Linux-Misc Digest #787, Volume #18 Wed, 27 Jan 99 18:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux or FreeBSD? (Steve Lamb)
Re: Linux or FreeBSD? (Ferdinand Goldmann)
Re: (Symbolic) Links (Bill Simpson)
Re: HELP RH5.2 and 2.2.0-final (Tim Moore)
Re: IDE drives are slower under Linux comparing to Win95? ("Bob Glover")
Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question. (Andy Mulhearn)
Re: Kernel 2.2.0-pre9 and kerneld (Tim Moore)
NEWBIE: I can't build kermit on Red Hat 5.1 (Yasir Hassan)
Re: Linux - Where To Start??? (J.M. Paden)
Looking for software on the Net (Mike Wittek)
Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise (M Sweger)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux or FreeBSD?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 27 Jan 1999 14:03:32 +0800
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:15:31 -0800, Ken
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What version of NT are you installing?
4.0
>I just installed 4.0 to an NTFS partition that the NT install program set up
>for me. It is the only partition on that hard drive...
NT will make a FAT drive, install partway onto it then converts it to
NTFS after a reboot or two.
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Steve C. Lamb | Opinions expressed by me are not my
http://www.calweb.com/~morpheus | employer's. They hired me for my
ICQ: 5107343 | skills and labor, not my opinions!
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From: Ferdinand Goldmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux or FreeBSD?
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: 23 Jan 99 22:18:29 GMT
In comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Jordan K. Hubbard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: stuff like this lately (WABI is sort of a special case given some of
: the kernel support it needs). Both Sybase and Oracle have been shown
^^^^^^
This sounds fine, but I still have to test against my Adabas 6.1 for Linux.
Last time I tried (with an earlier (May 98) snapshot of 3.0), Adabas failed
to run. But then, maybe Oracle will some day start selling Oracle/FreeBSD
*hope*
/ferdl
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:50:22 -0600
From: Bill Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: (Symbolic) Links
I have a question on symbolic links:
how do you remove one? When I try rm it doesn't work. (I take it these
show up as filename@)
Thanks for any help.
Bill
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:57:40 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: HELP RH5.2 and 2.2.0-final
There's a whole bunch o things you might have missed
AND fortunately several upgrade guides here:
http://www.linuxhq.com/
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"Everything is permitted. Nothing is forbidden."
WS Burroughs.
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From: "Bob Glover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: IDE drives are slower under Linux comparing to Win95?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:12:47 -0000
Have you tried hdparm -c ?
For Pete's sake be careful though!
Eric Rupprecht wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>On Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:31:24 -0400, Jeffrey Fulmer
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Chris Hedemark wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:40:39 -0600, "J. S. Jensen"
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >The speed difference is probably because WinX actually has drivers
optimized
>>> >FROM THE MANUFACTURER for the IDE drives.
>>>
>>> I haven't seen these drivers. Windows 95 and NT use a generic
>>> Microsoft driver for all IDE drives. There are no drivers for the
>>> drives themselves, actually, but for the controller.
>>
>>Yeah, you have to be REAL careful when you purchase hardware for linux.
Windows
>>specific hardware BIOS can really cause a problem for non-Windows users.
>>Plug-N-Play being the most notorious culprit of linux hardware related
problems.
>>
>That's odd......I find linux RUNS ide DRIVES AS FAST if not faster
>than the mentioned MS product....I use NT a lot and it seems better
>than 95 in general using FAT16.....I run multiple smaller partitions
>to keep cluster sizes down....The FS you use IS THE MAJOR factor
>in determining drive access speeds....Study the numerous writeups
>in books about Linux native ext2...NT's NTFS, FAT16 , W9x's FAT32's
>and OS2's HPFS....to name a few..Each file system has its pro's and
>cons depending on the drive size, partition setup, # of drives, and
>r/w accessing. LINUX handles most hardware much better than W95
>and does just as good as NT with drives, videos, and NIC's...Cheers
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Mulhearn)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
Date: 27 Jan 1999 22:35:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Keith G. Murphy wrote:
>Andy Mulhearn wrote:
>>
>[cut]
>> >
>> >The funny thing is that graphical systems have become even harder to use than
>> >CLI systems in recent years -- there are just so many gestures you have to
>> >learn to get things done, and no way to discover them without a manual, and
>> >nobody ships manuals any more.
