Linux-Misc Digest #568, Volume #18 Mon, 11 Jan 99 12:13:09 EST
Contents:
I need HELP with monitoring utilitites for Linux (sweller)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Gergo Barany)
Re: Re: things I'd pay to have developed for Linux... (Peter Samuelson)
Re: Linux 1.2.13 Y2K problems (was Re: - Help is Linux Y2K Complient ??)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ScanPort SQ-1030 scanner and Linux? (Andreas Mohr)
Re: The goal of Open Source (Victor Danilchenko)
Re: Shared libraries and ld.so - Upgrade? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: listing all processes with "ps" (Andre Bossard)
Re: suid root (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Logging in terminals automatically (Duncan Simpson)
Re: Apache 1.3.3 - multiple cgi-bin/ dir's without ScriptAlias? ("Perus")
Re: Netscape, and garbage in text entry areas. (Brian Moore)
Installing Linux on a secondary UIDE disk (Kaustav Bhattacharya)
Cutting and Pasting in X windows ("Paul Davies")
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Larry)
Re: linuxberg: wow (Jason Costomiris)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Re: INFO: compatibility between win95 & linux (Andreas Mohr)
Re: linuxberg: wow (David M. Cook)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: sweller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I need HELP with monitoring utilitites for Linux
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:25:59 +0100
Hi,
Anyone out there who knows of any monitoring utilitites for Linux - I'm
desperate to start
monitoring a large set of Linux print servers my company currently has
working all over Europe.
Thanks,
Simon Weller,
UNIX sysadmin,
Cisco Systems,
Amsterdam.
------------------------------
From: Gergo Barany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:16:30 +0100
> 2)turn the power switch off without fucking the system
You're right, turning it OFF will do no harm in DOS. Turning it ON and
booting DOS is what fucks it up.
Gergo
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Samuelson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Re: things I'd pay to have developed for Linux...
Date: 11 Jan 1999 07:27:34 -0600
Reply-To: Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> >LVM.
> Sorry my ignorance - but what's that?
Short for Logical Volume Manager. A concept apparently pioneered by
Veritas and picked up by the major commercial Unices (specifically I
know of AIX, Solaris, DU, HP-UX, and IRIX) and being developed for
Linux. Defines a different way to allocate, access and manage file
storage volumes on disks. Key features (I refer to the AIX
implementation here, about which I know the most):
- A volume group, which acts as a sort of meta-partition, if you
will, can comprise multiple physical disks. These can also provide
redundancy not unlike RAID mirroring, as well as plain striping.
The sysadmin can add disks to an LV at will, and take them away.
- Inside a VG you have logical volumes, which are allocated from the
VG like files in a filesystem. Like files, these can be resized,
moved, copied, renamed, etc. They can also be mirrored. Each LV is
a block device.
- On an LV you mkfs a filesystem. Since the LV is a block device this
works just like traditional partitions/slices, except that LV's are
so much easier to manipulate.
- Some filesystems commonly in use with LVM's support resizing. AIX's
JFS, for example, lets you grow it without unmounting. This would
not be very useful with traditional disk partitions or slices, but
makes life much more fun for the sysadmin when the filesystem is on
a (resizable) LV. Wish /home were 80 megs bigger? No problem: have
the system allocate 20 more 4-meg "blocks" for /home's LV, assuming
the VG has that many available. If not, first add another disk to
the VG....
And one more feature that can save a lot of headaches in some
circumstances:
- Disks are recognized not by SCSI ID's or whatever but by a VG
signature. LV's contain a certain amount of metadata as well, so
/etc/fstab is not really needed to figure out what partitions mean
what.
Anyway as I said, an LVM is being developed for Linux. Current release
is 0.4 and is available at ftp.msede.com:/pub/linux/lvm/ . It was
released back at kernel version 2.1.103 or so; don't know how much has
changed since then that would involve the kernel patch portion.
--
Peter Samuelson
<sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux 1.2.13 Y2K problems (was Re: - Help is Linux Y2K Complient ??)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:53:53 GMT
In article <7767kq$gii$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam E. Trenholme) wrote:
> Sounds like DOS is handling Y2k dates differently. What happens when you
> set your CMOS clock to a post-2000 date using the 'clock' command in
> Linux?
I'll try it and see if that solves the problem; I was just using 'date' and
didn't realise that that didn't change the hardware clock.
Anon
============= Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ============
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Mohr)
Subject: Re: ScanPort SQ-1030 scanner and Linux?
Date: 11 Jan 1999 13:41:02 GMT
Van Snyder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I was given a ScanPort SQ-1030 scanner (parallel port). It comes with
> WinDoze software. Their tech support line is always busy, so I can't
> get through to ask if they have Linux support. I looked at
> http://www.vividata.com/scanshop.html, places linked from the SANE
> page (http://www.mostang.com/sane/) and DejaNews, and didn't find
> anything.
