Linux-Misc Digest #752, Volume #18 Mon, 25 Jan 99 07:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: chmod a mounted VFAT? ("Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus")
Newbie Installation (Thrawn)
where can i get pwconv (Habib Jalili)
Inspired by Red Hat Labs (Kaustav Bhattacharya)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers ("Netnerd")
Re: Sendmail (Brian)
Re: xterm, change mapping of keyboard ("T.E.Dickey")
Security ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 2038 and Linux (gus)
Changed Lilo boot options, now Win98 won't boot ("David J. DeFrain")
Re: problem with rm? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux instead of Windows - just one problem (Matthias Warkus)
Re: A newbie versus "vi" (Matthias Warkus)
Re: A Tale of Two Installations (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Enlightenment messes with my .xinitrc (Matthias Warkus)
Dpkg of Debian Linux 2.0 doesn't detect a new version of Qt!
(=?iso-8859-1?B?RErkbmljaGVu?=)
Re: Unused libraries (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Rh 5.2 and SB AWE 32 PnP freezing (Antonio Sergio Ribeiro Gomes)
Sound Configuration (Matthew Willcock)
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From: "Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: chmod a mounted VFAT?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:03:24 +1100
To clarify things...
You supply user and group information when mounting the drive. Do a 'man
mount' and 'man fstab'.
(Assuming you want to change ownership and/or permissions.)
As for the read, write and execute bits. execute will be on for all
files, and read and write permissions will be set for the user.
Ciao...
Michael.
Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus wrote:
> G'day...
>
> > Question: A friend reports that, with RH5.1, when one attempts
> > to chmod a mounted VFAT drive, the entire installation goes foobar,
> > requiring (in his estimation) major work.
>
> Hrmm.... odd... It should only take a long time, and produce a string
> of error messages.
>
> > Come to think of if; how does one chmod a mounted drive?
>
> Well, normally you use the chmod command... ;) <duck>
>
> You cannot chmod files on a fat/vfat partition. (These partitions
> don't work in the same way that e2fs or other unices filesystem.)
>
> All the best...
>
> Michael.
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From: Thrawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie Installation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 02:06:04 -0800
After being fed up with Winblows' BSOD, i've decided to at least set up a
Linux
partition on my drive to try it out. Currently I have two partitions. My primary(C: -
1 gig),
and an extended(D: - 2 gigs). What I want to do is set up 3 partitions: primary(C: Win
95 - 1
gig, D: Linux - 1 gig), and an extended(E: - 1 gig). One problem, though, is that I
need to
transfer a gig from D: to C:(Then FIPS split my C: primary). But seeing as my drive is
full
i'll
have to find a way to repartition(Without Partition Magic, I don't have any extra
cash!). But,
that's not my major problem. I've been hearing things about keeping my Linux below the
1024
cylinder mark(Which I have no way of knowing). And on top of that, I haven't been able
to
find a utility like Delorie's Zip Picker to download Linux, so I have no idea what to
download.
Any suggestions??????
Thrawn
BTW - Do I have split my 1 gig primary Linux partition for OS/swap or something like
that?
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From: Habib Jalili <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: where can i get pwconv
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:12:33 +0100
Hi,
i have a linux (SuSE 5.3) machine with shadow enabled. Now i want to
remoe shadowing. I can't simply remove the shadow package because the
package amoung other things contains /bin/passwd and /bin/login and so
on.
As far as i know the tool pwunconv (and grpunconv) can do it for me. But
in this distribution three isn't neither pwunconv nor grpunconv.
Does anybody know, wher can i get it?
