it would be better
to write and maintain the GNU documentation in one reasonably well
structured format and translate it into the various forms that
work for different needs (Emacs users being the most important).
They made a tool "info" that works for those foolish enough to
not learn basic Emacs. And, apparently, nobody has written something
to create a man page from the raw source.
What's really maddening is when you use the "info" program and IT
just displays a regular man page with te same statement you quoted.
The info scheme is not real bad if you learn it, but it's being
replaced by better schemes from GNOME and KDE, we hope. They'll
never be as easy to use as a simple man page, I'm guessing.
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:45:41 -0500
From: Andy Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: User Config in RH 5.2 Control Panel
RH5.0 was the last version to include usercfg. It was replaced in RH5.1 by
linuxconf.
Bill Voight wrote:
> usercfg &
>
> BV
>
> Graham Daniell wrote:
>
> > I have installed Red Hat linux 5.2 , and when I start X as root, I get
> > the Control Panel, but it has no User Configurator icon. In the RH
> > Linux 5.0 Version it was there. What am I doing to cause it not to
> > install, and can I install it manually after the initial system
> > install? If so how?
> >
> > Hoping someone can help,
> > Graham Daniell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2038 and Linux
Date: 6 Jan 1999 10:48:45 +0100
Villy Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can you even make an OS for alpha that is not 64bit. In other words:
> anything running on alpha is 64bit; you don't have a choice.
Yes you can: Windows NT :-)
--
Alain Borel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:49:33 -0500
From: Andy Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win95 long filenames
1) boot Linux on your PC
2) mount your Win95 partition as type vfat (e.g. mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/dos
where hda1 is Win95 partition and /mnt/dos is the mount point)
3) backup /mnt/dos to tape
Philip Le Riche wrote:
> I understand the DOS file system can support long file names, but using
> a different scheme from win95. I'd really like to use linux to backup my
> win95 partition to exabyte tape (my drive not supported by ezscsi) but
> without lfn support it wouldn't be very useful.
>
> Is anyone working on it? I can't think it'd be very hard once you got
> hold of the technical details.
>
> - Philip
> --
> =============================================================================
> Philip Le Riche Voice: +44 1442 884390
> (Malgre son nom, ce brave homme Fax: +44 1442 884854
> ne parle pas Francais) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: coda
Date: 05 Jan 1999 19:49:19 -0500
"Walter L. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Greetings
>
> I have been hearing about the new 2.2 kernel having a new file system
> called "coda" does this mean the "ext2" is on it's way out.
no. coda is a very advanced network file system. see
http://coda.cs.cmu.edu/ for more details.
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.0pre3 i586 | at public servers
*** The previous line contains the naughty word "$&".\n
if /(ibm|apple|awk)/; # :-)
-- Larry Wall in the perl man page
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From: "Mosl Roland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:55:24 +0100
Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) writes:
>please keep the attributions straight. my point of view is that if
>microsoft wins vs the DOJ, it may hamper the commercial success of linux,
>but that the biggest damage it will do the core linux (and various other
>free software packages) is force everyone to deal with all of the flamewars
>and threads about how linux/gnu/*BSD is going to die now that microsoft
>won...
Do You think the judge from DOJ will fix all the bugs from Windows?
M$ can win, because they can proof, that their is competion,
showing how their NT sales are influenced by Linux.
Mosl Roland
http://pege.org/ clear targets for a confused civilization
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: ANNOUNCE: DosLinux - Loop + Umsdos
Date: 6 Jan 1999 10:52:49 GMT
=========================================================================
DosLinux is a relatively small distribution of the linux operating
system.
This is not a umsdos version of linux, it's a loop version that
uses the standard linux ext2 filesystem.
You have the option of creating a UMSDOS and or a LOOP version of
DosLinux, you can have both they won't interfere with each other.
It can be installed on an existing dos system i.e. msdos, pcdos,
drdos, and win95/98 in dos mode.
There's no need to create a partition or repartition to install
doslinux, because it will just occupy a file i.e.