>> >
>>
>> This is an interesting comment and one with which I can't help but agree. I
>> had to show one of the project managers where I work how to create entries
>> in a Notes Discussion database. This is clearly not rocket science and
>> Notes is not hard to use but an otherwise competent and intelligent PM had
>> to be shown how to do it.
>>
>Apparently Notes is exceptionally bad. Look at
>http://www.iarchitect.com/lotus.htm.
>
As a regular Notes user (4.5 years of development and sys admin) there are
some interesting points on this link. Unfortunately the main points
(double click vs single click for example) are badly balanced by some very
bad innacuracies (reply toall, address books, mail send amongst others) and
making the mistake that Notes is only for sending mail.
>When I see Microsoft's latest offerings, I truly believe that we have
>entered the Baroque Era of Interface Design.
M$, and most others seem to have missed the point that all software is
unusable if you don't understand the BASIC concepts behind it. In the PM
example, the guy just simply did not understand how a discussion group
works. That, and some concern over not appearing a little thick, was the
real problem. As a result I've come to the conclusion that most, if not
all, software will never be intuitive.
Andy
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:03:32 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.0-pre9 and kerneld
http://www.linuxhq.com/ - "Moving up to 2.2 - upgrade guide"
--
[Replies: remove the dot(s)]
"Everything is permitted. Nothing is forbidden."
WS Burroughs.
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From: Yasir Hassan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NEWBIE: I can't build kermit on Red Hat 5.1
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:43:46 +0000
I down loaded kermit
(ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku192.tar.gz), uncompressed
into a new directory /usr/local/bin/kermit and typed in "make linux".
The build failed with the following output from make:
Making C-Kermit "6.0.192" for Linux...
IMPORTANT: Read the comments in the linux section of the
makefile if you get compilation or link errors.
make wermit "CC = gcc" "CC2 = gcc" \
"CFLAGS = -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG \
-DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND " \
"LNKFLAGS = " "LIBS = -lcurses -ltermcap"
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/bin/kermit'
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcmai.c -o ckcmai.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckucmd.c -o ckucmd.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuusr.c -o ckuusr.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus2.c -o ckuus2.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus3.c -o ckuus3.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus4.c -o ckuus4.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus5.c -o ckuus5.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus6.c -o ckuus6.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus7.c -o ckuus7.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuusx.c -o ckuusx.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuusy.c -o ckuusy.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckwart.c -o ckwart.o
gcc -o wart ckwart.o -lcurses -ltermcap
./wart ckcpro.w ckcpro.c
14 states, 61 actions
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcpro.c -o ckcpro.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcfns.c -o ckcfns.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcfn2.c -o ckcfn2.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcfn3.c -o ckcfn3.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuxla.c -o ckuxla.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckucon.c -o ckucon.o
gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK
-DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckutio.c -o ckutio.o
In file included from /usr/include/linux/net.h:23,
from /usr/include/linux/fs.h:15,
from ckutio.c:668:
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:38: warning: `SCM_RIGHTS' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:216: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:41: warning: `SOCK_STREAM' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:40: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:42: warning: `SOCK_DGRAM' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:43: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:43: warning: `SOCK_RAW' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:45: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:44: warning: `SOCK_RDM' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:47: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:45: warning: `SOCK_SEQPACKET' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:50: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:46: warning: `SOCK_PACKET' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:54: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:53: warning: `AF_UNSPEC' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:82: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:54: warning: `AF_UNIX' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:84: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:55: warning: `AF_INET' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:86: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:56: warning: `AF_AX25' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:87: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:57: warning: `AF_IPX' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:88: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:58: warning: `AF_APPLETALK' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:89: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:59: warning: `AF_NETROM' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:90: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:60: warning: `AF_BRIDGE' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:91: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:61: warning: `AF_AAL5' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:92: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:62: warning: `AF_X25' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:93: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:66: warning: `AF_MAX' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:103: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:69: warning: `PF_UNSPEC' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:58: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:70: warning: `PF_UNIX' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:60: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:71: warning: `PF_INET' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:62: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:72: warning: `PF_AX25' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:63: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:73: warning: `PF_IPX' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:64: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:74: warning: `PF_APPLETALK' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:65: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:75: warning: `PF_NETROM' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:66: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:76: warning: `PF_BRIDGE' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:67: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:77: warning: `PF_AAL5' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:68: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:78: warning: `PF_X25' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:69: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:82: warning: `PF_MAX' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:79: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:88: warning: `MSG_OOB' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:137: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:89: warning: `MSG_PEEK' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:139: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:90: warning: `MSG_DONTROUTE' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:141: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:92: warning: `MSG_PROXY' redefined
/usr/include/socketbits.h:145: warning: this is the location of the
previous definition
In file included from /usr/include/linux/vfs.h:4,
from /usr/include/linux/fs.h:14,
from ckutio.c:668:
/usr/include/asm/statfs.h:20: parse error before `__kernel_fsid_t'
/usr/include/asm/statfs.h:20: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or
union
/usr/include/asm/statfs.h:23: parse error before `}'
In file included from /usr/include/linux/net.h:23,
from /usr/include/linux/fs.h:15,
from ckutio.c:668:
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:9: redefinition of `struct sockaddr'
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:14: redefinition of `struct linger'
/usr/include/linux/socket.h:26: redefinition of `struct msghdr'
ckutio.c: In function `ttsspd':
ckutio.c:4679: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function)
ckutio.c:4679: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
ckutio.c:4679: for each function it appears in.)