Please a Mail to me: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Many Thanks
Habib
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From: Kaustav Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Inspired by Red Hat Labs
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:28:06 +0000
Reply-To: k, dot, bhattacharya, at, bbc, dot, co, dot, uk
I started reading http://www.labs.redhat.com/ which talks about Red
Hat's attempt to create a more user friendly interface to Linux and all
the other jazz associated with it which is detailed on their page. It
got me wondering, is there a web page out there which actually makes the
assumption that the user knows nothing about Linux or Unix and is simply
just interested in it and wants to install it and set it up and start
using it for this, that and the other? A web sit which explains it in
simple, easy terms? A site which deosn't make the assumption that you
know your 'chown' from your 'make bzImage'? :-) I used to use Solaris
in my Uni days 4-5 years ago so when I installed Linux it wasn't such an
immense mine field for me, however, there are many many things which I'm
still confused with and would dearly love these things explained in a
straight forward easy to understand way. Any useful suggestions
anyone? Finally, I guess the good old rainforest mucher is probably the
best place to search for such info, so any good suggestions on books for
total Linux newbie's? Many thanks...
Kozzey
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From: "Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:51:37 -0500
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Jim Ross wrote in message ...
>
>Netnerd wrote in message ...
>>
>>Jeremy Crabtree wrote in message ...
>>>Netnerd allegedly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Julian T. J. Midgley wrote in message
>>>><78dhlo$ias$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>>>>
>>>>>Linux has another advantage. If I were to find a bug in the kernel, I
>>>>>would be allowed to fix it myself and distribute the fix to other
>>>>>people. If I find a bug in a Microsoft product (an almost weekly
>>>>>occurence) I cannot fix it, because they will not provide me with the
>>>>>source, nor let me distribute the fixed version.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thank God.
>>>
>>>So...you're saying it's a /GOOD/ thing to be left unable to fix the
system
>>>when you find a bug?
>>
>>
>>In the hands of the criminally insane, yes.
>
>I don't see where criminal or insame fits in.
Because once the criminally insane programmers 'fix' the open source code
they want to then distribute the 'fixed' version to others, viruses and all.
Thank God really valueable source code is not available to the public.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian)
Subject: Re: Sendmail
Date: 25 Jan 1999 01:48:45 -0700
I belive if you rerun sendmailconfig and setup Null client forward host it will
solve your problems.
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 06:35:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I just installed sendmail and a caching only DNS server now when i
>send a mail from my linux server it says this:
>
>The original message was received at Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:21:30 -0700
>from CALCLAB.PIE.EDU [199.86.23.112]
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>>Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 501 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Sender domain must exist
>>Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:21:31 -0700<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xterm, change mapping of keyboard
Date: 25 Jan 1999 11:34:18 GMT
Michael Gens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I use an application which needs adapted sequences for function keys,
> arrow keys, insert, delete keys and comma of numeric keypad. There is an
> adapted termcap for this application on remote server. But it doesn't
> correpond to standard xterm. So application can't be directed via an
> invoked telnet session on linux workstation.
> How can I adapt xterm behavior?
By using the translations in the resource file. Without more information it's
hard to provide an example - but there's some related stuff in my xterm faq
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm/xterm.faq.html
--
Thomas E. Dickey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Security
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:30:01 GMT
New to Linux! Just connected to Internet thru ppp and wonder how safety to
surf the Internet using Netscape under Linux. Anyone can intrude my computer
? or can see my password on the submit form. Thanks for your info.
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From: gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2038 and Linux
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:57:25 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Toon Moene wrote:
>
> Keith G. Murphy wrote:
>
> > The ironic thing about all this is that DEC VMS has had a 64-bit date
> > representation all along: since, oh, 1985 or '86? Yet another
> > confirmation of the "Digital has it now" slogan. :-)
>
> VMS uses a 64-bit time field. Its epoch is (somewhere in) 1858, and its
> increment is 100 ns.
>
> Someone with a slide rule out there to compute when VMS "runs out of
> time" ?
>
> --
> Toon Moene ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG Maartensdijk, The Netherlands
> Phone: +31 346 214290; Fax: +31 346 214286
> g77 Support: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; egcs: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I got it to about 587 million years ...
I think that is sometime after the solar collapse(when the sun burns out
...;-).
