Linux-Misc Digest #659, Volume #24 Wed, 31 May 00 00:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Remove strange -M file? (Ken Williams)
Re: democracy? ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: Where did that Zany Tarred File Go? (Akira Yamanita)
RH vs Slackware (BuDMaN)
Re: RH vs Slackware (Hal Burgiss)
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? ("Fredrick Gethers")
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: reccommended partitions and sizes ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? ("Fredrick Gethers")
Re: ssh problems ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
How to make X program remember position & size? (ricker)
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? ("Fredrick Gethers")
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: democracy? (Robert J Carter)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Williams)
Subject: Remove strange -M file?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:14:37 GMT
I have a file named "-M" without the quotes. HOw do I get rid of it?
Thanks
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:19:33 -0500
On Tue, 30 May 2000, Robert J Carter wrote:
+ In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
+ "Andrew N. McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
+
+ > As I siad before, indivuduals on average are quit intellingent,
+
+ Actually, no. By definition, individuals are on average NOT quite
+ intelligent, but of average intelligence.
By what and whos definition? I know indiviuals who are on both sides of
the bell curve.
Regards,
anm
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where did that Zany Tarred File Go?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:19:34 GMT
"Lonni J. Friedman" wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > hey all. a quickie:
> > thanks to help from this nwgrp, i tarred and feathered the Netscape 6
> > beta with the tar xzvf filename.tar.gz command. but, where, oh where can
> > Netscape 6, the executable be?
> > thanx in advance.
>
> try "which netscape"
If it's not installed, read the README file that's in the tarball.
You'll probably have to do something like:
./configure
make install
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From: BuDMaN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH vs Slackware
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:10:33 GMT
Hey,
I'm using RH 6.2 on a K6 450 64 MB and I was with the same OS on a
Pentium 150 32MB but I was unhappy with the speed on this computer so
I decided to remove RH and install Slackware. I'm still downloading
the files I want off a FTP server but I still didn't get X. That was
the main reason I removed RH - X was really slow.
I'm wondering if I did the right thing. So far, Slackware is working
pretty good but will X run faster on it?
--
BuDMaN
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Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: RH vs Slackware
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:24:22 GMT
On Wed, 31 May 2000 02:10:33 GMT, BuDMaN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm using RH 6.2 on a K6 450 64 MB and I was with the same OS on a
>Pentium 150 32MB but I was unhappy with the speed on this computer so
>I decided to remove RH and install Slackware. I'm still downloading
>the files I want off a FTP server but I still didn't get X. That was
>the main reason I removed RH - X was really slow.
> I'm wondering if I did the right thing. So far, Slackware is working
>pretty good but will X run faster on it?
X is X. If it does run faster, it is due to configuration (smarter
installer?), or more recent XFree with better card support. Was all your
RAM recognized? Also, RH probably sticks you with Gnome or KDE -- both
of which are optional components and will slow you down in low memory
situations. Not sure what default Slack does, but would try it without
either of these.
--
Hal B
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From: "Fredrick Gethers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:32:22 GMT
Ok,
The reason I posted this was because I have a Linux machine at home which
consist of a Compaq Deskpro 2000 with a P133 (I ordered a used P200, haven't
received it yet!) with 80mb of RAM (upgraded from 32mb) and a 4.3gig
Harddrive (upgraded from 1gig) and a 2x CDROM and floppy.
My primary home machine is a Dual PII 400 with 512mb of RAM, 21" Dell
Monitor, ATI All in Wonder Pro 8mb Video card, 32x CDROM, 3 10gig
Harddrives, SoundBlaster Live, Well you get the picture!!!
My primary work machine is a Compaq Deskpro with a PII 266 with 192mb of RAM
My Linux machine at work is a Compaq Deskpro with a PIII 667 with 256mb or
RAM and a 13gig Harddrive and CDROM (more powerful because it's newer).
I said all this just because as you can see, I am used to speed!! and would
like have something a little snappier than the P133 or P200 for Linux (maybe
the equivalent of a PII 366 or 400).
I just figured since those Sun Sparc pizza boxes are soo sexy, it would be
nice to get one with the performance stated above, install Linux and that's
it (I have no special need other than that, Sun Solaris is nice, but I have
no intention of running it).
"Fredrick Gethers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:BInY4.5623$%11.46570@news02...
