Linux-Misc Digest #604, Volume #18 Wed, 13 Jan 99 20:13:08 EST
Contents:
50MB www.yourname.com US$22 or HK$98 ("Ko Man Kit")
HELP! WOrdperfect crashes on some accounts ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux and the Euro ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
How to install gtk+ and glib in Redhat 5.0 (boung ho Lee)
linux accounting package ("Ernesto J. Colon")
Re: 3C905B Ethernet board (Chris Welch)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Guy Yasko)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Soundblaster under Debian 2.0 (Joey Hess)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Ko Man Kit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: 50MB www.yourname.com US$22 or HK$98
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:22:59 +0800
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: HELP! WOrdperfect crashes on some accounts
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:21:31 GMT
Can anyone help me? I have Wordperfect 8 installed on my development machine.
I share it with another person. When I use it, it works fine, but when she
accesses it from her account, or I try and use it from root, it doesn't start
up, but core dumps.
Okay, there is a history involved here, but here are the machine specs:
233 AMD K6
128 MB RAM
8.4 GB HD
Kernel 2.0.36
KDE running with KDM
The machine is based on RH 5.1, but has been patched up by me to the latest
kernels.
All was running fine on all the accounts until a few weeks ago when the
following happened:
a) I tried to upgrade to KDE1.1pre1, which is meant to be stable but was
very shaky. b) I ran out of disk space. This wound up KDE so hadly I needed
to do a hard reboot. Several times, in fact as I kept running out of disk
space. c) The other user was using the machine at the times of the hard
reboots and she had a Wordperfect process running which kept returning, even
when the machine was rebooted and I was logged in. I killed the process.
The KDE environment has been extremely shaky, keeps crashing. In fact it
crashes so badly that Linux itself starts faulting (when KDE exits to run
level 3), with commandline commands (such as "find" or "ls") core dumping, su
not working, etc.
I reset the KDE environment back to 1.0 and it has solved most of the
problems, except that Wordperfect keeps core dumping in the root and other
user account, but fires up properly with my own account.
To the best of my knowledge nothing has changed to affect the logins, other
than the KDE environment detecting that KDE had changed and asking if we want
to reinstall the templates.
I think that there must be a wordperfect configuration file local to each
account that has become corrupted, but I can't find it. I suspect that these
problems might also be because I used the latest QT libraries (1.42) to
compile the KDE environment... am going to try with 1.41.
If anyone can shed any light on this, or offer any help I would greatly
appreciate it.
Thanks,
Brad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux and the Euro
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:24:59 GMT
Hi,
I am trying to put together a document on support how to add support for
the Euro with various operating systems. Could anyone tell me what
approach has been created for the Euro with Linux? Unless adding Euro
support on Linux is more than simply adding the right fonts, could
you tell me :
- where fonts with the Euro symbol can be found for Linux
- how the user would generate the symbol from their keyboard
Thanks
AJ
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From: boung ho Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to install gtk+ and glib in Redhat 5.0
Date: 14 Jan 1999 00:40:39 GMT
I got *.tar.gz files
How to install
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From: "Ernesto J. Colon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux accounting package
Date: 14 Jan 1999 00:34:44 GMT
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Does anybody know of a lighweight linux accounting package that I can
purchase? FreeMoney sounds like what I need but is not ready yet. Tried
to install acctonit but have not been able to yet.
Thanks,
Ernesto
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not been able to yet.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Ernesto<br><br></p>
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From: Chris Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3C905B Ethernet board
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:34:28 -0600
Ian Hay wrote:
>
> dumais wrote:
> >
> > Could anybody out there tell me if the subject board is
> >
> > supported by Linux. I am having trouble with RH5.1, Linux
> >
> > Kernel 2.0.34 recognizing this board. When I try to run
>
> Have you checked the RedHat hardware compatability list? If you find it
> (www.redhat.com) you'll find the following sentences:
>
> The following Ethernet adapters are supported at Tier 1.
> - 3Com 3c59x,3c900,3c905 NOT THE 3c905b
>
Wrong. I have a 3c905B. Works fine. Use the Vortex drivers.
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From: Guy Yasko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 13 Jan 1999 18:00:48 -0500
>> "B" == BKX wrote on Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:05:42 GMT:
B> As far as demand goes, demand comes from people being as stupid as
B> you are. If every one was as smart as I am (IQ == 153) they'd be
B> using Linux.
if you're so smart, why do you believe in reductive notions of
intelligence?
ciao baby,
g.y.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 13 Jan 1999 23:33:17 GMT
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst John Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
eloquently scribe:
:> DOS was written by somebody else
:>and Gates paid a measly $75k for it.
: I'm following this thread with interest.
: I'm curious..... what was the "idea" with
: developing DOS anyway??
There wasm't really any idea behind the original DOS.
It was some bloke who cobbled it together as an experiment, or as something
to just allow HIM to use his computer.
It was called QDOS (Quick and DIRTY OS) when billy bought it.
: I mean...... why couldn't have an operating system
: like Linux be developed a LONG time ago and used
: on the early PC's and DOS could have never
: existed??