The real problem with this system is the granularity of the 100ns. In
about 10 years time I imagine that systems will be aproaching the lower
bound of this time field, being able to compute, time, and store time
values of perhaps 1ns or less .... ;-)
gus
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 06:54:15 -0500
From: "David J. DeFrain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Changed Lilo boot options, now Win98 won't boot
I tried to edit Lilo options from
Linxconf. I was booting Linux strictly from a boot disk,
and wanted to be able to boot without a disk from the Lilo
prompt, with Win98 being the default. After setting this up
(I thought) on Linxconf, I am unable to boot Win 98, while
Linux works fine. Within Linux, I cannot mount my C: drive
either, which I could do before. I get the message "wrong fs type, bad
option,
bad superblock on /dev/hda1 (which is my C: drive). I cannot
boot Windows from a startup disk, either. At a DOS prompt,
I can see C: and it's contents, however. I must have hosed some
boot record, or something. I'm lost. TIA.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: problem with rm?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:57:47 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:53:58 +0000...
..and Martin McGreal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have noticed more than once when I try to delete a relatively large
> file (80 megs or more), the space is not immediately recovered. In these
> situations rm will almost immediately exit, returning to the shell
> prompt, instead of giving a normal delay before returning the prompt
> (indicating that it's doing something). I have to reboot the machine
> before the changes show up on df. Anyone have any idea why?
Buffered I/O? A reboot certainly is exaggerated, simply running "sync"
should be enough, methinks.
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Linux instead of Windows - just one problem
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:08:50 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:54:05 +0000...
..and Ben Sandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm running an all-Linux shop here. There's someone (the boss) who
> wants one machine for himself just to do data entry in Excel. I'm sure
> if I sat him down at a Linux box with Star Office and told him it's just
> like Windows, he'd be fine. That is, until I told him that he needs to
> type mount /mnt/floppy before he uses his floppy disk, and umount
> /mnt/floppy afterwards. Is there any simple way to have the floppy
> drive automatically mounted and umounted, without running development
> kernels or hacking at it for 3 days and 3 nights? I'm running RedHat
> 5.1, standard install out of the box.
Explain to your boss why buffered Linux input/output is better and faster
than unbuffered DOS input/output; explain to him that buffers need to be
flushed; explain to him that the nifty little desktop icon you created will
mount or unmount the drive for him.
This is assuming you use KDE.
mawa
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My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
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lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: A newbie versus "vi"
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:03:41 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 22 Jan 1999 14:26:04 -0500...
..and tony summerfelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:13:02 +0100, Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> > Jed is very Emacs-like. Actually, it's a small Emacs emulator.
>
> jed can be <insert fave editor here>-like if you want it to be...
I know...
> i'd hesitate calling it an emacs emulator (you don't have lisp).
Yes, I know, it's got S-Lang which used to be slick and stack-based, but
which is rather like C now. But the author emphasises the fact that Jed
gives you the best Emacs emulation bang for the byte specifically on his Web
pages etc. (IIRC)
The reason I use Jed is that it loads in a blink and supports most Emacs
commands. It's got a couple of quirks, though; for example, on my box,
Delete doesn't work, and for some strange reason, the keyboard layout is
broken (I can't enter backquotes!). Must be because I've got a German
keyboard.
I'm considering to switch to a GNU emacs server so I can use emacsclient.
But then, I want to keep my vi skills alive (they're limited enough
already;), and I think vim is one of the most moby editors around, so
perhaps I'll switch to vim?
In any case, if I don't get Jed's behaviour fixed, I'll have to dump it
anyway.
> for those who want emacs without the bloat wouldn't microemacs be the answer?
Never tried.
mawa
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My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
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lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: A Tale of Two Installations
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:41:38 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:58:00 -0500...
..and Giftzwerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Linux is not "too hard to use" if you're an experienced $-head interested
> in setting up a robust network or suite of services of some kind.
>
> Linux is precisely "too hard to use" if you're a casual user out there in
> the broad market of home and business applications.
No.
> The trouble (for Linux...) is that the first group already knows that
> Linux is a Good Thing - but there aren't enough of them to make any sort
> of a difference. It's the second group that remains unconvinced that
> Linux has anything other than pain and misery to offer them.
I know someone who really looks forward to using Linux some day, even though
he's the prototypical clueless teenage ICQer.
> And (drumroll) the second group is where the money is...
We don't need no steenking money.
mawa
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My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Enlightenment messes with my .xinitrc
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:44:27 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:54:28 +0100...