> I am very much a newbie to Sun machines.
>
> I am in the process of looking for a Sun sparc 1, 5, 10, 20 or some other
> Sun machine that will not be too expensive to purchase used.
>
> I want the machine to include an internal CDROM and floppy.
>
> This machine will be used to run Mandrake Linux 7.0.
>
> The problem is that when it comes to Intel Machines I know exactly what I
> need as far as system requirements (Graphic Card Memory, RAM, Harddrive
> size, CDROM speed). When I look at the Sun boxes I'm not sure what to
look
> for as the RAM, CPU Speed and Harddrives seem very small.
>
> I saw the following and would like to know if this is true:
>
> **********************************************
> Sun Sparc Classic, 50MHz sun4m archtecture, 96mb RAM (worth $30*6, $180 by
> itself), 2.1gb harddrive, Solaris 2.7 desktop with disks and manual and
> preloaded, guaranteed against DOA (this is a currently working system
setup
> as my mail server), optional 20" sun monitor in new condition add $175,
> optional type 5 keyboard and mouse add $55). This Sun workstation is
> basically a Sparc 10 with different cache, and most Sparc 10's are only
> 30MHz, this one is 50MHz (faster than an Intel Pentium II 450 running
> Windows 95, really, and NO crashes to boot). The only reason I am selling
> this is because I am upgrading to an Ultra computer and need some cash.
> **********************************************
>
> Also, is there a way to compare Sun performance numbers to Intel.
>
>
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:32:16 GMT
brian moore wrote:
>
> On 30 May 2000 16:27:33 -0700,
> bb@bb <bb@bb> wrote:
> > In article <8h0lk5$b9b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > >b) Bridges cost *money*, not just time.
> >
> > I guess then it is true what they say about linux. it is free for those
> > whose time is worthless.
>
> Linux isn't a bridge last I checked.
>
> Never mind that 'free' in Linux isn't about "zero price", it's about
> "freedom".
>
> > Time is money. Are you so worthless that your time is worth nothing?
>
> My time is worth plenty, which is why I'm glad I don't waste it
> rebooting or reinstalling or fighting DLL's....
>
> --
> Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
> Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
> Netscum, Bane of Elves.
I'd have to agree with Brian's comments.
An OS which Blue Screen's indescriminantly is more troublesome
and more time consuming than Linux ever dreamed of being.
See, with Linux there is a FIX for the problem when one occurs
whilst with Microsoft there is a LONG wait for a service pack
before the NEXT Blue Screen and the NEXT LONG WAIT!
Charlie
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: reccommended partitions and sizes
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:38:18 -0500
On 30 May 2000, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
[ disclaimer: the following is an issue I feel strongly about, please
forgive me if I sound overbearing.. But I have had to clean up behind
too many sloppy admins before on disk/FS issues. :-) ]
+ Amit Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+ : For a home system my recomendations would be
+
+ : 1. 16 MB for /boot
+ : 2. 80 - 100 MB for /
+ : 3. 800 - 1600 MB for /usr
+ : 4. 200 - 300 MB for /usr/local
+ : 5. 200 - 300 MB for /var
+ : 6. What's left for /home
+ : 7. Link /opt to /usr...
+ : 8. Link /tmp to /var...
+
+ I would second this scheme. It's entirely adequate. I would suggest he
+ needs the top end of the range you specified for /usr (1600MB, maybe
+ 2GB) as he is linking /opt in there. I'd also leave considerably more
+ space for /var nowadays, as there's space to burn on disks, and he may
+ wish to burn space on cd's ...
I would like to point out that I would whole heartedly NOT
recommend that partitioning scheme. I agree with everything up to
step 7. /opt is meant to server a *totally* different purpose than
/usr. Similarly, /tmp is meant to serve a totally different purpose
than /var. The two should *not* be linked. Now I would say
that it is fine to link /tmp to /var/tmp, but not just /var.
However, you may wish to put /tmp on a RAM disk and use /var/tmp
and more 'permanant' temporary storage. /tmp should be cleaned
at boot, /var should not. Also I would add a swap partition if that
has not be addressed.
Basically, I would recommend reading FHS 2.0, and then at least
the changes made in 2.1. The Filesystem Hierarchy Standard should
IMHO be adhered to as much as possible so that consistency, not
only between distributions, but machines is not an issue.
