Linux-Misc Digest #659, Volume #18 Sun, 17 Jan 99 14:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Is RH 5.2 good to you?
Re: Can one set up RAID with IDE drives?
Re: AutoPPP and pppd server (Josh Gentry)
unknown monitor specs (E)
Re: 2.2.0pre7 boot error that won't go away (Frank Hale)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Jim Frost)
Re: * and dot files (Randal L. Schwartz)
Re: Making .tar.gz Files Work (Frank Hale)
Does Linux support USB modems ? ("Y W Wong")
Does Linux support USB modems ? (Y W Wong)
Loadlin (Troy Davidson)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Alexander Viro)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Neal Magee)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Elwhagen)
Re: Telnet macro. Does it exist? (Ashok Aiyar)
Making .tar.gz Files Work ("Simon Gaukroger")
Screensaver capture ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
How to print a man page? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Netscape time zone setting? (Robert Lynch)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Is RH 5.2 good to you?
Date: 17 Jan 1999 15:36:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:00:50 +0100, Ulf Bohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I was just thinking I'd put a message here first before I upgrade from
>5.0 to 5.2.
You can look over comments other people have made by doing a Deja News
search (http://www.dejanews.com/). Deja News keeps a very large news
spool available in database format.
>Anyone had any difficulties after such an upgrade? What might start
>messing with you? Any cons of 5.2 compared to 5.0? Is it worth the
>effort?
There have been a lot of updates since 5.0. If you've kept your system
up to date manually, then there might not be all that much reason for
you to upgrade to 5.2. However, if you have a pretty much stock 5.0
system, you won't have the latest XFree86, kernel, gimp, dosemu, emacs,
netscape, etc. If you want to upgrade to the latest 2.2.0-pre kernel,
you'll have to upgrade a lot of packages if you're running a stock 5.0
system.
Besides the packages being updated, there's new functionality: linuxconf,
a system configuration program. It sets up DNS, routing, PPP, NFS, user
accounts, etc. Also, Red Hat 5.2 has better sound support. It was able
to automatically detect my ISA PNP soundcard and configure it.
As to difficulties upgrading, I haven't had any problems. You might want
to backup your system, just the same. Tape drives and SyQuest SparQ disks
(removable one gig harddrives) are both very cheap.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can one set up RAID with IDE drives?
Date: 17 Jan 1999 15:36:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:48:12, David S Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've got two 6Gb drives and would like to mirror them using RAID1. Does
>anyone know if there are IDE RAID controllers out there and if so who
>makes them? I am running RedHat5.2
You can use md (multiple disks) to do this in software. I've used it
before on two IDE hard drives, and it works well. md is supported in
all kernels since 1.3.x.
I don't know of any IDE RAID controllers that will work with Linux,
though. Your best bet would be to send an e-mail to the kernel IDE
maintainer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Josh Gentry)
Crossposted-To:
alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,alt.os.linux.dial-up,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.comp.linux.isp
Subject: Re: AutoPPP and pppd server
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 07:44:56 -0800
I don't guaruntee that you will find what you need, but you might look at
the document on dialin server
setup at http://www.swcp.com/~jgentry/dialin2.html
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From: E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux
Subject: unknown monitor specs
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:54:24 -0800
I have an old 486 computer with monitor. i no longer have the manual
for the monitor. all i know is that it is a VGA/SVGA monitor. (not
even sure about SVGA part). i believe the model is a Sceptre CM6. are
there some safe values i can use when i configure X for the monitor?
thanks for any help.
E
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From: Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.2.0pre7 boot error that won't go away
Date: 17 Jan 1999 01:01:48 GMT
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > >
> > > no, i do not know why it won't find your System.map. i put my
> > > system.map in /boot along with the kernel (i'm running linux220p7
> > > too). i don't seem to get that error.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!
> >
Problem was I downloaded the sysklogd package from rawhide.redhat.com
and it was not the right version. The newest version is 1.3.28 and its
at contrib.redhat.com. That was the problem and I thought rawhide was
supposed to be the latest and greatest.
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From: Frank Hale
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 7205161
Homepage: http://members.xoom.com/frankhale/
Jade: http://jade.netpedia.net/
"Excuse my english I went to a US public school"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 17 Jan 1999 15:08:26 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>>
>>I was running Windows NT 4.0 Workstation for a few days on a 586 w/32 MB
>>RAM, left it on over the weekend (just running the screen saver), came
>>in on Monday morning, and found a message box saying something to the
>>effect of: "Out of virtual memory- close some applications" or some such
>>nonsense.
>
>
>So, let analyse this a little more shall we?
>
>You leave a machine ALONE and for a WHOLE weekend, and it was running
>a PROGRAM all this TIME, and you complain after all this it ran out
>of virtual memory?????
I see no reason that a reasonable OS should not be able to do exactly
that. Linux does.
>do you know that the program you left running all this time could have been
>consuming memory due to a memory leakage, and this resulted in what you saw??
A memory leak in the OS (and it is a fact that NT leaks) is a *serious*
problem.
>at least NT did manage to report the exact error it detected with a nice
>GUI based message on the screen instead of some arcane core dump file
>somewhere it wrote on the disk like Unix system do.