C:\doslinux\system\doslinux.img on your existing dos system.
Read DosLinux.README for further info at the site below.
You'll need about 40 megabytes of free space on your dos system
to unpack doslinux.
DosLinux doesn't include X windows or the gcc compiler, but these
are easy to install on doslinux, just read /usr/doc/guides/
install.X.guide and gcc-doslinux after you install doslinux.
DosLinux has support for IDE, SCSI, & PS/2 hard drives, Ethernet cards,
IDE & SCSI cdrom drives, Tcp/ip networking i.e. SLIP/PPP, Floppy drives,
Serial & Non serial mice, Parallel printers, PNP support, PCMCIA support,
etc.
If you're not sure if DosLinux will boot on your system get 'setup.exe'
and 'zimage.exe', try to boot the small loop linux system, if it boots
then get doslnx74.exe.
If you can't boot the small loop linux system there's no point getting
doslnx74.exe.
You need 'setup.exe' anyway to setup DosLinux, you don't have to get it
again any future versions of DosLinux will use the same 'setup.exe'.
Read HowTo.Install.DosLinux at the site below.
The DosLinux kernel is version: 2.1.132
DosLinux is a 100% libc6 system.
You need at least a 386 CPU and 8MB of RAM = Memory to use DosLinux.
========================================================================
Begin3
Title: DosLinux
Version: 74
Entered-date: 03JAN99
Description: A small linux libc6 system that can be droped into an
existing dos system, i.e. msdos, pcdos, drdos, etc.
& win95/98 in dos mode.
About 28 mbytes uncompressed, 13 mbytes compressed.
Contents: doslnx74.exe 9712Kb or 9944908b
setup.exe 1332Kb or 1363863b
zimage.exe 876Kb or 896545b <SCSI & IDE kernel>
modules directory.
packages directory.
Keywords: HowTo.Install.DosLinux & DosLinux.README
Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kent Robotti)
Primary-site: http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/index.html
ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/doslinux
Alternate-site:
Platforms: Dos/Win95/98
Copying-policy: GPL
End
=========================================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Install problem - Redhat Linux on Maxtor HD
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:52:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am trying to install Redhat Linux 5.2 for the first time on my box. I have
two Maxtor HD. One is 1.6GB and the second is 7.0GB EIDE. Due to the
limitation in the BIOS. I am able to use only 2GB of the 7.0GB. When, I
tried to install Redhat Linux, the machine hangs after this following
section:
hdb: hdb: dma_intr: Status =0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
hdb: dma_intr error=0x04 { DriveStatus Error }
It goes through fine for the 1.6GB (hda)
Model of 7.0GB : Maxtor EIDE 90720D5 (Ultra DMA Mode 2)
Any suggestions?
Regards
Magesh.
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO: NTLDR not found... Tough problem!!
Date: 6 Jan 1999 10:55:52 GMT
Chetan Ahuja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>... but here's the catch- if I remove the Linux disk from
>the IDE port altogether and instead make the NT disk the first disk on
>the primary channel... NT loads without any problems... I even tried
>to run the NT repair program again ( with NT disk as the only disk in the
>system) but things did not change...
I don't think NT understands the concept of booting from any but the
first hard drive, so you'll probably have to leave the NT disk as
hda (if anyone knows differently, please advise!).
See http://metalab.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/mini/Linux+NT-Loader.html for
info about booting Linux from NT's boot menu.
-- Rod
======================================================================
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
Date: 06 Jan 1999 01:48:53 -0800
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>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Bill> do. The question is whether or not if someone issued
Bill> something which contained published by someone else under
Bill> the GPL allowed a third party (or even a the original owner)
Bill> to therefor release the non-GPL part of the code becuase of
Bill> the statement in the GPL license. Ie, can the GPL license
Bill> automatically transform anything using GPL code into GPL
Bill> code? A is GPL code owned by party x. B is code written by
Bill> party y.