ckutio.c:4685: `TIOCSSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function)
ckutio.c: In function `ttgspd':
ckutio.c:4833: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function)
ckutio.c: In function `in_chk':
ckutio.c:6092: warning: passing arg 3 of `select' from incompatible
pointer type
ckutio.c:6092: warning: passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible
pointer type
make[1]: *** [ckutio.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/bin/kermit'
make: *** [linux] Error 2
I would really appreciate some help on making this build.
Thanks in advance,
Yasir Hassan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.M. Paden)
Subject: Re: Linux - Where To Start???
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:44:42 GMT
"Paul Bunchuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I m totally new to Linux my experience is with Windows and NT. Where to I
>start? I want to install Linux and start learning it. In particular I am
>looking for a list of fies to dwnld for the OS and where to get them.
>
Visit the following site. It is an online sixweek (free) course on
basic linux and will have the needed pointers to get you started.
http://basiclinux.hypermart.net/basic/index.htm
Although you can download all the files, you will find it a great deal
easier to spend a small amount for a CD. Cheapbytes usually has
extremely reasonable prices. You should also be sure to install the
newest version of the stable kernel V.2.2.0. which is just being
released. It should be available on CDs shortly.
Regards,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"The last temptation is the greatest treason:
To do the right deed for the wrong reason."
--T.S. Eliot
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From: Mike Wittek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Looking for software on the Net
Date: 27 Jan 1999 14:50:24 PST
All;
Where are some good places on the Internet to find software for Linux
and its RPM, free or not? This can be a directory of places too.
Thanks,
--
Mike Wittek | Vacaville, California
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.thelair.cnchost.com
"Democracy isn't just the best form of government; It's the only
one even remotely worth a damn. Only democracy guarantees that people
get what they deserve." --Zena Marley
DISCLAIMER: All that I write is my own opinion, and my opinion may not
be the opinion of my school or electronic courier. For that matter, it
may not be your opinion, but deal with it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M Sweger)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise
Date: 27 Jan 1999 21:53:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sam E. Trenholme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: However, IMO, both of these features are fluff. A cheap video card can be
: had for $10 to $30, and will allow a PC-based motherboard to boot. It is
: no more difficult to cart around a PC monitor and keyboard than it is to
: cart around a serial terminal.
: My server does not have a keyboard nor monitor connected 99% of the time,
: and, when I need to directly get at the console, I simply grab a keyboard
: and monitor that is on a rooling cart, attach it to the computer, and do
: activities on the console.
But what about this scenario. If I make linux a printerver without
any video card and I do a reboot of that box, I take it from this
thread that it'll hang. I don't want to put a video, keyboard and
monitor on it. The same applies to it acting in a network gateway
scenario or router. What I'd like to do is user another PC,
that has a keyboard,monitor etc running Linux and telnet from this PC to
the other linux box (wthout a console) and login in and configure that
printer server/router/gateway. This will save on the amount of hardware I'd
have to buy,maintain/fix and occupying space.
If a video card is really needed on the other machine, then I'd say
linux needs to be fixed so that this isn't a requirement, but that
in the situtation I need to get direct access using a console, that
at boot I can manually tell Linux that the console is present.
--
Mike,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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