>
>Not only that, you ONLY had 32 MB of RAM !!!!!!!
>
>man, get yourself more RAM !!! I have 128 of RAM, and I still get insufficient
>memory error when I run few apps at the same time, and I am also using
>NT. Do you expect NT to run with no memory??? memory is like gas, and the
>OS is like a car. the longer the OS runs, the less gas will result, and the
>more gas you need.
A clear example of why NT is a dog.
Floyd
--
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 17 Jan 1999 06:45:54 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>
>I was running Windows NT 4.0 Workstation for a few days on a 586 w/32 MB
>RAM, left it on over the weekend (just running the screen saver), came
>in on Monday morning, and found a message box saying something to the
>effect of: "Out of virtual memory- close some applications" or some such
>nonsense.
So, let analyse this a little more shall we?
You leave a machine ALONE and for a WHOLE weekend, and it was running
a PROGRAM all this TIME, and you complain after all this it ran out
of virtual memory?????
do you know that the program you left running all this time could have been
consuming memory due to a memory leakage, and this resulted in what you saw??
at least NT did manage to report the exact error it detected with a nice
GUI based message on the screen instead of some arcane core dump file
somewhere it wrote on the disk like Unix system do.
Not only that, you ONLY had 32 MB of RAM !!!!!!!
man, get yourself more RAM !!! I have 128 of RAM, and I still get insufficient
memory error when I run few apps at the same time, and I am also using
NT. Do you expect NT to run with no memory??? memory is like gas, and the
OS is like a car. the longer the OS runs, the less gas will result, and the
more gas you need.
BOB
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From: Jim Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:20:52 -0500
> I agree, Redhat is not Linux, frankly I am disappointed.
It sure looks like Linux to me. The only thing that's particularly different
is that they have a halfway decent installer.(*)
If the argument is that RedHat users aren't Linux users (ie they are less
sophisticated) I'd have to say that such statements are sweeping
generalizations. Certainly that's not true of the group I run with, but YMMV.
jim
(*) The only two things that I find to be relatively poor about their installer
is that it provides no defaults for disk partitions (you have to create/edit
them yourself every time, which is a bit tedious, and new users have no idea
what it's talking about) and it could do a better job at figuring out what kind
of hardware you have.
Even so it beats the crap out of every commercial PC UNIX I've ever used.
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: * and dot files
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: 16 Jan 1999 23:21:01 -0800
>>>>> "Phil" == Phil Humpherys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I usually use rm /tmp/.[a-zA-Z]* but it's hard to type and it's not
>> nice.
Phil> A little easier would be:
Phil> rm /tmp/.??*
Phil> That was '.' and '..' don't get rm-ed.
And also wrong if you have a file named ".x".
--
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Quote: "I'm telling you, if I could have five lines in my .sig, I would!" -- me
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From: Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Making .tar.gz Files Work
Date: 17 Jan 1999 07:28:07 GMT
Simon Gaukroger wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
> I am having a lot of trouble making .tar.gr files I download off the
> net work. I really have no idea on who to make them work. I read the readme
> files, but I don't understand them. Please help.
>
> Thank you in advance,
> SIMON
> :-)
What are you having trouble with? Untarring them or compiling and
installing them?
--
From: Frank Hale
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Homepage: http://members.xoom.com/frankhale/
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"Excuse my english I went to a US public school"
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From: "Y W Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Does Linux support USB modems ?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:59:35 +0800
If Linux support USB modems, how many modems support
simultaneously ?
Y W Wong
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From: Y W Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Does Linux support USB modems ?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 00:15:28 +0800
It support, how many can be connect simultaneously ?
Y W Wong
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From: Troy Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Loadlin
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:54:40 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am looking for a copy of Loadlin, but can't seem to find it anywhere.
Do someone know where I can find it?
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 13 Jan 1999 12:52:38 -0500
In article <77igfv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, BKX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>As far as demand goes, demand comes from people being as stupid as you
>are. If every one was as smart as I am (IQ == 153) they'd be using
>Linux.
Yep. Let's leave the knowledge that there are other Unices and that they
all (including Linux) play together nicely for those of us who are smarter
than you. No problems with that. Sigh... Learn to count beyond 1. There
is no such thing as OS for every need. No, I'm not talking about Windows.
When idiot who thought about Windows as the only system reads in PC Sick
about RH and goes religious... Well, he remains idiot. M$ can do nothing
with Linux. They will peddle their stuff to their users and that's it.
They did it all over the time and Linux is still alive and well. Now,
ignorant dumbasses...
Oh, and learn to trim the quotes, luser.
--
An enthusiast once turned up at my office with a huge stone that filled the
trunk of his aging Chevy, the specimen so heavy that the car's front wheels were
almost off the ground. It was, he told me solemnly, a fossil human skull; see?
there's the eye, the nose, the ear... Alan Walker, The Wisdom of the Bones
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:03:32 -0500
From: Neal Magee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
I think the paper clip alone is a good indicator of what a poor platform
Windows is. I think of it as a litmus test -- if some idiot is going to
think of THAT to be something I should consider "helpful," just think of
what's going on at more serious levels...
nem
Ian MacArthur wrote:
>
> Rebecca Ore wrote:
> >
> > If you can't get rid of it completely and make it stay away forever and
> > ever, it's a bug. I've seen people shrieking about it after trying to get
> > rid of it. Getting rid of it should work.