Because Linus was too young and had only just started playing with computers
perhaps? (This was the very early eighties, remember)
: Was DOS the only way to get an OS on such machines
: back then??
No. Blame IBM for that blunder.
Other OSs such as CP/M were around at the time.
: I mean DOS is an OS that has been stripped of
: networking, multi-tasking, etc... right??
Did CP/M multitask?
: Bottom line..... why was DOS ever born anyway??
IBM make a massive cockup, that's why.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:03:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jay Copeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> nic wrote:
> >
> > Has any-one ever tried to buy a PC without windoze on it?
> > franzl
> >
>
> I build machines and I only put windows on them if that's what the end
> customer wants. The last machine I put together was a dual-boot
> win311/linux machine.
I build my own, out of my last four, I had Linux on three of them, but I had
Windows on one of those three first...does that count?(On my most recent, I
have a dualboot win95/Slack 3.5, both loaded at the same time).
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joey Hess)
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Subject: Re: Soundblaster under Debian 2.0
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:06:18 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ramesh Natarajan wrote:
| Iam able to play CD using workman. When I cat some .au to /dev/audio,
| (or when I try saytime) I get no sound. I get no error either. When I do
| rvplayer welcome.rm, I get some error like "Codec not
| installed/Compression not supported".
Install the rvplayer debian package. It will fix this.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:42:24 GMT
In article <77igfv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (BKX) wrote:
> What planet did you come from? I don't need Windows to run the latest
> softwore. All I need is Linux and a Linux-compatible modem. After
> that I download the latest software. Nothing you get for Windows is
> ever the latest. EVER. PERIOD.
You didn't read my post very closely did you? But since you ask, I am from
the planet bthaapllop ngurtz...
>
> As far as demand goes, demand comes from people being as stupid as you
> are. If every one was as smart as I am (IQ == 153) they'd be using
> Linux.
IQ has only a little to do with intelligence... common sense, experience and
a broad view of things have just as much to do with it, I've met many people
with IQs higher than mine who couldn't stop bragging, and yet when it came to
the real world, were lost because they just flat out had no common sense.
But when you DO get down to it, that's not a large margin of people between
my IQ and yours...in fact, there's 2 points there where I dunno what they
would use, but you seem to fall under the windows catagory. There's a saying
about sex that also applies to intelligence in this case...the people who
talk about it the most are the ones who get the least.
If you had read my post, you would have seen that I use Windows to play
games, in this case, games that require Direct X 5 or higher(from the last
that I heard about it, only DX 3 had been ported to windows, although that
may have changed). In order to use the latest software and take advantage of
the latest hardware, you need Windows. Linux developers aren't always privy
to the hardware specs of the latest technology, so it takes them a bit longer
than it takes MS and the Hardware companies that suck MS' dick exclusively to
develop software for them. So in order to use the latest games like my
personal favorites the Jedi Knight games, or other very recent
Lucasarts--Star Wars games, I must have Windows. Do you see Bill's influence
at this point?
Further, if you were so intelligent, or atleast had taken a Basic Economics
class, you would realize that Demand comes from people being sold on a
product through advertising(such as the Rolling Stones and feel-good scenes
of everyday people using computers), or other means(such as, making your
product the key to being able to use any and everyone else's products. I
haven't walked into too many Software stores and seen shelves and shelves of
Linux/Unix/OS/2 or whatever else software.), not necesarily from people being
stupid, so much as people being duped. Anyone who can dupe that many people
must be a genius. Genius doesn't HAVE to refer to IQ, it obviously doesn't in
your case.
> Gee, if I were Harvard, I'd change my name. DOS 3.2 was easy to
> configure because there was NOTHING to configure. The shit they sell
> now is sold solely because DOS 3.2 wasn't half-bad and people got
> hooked. But as far as being a genious, my IQ is still higher than
> Gates. Maybe I should be named KING OF THE WORLD.
IQ, as I pointed out before, has nothing to do with actual intelligence. You
didn't manage to steal or copy or manage your way to the top if the commercial
Software heap and make incredible amounts of money, Bill Gates did, AND he
managed to get away with it(so far anyway)
But you proved again that you didn't read my post, because if you'll notice
what I said near the bottom about Dos and Windows being dumbed down with each
succesive release, you would realize that you just repeated what I said.
> >
> >Now...Windows blows, we all know it(I have a split-partition so I can play
> >games, and not much else with Windows). Windows leads the market, we all
know
> >that too. Deal with it, Windows will only be 'king' as long as there is a
> >market for it, once people stop spending money on it, Windows will
> >crash(Well..Windows crashing is a given, but I mean in a Business Market.)
> >Windows can be stopped when people stop buying it.
> There is no market for Windows, everyone uses it because it's there.
> If a totally new were given the choice between an OS that crashes 5
> times an hour and one that doesn't, we all know what they'd choose.