> Do you know of any software to support ScanPort scanners, in particular
> ScanPort SQ-1030?
You might want to try the Windows emulator Wine, www.winehq.com.
But be warned that it might not work, as the scanner might use VxDs.
Problems --> comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine
--
Andreas Mohr
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:19:39 -0500
From: Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
"Keith G. Murphy" wrote:
>
> Victor Danilchenko wrote:
> >
> >
> > OK, here goes.
> > Suppose you have a society consisting of two groups of individuals:
> > "doves" and "hawks". Hawks, when encountering another individual, always
> > attack; doves, when attacked, always retreat. When a dove encounters
> > another dove, they posture until one of them gets bored or decides it is
> > no longer worth his time; the dove who persevered is considered a
> > winner.
> > Now let us assign values to different outcomes.
<snip>
> > Now compare this NATURAL mean utility (6.25) with one a society of all
> > doves can achieve (15). The latter is obviously much more beneficial to
> > all, but has to be enforced somehow.
> > So, please drop your passionate anti-communist rhetorics, and simply
> > think about what I am trying to say -- that what FSF proposes is
> > something that would increase the society's overall utility (they are
> > essentially proposing a way to artificially decrease the # of "hawks" --
> > artificially, because any such altruistic decision is against our
> > genetic programming)
> >
> I know I'm getting in this really, really late, but --
>
> That's a nice analysis. But who *enforces* (your word) this admittedly
> unnatural state of affairs? Seems like we'd have to hire some hawks.
> And, hawks being hawks...
Yes, the enforcement of such a state can be a problem -- an admittedly
big one. One possible solution is to "fudge" the rules, teaching doves
to strike back when attacked -- introduce the "retaliator" class, which
behaves as dove with doves, and as hawk with hawks. However, this is a
different matter. All I was trying to do is show some possible
implications of the current "dog eat dog" situation, and to show why an
admittedly "unnatural" state of universal cooperation -- which FSF
advocates -- may be far more beneficial to the society as a whole (BTW,
one could argue that the entire OpenSource movement is exactly that --
an attempt to teach the people to respond in such a way as to make being
a hawk not beneficial, an attempt to turn doves into retaliators.)
> Hmmm, might be a replay of that 70-year experiment that was mentioned...
It was an experiment of a different nature. Certainly, large-scale
cooperation was never even attempted in USSR -- only bandied about. The
colhoses -- "collective estates" -- were never really collective and
voluntary...
--
| Victor A. Danilchenko CSCF support |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] A313, 5-4231 |
+--------------------------------------------+
| Quando omni flunkus, moritati. |
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Shared libraries and ld.so - Upgrade?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:27:48 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I notice that running ldconfig does not appear to look at libXpm.so, but only
> libXpm.so.4. Is there a reason for this? Is the libbXpm.so file unused?
The .so file under libc is only needed when linking code
------------------------------
From: Andre Bossard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: listing all processes with "ps"
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:20:08 +0000
> The main difference I've seen is that SCO's ps -e gives a list of every
> process running. I've only been able to get the user-initiated processes under Linux.
Hyo Aaron
Try 'ps x'
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: suid root
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:55:19 GMT
Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> chmod does what you're looking for. See "man chmod" , or any basic UN*X
>> instruction book.
>I know how to use chmod to an extent (eg chmod 744 file) but i cannot
>find a clear example on setting a file to suid to root.
Oops. Sorry. Try 'chmod u+s file' . Admittedly, the manpage isn't
very clear on that, though it mentions the '+' operator and the 's'
permissions. Or 'chmod 4744 file' (using your example above) .
>> This does not work that way, since the Linux shells will ignore the
>> SUID bit, unless the shell itself is setUID-aware. If you have to do
>> it that way (which is bad), use sperl . Otherwise, use "su" or "sudo"
>> instead .
>Thats k for myself (indeed thats what ive been doing), but i cannot give
>normal users root access.
That's why I prefer using 'sudo' . It only allows root permissions onto
commands that have to be manually defined on a per-user basis first.
The users then just have to give _their_ passwords to execute the defined
commands instead of giving them the root password...
Pretty easy to setup and maintain, IMHO .
Michael
--
Michael Buchenrieder * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.muc.de/~mibu
Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Duncan Simpson)
Subject: Re: Logging in terminals automatically
Date: 11 Jan 1999 15:06:34 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ross Vandegrift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Let's say that I want tty9 to login automatically and run "top s". I
>could make a "top" account that had "top s" as it's login. That's cool,
>but can I have init log it into tty9 every time I started up?