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.0/fhs-toc.html
Is a URL for the HTML version of the FHS 2.0. It is great reading,
especially if you ever plan to implement your own distribution.
+ : Of cause there are as many recomendations as admins. But IMHO the
+ : essential is to have /home, /var and /usr/local on seperate
+ : partitions since this makes thinks (e.g. reinstalling or upgrading)
+ : easier.
+
+ Indeed.
Yep.
Regards,
anm
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From: "Fredrick Gethers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:44:38 GMT
Ok,
The reason I posted this was because I have a Linux machine at home which
consist of a Compaq Deskpro 2000 with a P133 (I ordered a used P200, haven't
received it yet!) with 80mb of RAM (upgraded from 32mb) and a 4.3gig
Harddrive (upgraded from 1gig) and a 2x CDROM and floppy.
My primary home machine is a Dual PII 400 with 512mb of RAM, 21" Dell
Monitor, ATI All in Wonder Pro 8mb Video card, 32x CDROM, 3 10gig
Harddrives, SoundBlaster Live, Well you get the picture!!!
My primary work machine is a Compaq Deskpro with a PII 266 with 192mb of RAM
My Linux machine at work is a Compaq Deskpro with a PIII 667 with 256mb or
RAM and a 13gig Harddrive and CDROM (more powerfull because it's newer).
I said all this just because as you can see, I am used to speed!! and would
like have something a little snappier than the P133 or P200 for Linux (mabe
the equivelent of a PII 366 or 400).
I just figured since those Sun Sparc pizza boxes are soo sexy, it would be
nice to get one with the performance stated above, install Linux and that's
it (I have no special need other than that, Sun Solaris is nice, but I have
no intention of running it).
"Fredrick Gethers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:BInY4.5623$%11.46570@news02...
> SunflowerI am very much a newbie to Sun machines.
>
> I am in the process of looking for a Sun sparc 1, 5, 10, 20 or some other
> Sun machine that will not be too expensive to purchase used.
>
> I want the machine to include an internal CDROM and floppy.
>
> This machine will be used to run Mandrake Linux 7.0.
>
> The problem is that when it comes to Intel Machines I know exactly what I
> need as far as system requirements (Graphic Card Memory, RAM, Harddrive
> size, CDROM speed). When I look at the Sun boxes I'm not sure what to
look
> for as the RAM, CPU Speed and Harddrives seem very small.
>
> I saw the following and would like to know if this is true:
>
> **********************************************
> Sun Sparc Classic, 50MHz sun4m archtecture, 96mb RAM (worth $30*6, $180 by
> itself), 2.1gb harddrive, Solaris 2.7 desktop with disks and manual and
> preloaded, guaranteed against DOA (this is a currently working system
setup
> as my mail server), optional 20" sun monitor in new condition add $175,
> optional type 5 keyboard and mouse add $55). This Sun workstation is
> basically a Sparc 10 with different cache, and most Sparc 10's are only
> 30MHz, this one is 50MHz (faster than an Intel Pentium II 450 running
> Windows 95, really, and NO crashes to boot). The only reason I am selling
> this is because I am upgrading to an Ultra computer and need some cash.
> **********************************************
>
> Also, is there a way to compare Sun performance numbers to Intel.
>
>
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ssh problems
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:46:24 -0500
On Tue, 30 May 2000, Praedor Tempus wrote:
+ I have openssh installed on both my desktop and laptop computer.
+ When I try to open a ssh connection to my desktop from my laptop
+ I cannot. I get a message about connection refused. When I try
+ from my desktop to my laptop, it connects fine. Both are running
+ openssh-1.2.2-6, setup the same. Both run sshd.
+
+ Is there something I should take a look at that I may have missed?
+ As far as I can tell and recall, I set them both up the same from
+ the client-side. It is running as default settings for sshd.
OK, I read your other reply, no firewall...
Can you telnet to port 22 on the server? If so do you
see something like:
sh-2.03$ telnet lark 22
Trying 192.168.0.1...
Connected to lark.ce.mediaone.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
SSH-1.5-1.2.27
If so good. Do you have /etc/hosts.allow, /etc/hosts.deny or anything
like that on the server preventing you from connecting?
I would check those first.
Regards,
anm
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From: ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to make X program remember position & size?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:59:10 -0500
Is there any way to make X programs remember their position and size?