There IS a Market for Windows, or Bill wouldn't be so damned rich. Bill
CREATED the Market for Windows. And we all know that what they'd choose
would be the one they were told to choose, because as I said down about two
paragraphs (and up a paragraph or two)was that most common people were sold
on Windows computers by Bill Gates, when they never needed computers to begin
with, they were basically told by Bill's ad staff that Everyone is doing it,
why aren't you, and we make it easier for you to do what you what! Where do
YOU want to go today? (I dunno about you, but GO usually implies to me that I
want to get UP from the computer, and leave the house to actually GET
somewhere).
> >
> >Linux However, cannot be stopped in normal business terms. Redhat? Yes.
> >SUSE? Yes. Other commercial versions? Yes. But Linux itself isn't
> >commercial, and cannot be crushed by an inferior commercial product, or a
> >company that relies 100% on the sale of its products to survive. So, how can
> >Microsoft possibly make Linux fight for survival?
> >
> Shows how much you know. Linux is as commercial as every other UNIX
> and you know it. Just because one lone company didn't create doesn't
> make it non-commercial and non-competitive.
I don't know about you, but I got my last FOUR copies of Linux for
free(admittedly, the first one, way back in 1994 didn't stay on my computer
for long, but that's because it was my parent's computer, and the HDD was
only an 80 meg HDD, so I couldn't play with it the way I wanted. And I
guess, having paid for the CDs for Slack 3.5, I paid for that one, but I only
paid like 15 bucks for four CDs, so that's not bad either), so either
somebody lost out on some serious money when I got my four copies of
Linux(Four copies of Windows is what, between 200 and 1600 dollars, depending
on the version and the box?), or as I said, Linux doesn't rely 100% on the
sale of its product like Microsoft does.
But by contradicting me here you're saying what, that Linux CAN be stopped by
MS? Just whose side are you on anyway?
> >
> >Linux cannot win out over all, though, and this is where MS comes in.(It's
> >either MS or Apple, folks..or maybe OS/2, but OS/2 takes a little bit of
> >thought and effort to install and use). MS shovels shit to the lowest common
> >denomonator. The Folks that sent their first E-mail through AOL, and think
> >they were soooo Cyberpunk, the folks that had trouble when their 'coffee cup
> >holder' couldn't support the weight of their coffee mug, or people who think
> >that a Virus is going to be GUI and announce itself before it hits them, or
> >the people who buy the latest and greatest and fastest computers, most
> >expensive so that their kids can do 'homework' using that great Grolier
> >Multimedia Encyclopedia, (which had what..maybe 1k of actual information per
> >topic, and millions of wasted k on grainy pictures and half-second sound
> >bites? God, I'm glad I didn't pay for that disk).
> >
> Wouldn't you much rather have an OS impervious to virii? BTW, you
> spelled disc wrong. (Grolier's comes on a CD not a floppy.)
As far as an OS impervious, that wasn't my point. Maybe if you'd read the
post, you'd have realized that I DO use Linux. As far as Disk/Disc...Who
cares? It's potato and potatoe..
> >Linux will never be popular among most computer users
> We have yet to see that, now, don't we?
Well, if you'd let me finish you would have seen that I said:
> >
> >because thanks to MS, 90% of computer users are people who should never have
> >been allowed to buy them in the first place. Thanks to Bill Gates' Business
> >Saavvy(SP?), he will always have a market with them by playing 'hey, we're
> >normal people doing this' and feelgood commercials set to Rolling Stones
> >music.
> >
Effectively that most computer users today shouldn't have ever been allowed to
buy computers in the first place.
> >
> >Start that paragraph over...Linux cannot win out as the premiere OS, because
> >it requires a bit of thought and effort to use it. Linux is where DOS was
> >before Windows 3.0 came out(Socially speaking, that is) it's still for the
> >'geeks'. It is beyond the Common User.
> That problem, too, is being solved. There are lots of distributions
> that are making themselves easier to configure. And for all of us
> intelligent people, there will still be Stampede and Debian.
Bully for people who want to make some money by doing that(or just want to be
helpful), more power to them. I will applaud anyone who switches to Linux,
but you're going to have a tough time teaching Joe-Average just what the
benefits are of Linux, when Windows looks so Pretty and plays all his
favorite songs as their Ad jingles.
> >
> >Let it stay there. Let Windows have their market...in reality, Linux doesn't
> >even begin to threaten it, because 90% of MS users would die if they couldn't
> >install and configure it with a mouse, and call a toll number and be put on
> >hold for several hours while the MS Tech support guy looks up the answer to a
> >yes-or-no question. If Linux ever did win out as the Common Man's OS, how
> >bad do you think it would have become? Each version of Windows was dumbed
> >down from the last, do you really want Linux to be dumbed down enough to beat
> >any version of MS Windows?
> Why should we let them keep the market? And as far getting bad like
> Windows, I think not. The people who make it would never let it get
> that bad in the first place. Just ask Linus.
So, what you're suggesting, is that we make the average computer user more
intelligent, right? 10 years ago, maybe, but not today. Windows and Linux
are on two different planes. Bill Gates created the Windows Market, let MS
keep it, Linux will strive and survive without any commercial market.
Windows cannot survive once its commercial market collapses.
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