Learn about /etc/inittab and run the command to /dev/tty9 from
there. You probably want to think about an appropiate uid and possibly
write a minimal wrapper that sets the right user id and stuff like
that. (See inittab in section 7 of man).
Duncan (-:
------------------------------
From: "Perus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Apache 1.3.3 - multiple cgi-bin/ dir's without ScriptAlias?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:07:20 +0200
Yes, there is an easy way.
Open your access.conf on your apache/etc dir.
Use <Directory> tags to do it, like:
<Directory "/home/*/html/cgi-bin">
Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI
AllowOverride Limit Options FileInfo Authconfig
</Directory>
The ExecCGI is what you need, and the "*" in the directory path.
I actually haven't tried this myself but I think it could work. Try it :)
Jussi Saarivirta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Thanks for bothering with me on this one...I think it's rather simple
>but none of my attempts have worked.
>
>I am running Apache 1.3.3 on RedHat Linux 5.1 (Manhattan) with kernel
>2.0.35. I have successfully setup several user directories, and I
>want each to have its own /cgi-bin/. Do I put a dir called "cgi-bin"
>in the UserDir (for me it's /home/user/html) and put a ScriptAlias in
>srm.conf. My question is this: can I setup a "directory mask" such as
>/home/*/html/cgi-bin/ somewhere in the conf files for all user
>cgi-bin/ directories? I plan on having MANY users on this system and
>I do not want to overload my srm file with that many ScriptAlias
>lines. Any help is greatly appreciated!
>
>Chris
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Moore)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Netscape, and garbage in text entry areas.
Date: 11 Jan 1999 09:53:53 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <77b58t$la6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am running Netscape(4.05) on Linux Redhat 5.1 (4.05)
>In text entry areas, like the ones in the search entries on the Netwcape
>Search page , If I go back to try to edit those areas, a whole bunch of
>garbage gets entered onto the end of the entry if I try to backspace
>delete the letters of the entry. The only way out seems to be to kill
>Netscape and try again.
>Is this a known bug? Is there some way around it?
>
>( Mch64 driver on an ATI Rage Pro card, running Aotherlevel window
>manager.)
I have had the same problem, also with some version of
Netscape 4 and RH 5.1. I don't know how to fix it tho...
--
Brian G. Moore, School of Science, Penn State Erie--The Behrend College
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , (814)-898-6334
------------------------------
From: Kaustav Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing Linux on a secondary UIDE disk
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:49:54 +0000
Reply-To: k, dot, bhattacharya, at, bbc, dot, co, dot, uk
OK, so I just bought a 6Gb UIDE hard disk for my PC which is currently
chugging away happily with it's one and only 10Gb UIDE hard disk. I'm
going to plug the new disk in this evening. If I install RedHat5.2 on
the second disk, will the installation process need to
move/shrink/change/repartition my existing 10GB drive (which has Win98
on it)? Do I still need to have to initial 2048Kb boot block (I think
that's correct!) on the primary boot disk for Linux or can that now go
on my second disk? It would be really useful not to touch that Win98
10GB disk at all to be honest but I suspect that's not going to be
possible... I hear a million screaming at me "go read the bloody FAQ's!"
ok ok, I go do that now :) Have pitty, I'm a flippin Win98 dumbo jumping
headlong into Linux world :)
Kozzey
------------------------------
From: "Paul Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Cutting and Pasting in X windows
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:32:48 -0800
Hi
I'm using Redhat 5.2
How does one cut and paste text from one X window to another?
Thanks
Paul
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 11 Jan 1999 16:03:49 GMT
On 11 Jan 1999 03:09:09 GMT, Jeremy Crabtree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mayor Of R'lyeh allegedly wrote:
>>On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:46:16 +1300, Con / Tiki
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us all with this bit of
>>wisdom:
>>
>>>Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08 Jan 1999 01:57:01 +0100, David Kastrup
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us
>>>> all with this bit of wisdom:
>>>>
>>>> >"Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> The consumer has spoken, but will this affect Penfield Jackson�s
>>>> >> rulings? Of course not, a biased and angry Penfield will rule
>>>> >> against Microsoft on every count and impose the most severe penalty
>>>> >> he believes possible. But not to worry, there is a contingency plan
>>>> >> in place regardless the DOJ trial and appeals outcome. Long live
>>>> >> Microsoft.
>>>> >
>>>> >Well, in *our* country court cases are decided by the law, not by
>>>> >public votes, but of course, in the land that has made lynching
>>>> >popular the procedures might be different.
>>>>
>>>> Do I understand this right? A German citizen wants to name call based
>>>> on a countriy's past? A [******] GERMAN wants to go down that road?
>>>> Were you absent on the day they went over your country's history, in
>>>> say the 1940's? You might want to go look it up before you start this
>>>> kind of [****].