..and Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got me the latest release of Gnome, and with it, the latest release of
> Enlightenment, too.
>
> Finally, everything in E works like it should for me, and for the first time,
> themes work OK, too. My only problem is that E tries to outsmart me.
> Everytime I run it, it seems to insert a line executing itself into my
> xinitrc. Probably, that's because there is no window manager specified
> inside the .xinitrc - just a line that says "exec $WINDOWMANAGER", where
> WINDOWMANAGER is set by my WM selector script.
>
> How can I tell Enlightenment to stop messing with my .xinitrc? It's stupid
> enough to put the line executing E inside if constructs, causing syntax
> errors.
Looks like E did this only twice and has now stopped it.
Enigmatic.
mawa
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My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
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lowers your social status...
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Subject: Dpkg of Debian Linux 2.0 doesn't detect a new version of Qt!
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:07:51 +0100
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Unused libraries
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:38:40 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:06:06 +0100...
..and Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a program that checks for and reports unused libraries on a Linux
> system? If there isn't, I suppose I could kluge something up if there was a
> command that finds all the executables on my system...
>
> Perhaps that can be rigged with find, but I remember trying to do that and
> not succeeding.
>
> In any case, a program looking for unused libraries is such a trivial idea
> that probably someone has already done one.
I just realised that there should probably be a program that does even more
- what I REALLY need is a program that checks for unused libraries,
unstripped binaries, files that are world-writable when they shouldn't be
and dangling symbolic links.
I figured some shell magic to list all the unstripped executables in and
below a directory, BTW:
(find -follow | xargs file) | grep "executable.*not stripped" | cut -f 1 -d :
Perhaps some might find this of use. I saved something like 15 megabytes
finally stripping everything in /usr/local/bin.
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:28:17 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 13 Jan 1999 05:57:39 GMT...
..and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[schnibble]
> Bill Gates is indeed a genius. Bill Gates is THE Man, if I could be like
> anybody when I 'grow up', it would be Bill.
*sigh* Another one of these 14-year-olds with power fantasies?
> Bill Gates is the Ultimate Businessman. Period, you cannot argue that
> point(well, maybe you can point out some other businessmen who were better.)
I'd say nearly every half responsible businessman on this planet is better.
Look at the guys running Porsche. They aren't merging with others just to
get shareholder value. They aren't expanding too much. But they've got a
rock-solid, healthy, though small, corporation which will survive through at
least the next one or two decades, if you allow me being prophetic.
These are real businessmen. They take care for the company. They take care
for the people working for them. They even take care for the normal
share-holder. They don't try to make their enterprise a ballooning,
short-lived revenue generator.
> Anyone who makes in the billions by selling Windows to the world like he did
> cannot be beaten in business. Windows is the ultimate in commercial
> software. You MUST have it. In order to use the latest software for
> computers today, you must have it.
I wonder why I can use the 0.99.3 release of Gnome (the latest software I
got me) without Windows?
> Never has so much demand for one man's
> product been so great in the history of the world. Only a Genius could have
> pulled that off.
Nah, you're wrong. And BTW, it's not only "one man".
[schnibble]
> Linux However, cannot be stopped in normal business terms. Redhat? Yes.
> SUSE? Yes. Other commercial versions? Yes. But Linux itself isn't
> commercial, and cannot be crushed by an inferior commercial product, or a
> company that relies 100% on the sale of its products to survive.
Hey, I didn't think someone who worships Bill Gates as a businessman could
be intelligent enough to realise that! I must revise all my opinions.
> So, how can
> Microsoft possibly make Linux fight for survival?
The Halloween paper pointed that out, I think, but it's not as easy as it
looks, given the enormous manpower the free software community can put into
reverse-engineering (look at Wine).
> Linux cannot win out over all, though,
Proof.
> and this is where MS comes in.(It's
> either MS or Apple, folks..or maybe OS/2, but OS/2 takes a little bit of
> thought and effort to install and use).
OS/2 will go the way of the Amiga... but those pronounced dead tend to live
longer.