> >
>
> Well, it went away on my WinNT machine when I told it to. It has stayed
> away.
> The dancing paper clip is hardly my main gripe with Office97 - there are
> plenty
> of things that plain don't work without worrying about that.... :-)
> ___
> Ian MacArthur
>
> Opinions expressed here are (probably) my own.
> They were when I typed them.
> They are not necessarily the company or anyone else's.
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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Elwhagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 17 Jan 1999 17:14:28 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Jim Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I agree, Redhat is not Linux, frankly I am disappointed.
> It sure looks like Linux to me. The only thing that's particularly
> different is that they have a halfway decent installer.(*)
...although i personally thing rpm is pretty crappy and the frontend
glint is grosse, at least when i tried it last time.
To my knowledge dpkg is a much better package-format and dselect a superior
frontend.
Regards
// Marwin
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| Student at Wexio University for PGP public key. |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ashok Aiyar)
Subject: Re: Telnet macro. Does it exist?
Date: 17 Jan 1999 18:33:51 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 17 Jan 1999 18:04:21 GMT,
Jim Richardson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>On 15 Jan 1999 23:41:22 -0600,
> Leslie Mikesell
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> brought forth the following words...:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>Christian Brideau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>I want to automate complete telnet sessions. In other words, logon-do
>>>stuff-get out.
>>>
>>>Is this scriptable? If not is there a macro software out there that I
>>>could use to perform this task?
>>
>>Kermit from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ has a reasonable scripting
>>language that works the same with serial ports or telnet sessions.
>>
>> Les Mikesell
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Expect would work here, it's practically the definitive expect task.
>
>See the book "exploring expect" by Don Libes?
The "expect" web site at http://expect.nist.gov has example scripts,
and a source archive for expect.
Cheers,
Ashok
--
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McArdle Laboratory for Cancer Research
http://aiyar.cjb.net
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From: "Simon Gaukroger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Making .tar.gz Files Work
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:42:05 -0000
Hey guys,
I am having a lot of trouble making .tar.gr files I download off the
net work. I really have no idea on who to make them work. I read the readme
files, but I don't understand them. Please help.
Thank you in advance,
SIMON
:-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Screensaver capture
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:03:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd like to use some of the graphics from various screensavers installed on my
system (RH5.2, fvwm2) in some other work that I'm doing. Is there a way to
capure a
screen while the screensaver is running?
Thanks,
Matt Morrison
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://webstu.messiah.edu/~mm1173
PyroSoft Technologies
HTML JavaScript CGI/PERL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to print a man page?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:06:33 GMT
Hey dudes! I'm trying to print man page on ipfwadm , but i can't find how to
do that :-) I found that man page on ipfwadm is in the
/usr/man/man8/ipfwadm.8 file, but it has some sort of special formatting that
is kinda difficult to read in emacs,vi, or KDE's kedit. Is there any way to
print the man or xman page in it's original formating? May be i have to open
than man page file in some kind of special editor? Please help me out dudes.
Thanx in advance :-)
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:45:43 -0800
From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape time zone setting?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I cannot seem to do anything to get the time stamp in netscape (communicator
> 4.5) to function correctly.
>
> I have my clock set correctly:
>
> (in /usr/share/zoneinfo/)
>
> localtime -> EST5EDT
> posixrules -> localtime
> posixtime -> localtime
>
> [root@PPRO zoneinfo]# date
> Sun Jan 17 12:10:50 EST 1999
>
> [root@PPRO zoneinfo]# date -u
> Sun Jan 17 17:11:01 UTC 1999
>
> I even set the "TZ" variable to each of the following at some point:
>
> EST+05EDT
> EST
> EST5EDT
>
> Even tried "linuxconf" (shudder, I don;t care for that tool and don't trust
> it)
>
> My mail time stampt is still GMT (+0000)
>
> Any thoughts on how to force netscape to use the right time, or setup linux to
> tell netscape the time in a more reliable manner?
>
> Thanks,
>
> /Mike
I had this problem but with **NS 3.01*** (so, YMMV.) I fixed it by
setting up a symbolic link :
[user@ravel user]$ ls -ld /usr/lib/zoneinfo
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 13 1998 /usr/lib/zoneinfo
-> /usr/share/zoneinfo
I figure this is the reason it works: when the NS binaries were compiled
they were set up to look in /usr/lib/zoneinfo. When this directory is
not found on RH 5.+ systems, NS defaults to GMT.
If someone knows if I am right in my guess, please send me a large gold
medal.
If I am wrong, direct flames to /dev/null.
Bob L.
P.S. Proves once more that everything should be open source, so you can
find/fix these things on your own.
> SYSINFO:
> Linux PPRO 2.0.36 #1 Tue Oct 13 22:17:11 EDT 1998 i686 unknown
> RH 5.2
>
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