>>>
>>> Please don't put your foot in your mouth. The USA has done many things
>>>that were not very ....... too.
>>
>>The US has never committed genocide. Trying to compare anything
>>anything in US history to the Holocaust is just plain absurd.
>
>The American Indian...case closed.
Bullshit! You need to read up on your American history.
The poor mistreated savage was responsible for a number
of attrocities upon women and children. These were wars
where the Indian had a chance to fight back.
This crap about the poor mistreated red man is bunch of
bogus drivel promulgated by the usual history revisionists.
Did we take their land? Yep sure did. Was it genocide?
Nope sure wasn't. The indian was just as treacherous as
the white man, maybe even more so. The only difference
was that they were way out numbered and they really had no
war fighting experience of the type needed to win the type
of war the White man waged. IF these 2 factors were reversed
I guarantee you we would all be living in teepees today.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Costomiris)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: linuxberg: wow
Date: 11 Jan 1999 16:10:53 GMT
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:34:36 GMT, David M. Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: But what I want to know is who rated vile better than emacs.
Even more interesting would be to find out who decided that pico
was somehow better than vim. Pico was rated better than emacs as well.
Personally, I think emacs is the ultimate in overbloat, but if you like
it, go for it. At least you'll get lots of finger exercise, doing those
ctrl+meta+alt+left-shift key combos. :-)
I'm extremely happy to see Tucows doing this, and am impressed with the site,
but the ratings could use a bit of work.
--
Jason Costomiris <><
Technologist, cryptogeek, human.
jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:17:27 GMT
On 10 Jan 1999 22:57:54 -0500, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose
to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
>
>> On 10 Jan 1999 15:52:07 -0500, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose
>> to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>>
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
>> >> Windows is priced in line with other commercial OSs.
>> >
>> >redhat linux goes for $50 from the redhat people. that is a
>> >*commercial* (although not proprietary) OS.
>>
>> You're geting ripped off. My local Best Buys has it for $37.
>> The difference is that is has almost no developement costs. Its done
>> by volunteers. That's why I said it was silly to compare it to a
>> commercial OS. I guess I really meant a commercially developed OS.
>> Red Hat doesn't have anywhere near the investment in Linux that
>> Microsoft has in Windows.
>
>linux is a commercial operating system. businesses are selling it.
>people are buying it. that's what commerce is - the buying and
>selling of goods. it makes no difference whether you consider it a
>rip-off or not.
I didn't say that Linux is a ripoff. I said that if you're being
charged $50 for it you're being ripped off. Since its available at a
national chain for $13 less why pay $50 for it?
> redhat linux is still a commercial operating system.
>hence, it makes all the sense in the world to include it in your
>comparison.
I'll go along with that if you admit that it is a valid competitor for
Windows. Many of the Linux guys want to have it both ways. When
discussing price they want to claim that it is competition and want to
include it but when you cite it as competition for Windows they claim
that it doesn't count since it isn't a monolithic product from a
single company. All I'm looking for is some consistency.
>
>for all the investment microsoft has in windows, it is curious how
>poor the quality is in comparison to gnu/linux. sure windows has more
>applications written for it, but as far as operating systems go, they
>may be compared by rational people on their features.
This si the heart of the matter. Most people don't compare OSs. They
look to see what apps they want and find something to run it. You can
have the technically best operating system in the world but if it
doesn't have the software I want out for it I'm not going to use it.
> for all the
>money microsoft has invested, it is quite amusing that a hobbyist
>operating system would even be considered in the same breath.
Not really. I've seen how industrial products are designed-its just a
big mess. Someone who won't shutup can get his dream feature included
no matter how irrational it is. I imagine software at a large company
like Microsoft isn't much different. With Linux, everybody can stuff
whatever they want into it . Its easy to see how that would appeal to
the computer professional/enthusiast crowd.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Mohr)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.alpha,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.questions,alt.linux
Subject: Re: INFO: compatibility between win95 & linux
Date: 11 Jan 1999 13:38:03 GMT
Hassoun ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> hi
> do the win95 applications run on linux?
Yes, at least several of them.
--> www.winehq.com
And *PLEASE* don't crosspost like the devil !!!
Jeeeeez...
I even considered canceling my reply !
--
Andreas Mohr
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: linuxberg: wow
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:34:36 GMT
On 11 Jan 1999 11:41:44 GMT, Navindra Umanee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This TUCOWS site for Linux is pretty neat: http://www.linuxberg.com/
But what I want to know is who rated vile better than emacs.
What would be really nice would be something like amazon.com where users can
enter reviews and ratings.
But now I finally understand Tux's enigmatic smile.
Dave Cook
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Misc Digest
******************************