> MS shovels shit to the lowest common
> denomonator. The Folks that sent their first E-mail through AOL, and think
> they were soooo Cyberpunk, the folks that had trouble when their 'coffee cup
> holder' couldn't support the weight of their coffee mug, or people who think
> that a Virus is going to be GUI and announce itself before it hits them, or
> the people who buy the latest and greatest and fastest computers, most
> expensive so that their kids can do 'homework' using that great Grolier
> Multimedia Encyclopedia, (which had what..maybe 1k of actual information per
> topic, and millions of wasted k on grainy pictures and half-second sound
> bites? God, I'm glad I didn't pay for that disk).
Yep, the 26-volume Brockhaus beats them all.
> Linux will never be popular among most computer users
>
> because thanks to MS, 90% of computer users are people who should never have
> been allowed to buy them in the first place.
Dangerous thought. Elitist thought.
> Thanks to Bill Gates' Business
> Saavvy(SP?), he will always have a market with them by playing 'hey, we're
> normal people doing this' and feelgood commercials set to Rolling Stones
> music.
Who says Linux can't pull that kind of marketing stunt? All we need is to
show to the ordinary Windows user how *insane* using Windows is. May I
modify a quote from the fortune(6) database:
# The daily travails of the Windows user are so amusing to most of us
# who are fortunate enough never to have got to do them again -- like
# watching Charlie Chaplin trying to cook a shoe.
> Start that paragraph over...Linux cannot win out as the premiere OS, because
> it requires a bit of thought and effort to use it. Linux is where DOS was
> before Windows 3.0 came out(Socially speaking, that is)
No, unlike DOS, it's an operating system, and it's sane.
> it's still for the
> 'geeks'. It is beyond the Common User.
It's in the gray zone between both.
[schnibble]
> Each version of Windows was dumbed
> down from the last, do you really want Linux to be dumbed down enough to beat
> any version of MS Windows?
*double sigh* Linux can't be dumbed down in its entirety for the same reason
that MS can't "kill" it commercially: because it isn't a single, monolithic
product. <URL: http://home.att.net/~nishk/frt-html/frt.html>
mawa
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From: Antonio Sergio Ribeiro Gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Rh 5.2 and SB AWE 32 PnP freezing
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:06:40 -0200
Al Kooz wrote:
> I installed RH 5.2 on my system (for the 100th time now) and I've been
> trying to get my SB AWE 32 PnP to work... I used sndconfig, and it seemed to
> detect it right. It played the sample and closed with no error message. Then
> I go start X and I'm perfectly able to play Audio Cd's... When I boot
> though, there's two error messages:
> - First it's the sfxload that can't be found (although it's
> there, I checked it)
> - Second, the awe_wave.o isn't able to be loaded it says that
> the resource
> or device is busy...
>
I have an SB-AWE card on my machine too. These boards normally don't work fine
with the standard kernel (2.0.x). You should do a patch on your kernel with
the SB AWE32/64 Sound Driver for Linux (load it as a module!) and install the
ISAPNP tool.
In the case of PnP/Kernel Problems .... the sndconfig tool only detects the
board but it does not configure it due PnP issues. Sometimes SB-AWE boards may
have some of its devices functioning, as the mixer, audio-in, and even the
midi-synth (not AWE mode). But several internal devices remain misconfigured.
Depending on your hardware and kernel configuration it won't work unless you do
it the right way (I suppose this is the case).
TIP Read carefully the documentation of the isapnp tool. You should understand
the
isapnp.conf file.
The AWEDRV can be found at:
http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/awedrv/
And don't forget to take a look at:
http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/Soundblaster-AWE-HOWTO.txt
bye
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Willcock)
Subject: Sound Configuration
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:06:31 GMT
I have setup RedHat 5.2 Linux, and every thing works exept Sound. I
have A Super Sound Origins PCI PnP sound card. sndconfig, says I have
a sound card, but Model=UNKNOWN, how can I get around this? The card
is ment to me Sound Blaster compatible, but I've tried entering all
combinations of settings for the card.
The main chip has ESS Solo on it.
Matthew
Matthew Willcock
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