When running most X programs I have to resize and re-position them
when they start ,which waste a lot of time.
Thanks
Ricker
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From: "Fredrick Gethers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 03:19:38 GMT
Ok,
The reason I posted this was because I have a Linux machine at home which
consist of a Compaq Deskpro 2000 with a P133 (I ordered a used P200, haven't
received it yet!) with 80mb of RAM (upgraded from 32mb) and a 4.3gig
Harddrive (upgraded from 1gig) and a 2x CDROM and floppy.
My primary home machine is a Dual PII 400 with 512mb of RAM, 21" Dell
Monitor, ATI All in Wonder Pro 8mb Video card, 32x CDROM, 3 10gig
Harddrives, SoundBlaster Live, Well you get the picture!!!
My primary work machine is a Compaq Deskpro with a PII 266 with 192mb of RAM
My Linux machine at work is a Compaq Deskpro with a PIII 667 with 256mb or
RAM and a 13gig Harddrive and CDROM (more powerfull because it's newer).
I said all this just because as you can see, I am used to speed!! and would
like have something a little snappier than the P133 or P200 for Linux (mabe
the equivelent of a PII 366 or 400).
I just figured since those Sun Sparc pizza boxes are soo sexy, it would be
nice to get one with the performance stated above, install Linux and that's
it (I have no special need other than that, Sun Solaris is nice, but I have
no intention of running it).
"Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote in message news:8gtb9p$eks$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [[ PLEASE DON'T SEND ME EMAIL COPIES OF POSTINGS ]]
>
> "Fredrick Gethers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >**********************************************
> >Sun Sparc Classic, 50MHz sun4m archtecture, 96mb RAM (worth $30*6, $180
by
> >itself), 2.1gb harddrive, Solaris 2.7 desktop with disks and manual and
> >preloaded, guaranteed against DOA (this is a currently working system
setup
> >as my mail server), optional 20" sun monitor in new condition add $175,
> >optional type 5 keyboard and mouse add $55). This Sun workstation is
> >basically a Sparc 10 with different cache, and most Sparc 10's are only
> >30MHz, this one is 50MHz (faster than an Intel Pentium II 450 running
> >Windows 95, really, and NO crashes to boot). The only reason I am selling
> >this is because I am upgrading to an Ultra computer and need some cash.
> >**********************************************
>
> Well, this message is rather bogus:
>
>
> - it's not essentially a SS10; the CPU is slower (it performs
> considerably less work per cycle)
> - it has a tiny cache (2+4)?, smaller than the SuperSPARC's on-chip
> cache (36K) (not to mention the 1MB external cache some modules
> have)
> - most SS10s weren't shipped at 30MHz (early models ran at 33 & 36;
> most the majority are most likely 50s or better, perhaps 40; a
> 40MHz SuperSPARC is faster than a 50MHz LX)
> - the only thing faster in the LX is memory bandwidth; being a
> single CPU system, memory and CPU are closer and so is the bandwidth.
>
>
> - of course it's not faster than a 450MHz PII, but you figured that
> out.
>
> Casper
> --
> Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related
> to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems.
> Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may
> be fiction rather than truth.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 30 May 2000 22:12:11 -0500
In article <8h1ip5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bb@bb> wrote:
>In article <8h0lk5$b9b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>b) Bridges cost *money*, not just time.
>
>I guess then it is true what they say about linux. it is free for those
>whose time is worthless.
>
>Time is money. Are you so worthless that your time is worth nothing?
What does that mean? Linux is faster than most of the alternatives.
Are you offering to come over and re-install my Windows printer driver
for free the next time it decides to destroy itself? It is easy enough
but it takes about 10 minutes and has happened about 4 times now.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert J Carter)
Subject: Re: democracy?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 03:21:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 30 May 2000, Robert J Carter wrote:
>
> + In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> + "Andrew N. McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> +
> + > As I siad before, indivuduals on average are quit intellingent,
> +
> + Actually, no. By definition, individuals are on average NOT quite
> + intelligent, but of average intelligence.
>
> By what and whos definition? I know indiviuals who are on both sides of
> the bell curve.
>
By definition of the word average. Average people can only be average;
if you are talking about their intelligence, then it can only be
average.
--
Robert J Carter at Oghma dot on dot ca
Use My initials to reach me via e-mail
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