Bill> party y releases A+B as proprietary code. Does this allow z
Bill> (or x) to then copy and distribute A+B simply because the
Bill> GPL says that any code incorporating GPL code must also be
Bill> GPL? This is the question we have been discussing.
Bill> Clearly A is and remains under the GPL. However can simply
Bill> the use of A take away the right of y to do with B what he
Bill> wants, including restricting copying?
- From the GPL:
===============
Section 2:
b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
parties under the terms of this License.
These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If
identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program,
and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in
themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those
sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you
distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based
on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of
this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the
entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote
it.
============
Now, what part of that do you not understand?
mp
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#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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- --
Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: NOSPAM in addresses..
Date: 06 Jan 1999 01:12:23 -0800
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>>>>> "Zoltan" == Zoltan Kocsi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Zoltan> Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> themselves -- they push the problem off on someone else. It's
>> particularly pathetic in linux newsgroups, since everyone
>> running linux has the ability to filter spam with procmail.
Zoltan> Yup, immediatelly after you downloaded it. Connection time
Zoltan> costs money, you know. Spam also wastes disk space at the
Zoltan> ISP, bandwidth, resources on my machines, it wastes my
Zoltan> time and so on, I do not like downloading 1M junk with
Zoltan> Windows binaries to read 20K mail. I don't have a 24/7
Zoltan> 10M link for flat monthly fee yet so I - pathetic or not -
Zoltan> do not like huge messages which I pay for before
Zoltan> discarding them unread.
I have never received a single binary "junk mail" file. Ever. I've
been on the 'net for five years. You'll excuse me if I'm somewhat
dubious about your claim that they're a constant problem. Of course,
you should use a responsible ISP that filters mail and you should do
what you can to help them do it. All the means are available to you
to take care of your own problem. It's your choice not to use them.
That decision has nothing to do with the spammers.
My opinion remains unchanged. These activities do nothing to reduce
the spam levels nor to end the activities of spammers. I look forward
to the day that news servers are configured to require a correct
return address, just as mail servers now are.
Zoltan> Please do not press Reply. As you may have guessed, the
Zoltan> From: address is invalid, real address is in the sig ...
Don't worry. I don't reply to munged addresses.
mp
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while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cold Fusion
Date: 6 Jan 1999 10:12:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi All,
I work at an ISP that is considering fielding a Cold Fusion server - to be more
specific our webmaster is wanting me to field one.
At any rate we prefer doing such things on Intel gear - unfortunately it
appears that Cold Fusion is only available for Solaris-on-Sparc, or NT-on-Wintel.
After looking through the FAQ that Allare has on their website I was interested
to see that they have a very explicit NO to the question of "when will Cold
Fusion be released for Linux" This tells me that they must have gotten a lot
of queries about it - and that they consider it a nuisance question.
Maybe I'm throwing a match to gas here but I have to ask - are the CF
developers a bunch of assholes or what? Is the published statement a FUD
intended to get me to waste a bunch of money on a version I don't want
while behind the scenes they are hustling out a Linux version, or is it that
the CF Unix people are violently anti Unix-on-Intel and won't release a version
over their dead bodies?
I most definitely don't want to go down the Wintel road - I prefer to not have to
drive 20 miles to the office at 2:00am to reboot the NT server when it goes down,
I'd rather Telnet into it and restart things. However, not being a web designer
myself nor having the slightest interest in it I have to ask is this CF stuff really
that valuable that Allare thinks that they can just release it on whatever platform
they feel like, and screw you if you think differently?
I find it hard to believe that the vast majority of professional ISP's out there
(discounting the giant ones like AOL, etc.) would want to field an NT server if
they could help it, and I also find it hard to believe that Solaris on Sparc is far
more dominant a platform among most medium-level ISP's than Linux-on-Intel.
I feel something is not right here but not having a history of web development
I don't think I know what it is. With the major database vendors releasing or
planning on releasing Linux code I can't believe that CF's problem has to do
with the lack of a database.
Anyone that can shed some light on this please tell me.
Thanks,
Ted
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