Linux-Misc Digest #347, Volume #19 Sun, 7 Mar 99 10:13:23 EST
Contents:
swapon -s: /proc/swaps: No such file or directory (Dieter Rohlfing)
Re: Problem (David Kirkpatrick)
Re: How does rpm check dependencies? (Wolfgang Oelke)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Robert Krawitz)
make xconfig ("Georges Heinesch")
Re: Cannot Remove LILO from MBR (W R Carr)
Re: Ls command (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: best offline newsreader? (William Wueppelmann)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Johan Kullstam)
RH5.2 / PS/2 Mouse w/KVM Swtich & X (John T. Studt)
Re: Help! Netscape carshes my system (Jimmy Navarro)
Re: Berkeley DB (Milos Prudek)
Re: best offline newsreader? (Michael Fleming)
Re: best offline newsreader? (Michael Fleming)
Move to RH 5.2 Linux (Bill Voight)
Re: stupid tar question (Mircea)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dieter Rohlfing)
Subject: swapon -s: /proc/swaps: No such file or directory
Date: 6 Mar 1999 20:36:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The command 'swapon -s' should show a swap usage summary by devices, but
if I type it on the bash prompt, I only get the following message:
swapon: /proc/swaps: No such file or directory.
I have the proc filesystem installed, but no entry /proc/swaps. Where is
the switch to get /proc/swaps? TIA.
Dieter Rohlfing
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From: David Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:31:22 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Norbert,
What are you doing? Are you installing doing the disk setup
or just what are you asking?
d
Norbert Kraiczy wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> When I'm run fdisk then I see following:
> [Wenn ich fdisk starte und p (print) waehle sehe ich folgendes:]
>
> /temp/hda1/ .....................
> /tem/hda2/ ........................
> /temp/hda3/ ................
> etc.
>
> [Was ist passiert und wie komme ich zurueck zu:]
> What's happend ? What is the best way to following (true) parameter:
>
> /dev/hda1/ .....................
> /dev/hda2/ ........................
> /dev/hda3/ ................
> etc.
>
> Norbert
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From: Wolfgang Oelke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How does rpm check dependencies?
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:35:22 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Siegel) wrote:
>I've just tried to install the latest version of GQview, and rpm
>complained about several library files.
>
>All the library files are located in my /usr/local/lib, and they are
>cached by ld.so.
>
>How can I convince rpm that they're present?
Try "rpm --nodeps -i package_name".
Wolfgang
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Date: 07 Mar 1999 09:03:32 -0500
"David A. Frantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Robert Krawitz wrote in message ...
> >"David A. Frantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >For better or for worse, the latter statement is not true, and it's
> >becoming less and less true. If your goal is to run Oracle, Informix,
> >DB/2, Sybase, or what have you, binary compatibility is essential.
>
> Yes this is true in the context of shrinked wrapped applications. However
> the application, as I understood it, involves largely custom code so a
> recompile should not be a big thing. Even if I misunderstand the usage a
> bit, the requirements for the machine seem to demand a dedicated processor
> so the chance of using shrinked wrapped software on it is slim.
The example I gave involves heavy (indeed, primary) use of off the
shelf commercial software.
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--Eric Crampton
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Date: 07 Mar 99 15:10:45 +0100
From: "Georges Heinesch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: make xconfig
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
After untarring the linux-2.2.1pre2 (m68k), 'make xconfig' failed. The
docs say that tk must be installed.
Since 'make xconfig' works in /usr/src/linux-2.0.33pl1, I assume that
tk is installed.
What's the reason that 'make xconfig' fails?
stderr:
fs/Config.in: 148: bad if condition
make[1]: *** [kconfig.tk] Error 1
make: *** [xconfig] Error 2
stdout:
rm -f include/asm
( cd include ; ln -sf asm-m68k asm)
make -C scripts kconfig.tk
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.1pre2/scripts'
cat header.tk >> ./kconfig.tk
./tkparse < ../arch/m68k/config.in >> kconfig.tk
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.1pre2/scripts'
fs/Config: 148:
if [ ! \( "$ARCH" = "i386" -o \
\( "$ARCH" = "ppc" -a \
\( "$CONFIG_MACH_SPECIFIC" = "n" -o "$CONFIG_PREP" = "y" -o \
"$CONFIG_CHRP" = "y" \) \) \) ]; then
Is that the problem?
I didn't find any patch in the mailinglist.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (W R Carr)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Cannot Remove LILO from MBR
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 14:14:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 07 Mar 1999 08:48:38 GMT, Cevher Dogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>SNIP<<
>I had run autoboot.bat and partitioned the first drive! to have boot
>partitition on the first drive as was recommended. The process never
>asked me to have the second drive partitioned and used named
>such as for example to get used for /usr/local or /software!!!
>I think RedHat's FIPS is never better than Slackware's fdisk
>and I am not sure if they are compatible. Offcourse after choosing
>the software, there was an unattended installation period for the time
>for the software to be installed. After I came back I saw that 6
>packages left and warning no diskspace left. After the whole thing,
>I could not reboot directly from HDD to Linux (because the install was
>incomplete I guess)... I reboot using the floppy but then I could
>not be able to see the c: drive at all. I could go there but cannot
>do dir which is reasonable because it is not FAT DOS format.
>
>I installed the HDD as secondary on different computer and tried
>to reformat it there and couldn't. The same reason! Then I put the
>RedHat CD and used FIPS off of that. IT IS VERY BAD THAT, FIPS
>gave me the following info: Checking root sector... Partition table
>inconsistency... Unknown file system 83h. It happened for other
>two partition as well. So it saw the partitions right but could not
>identify the format!!!!?????
>
>Then, I tried to boot to Linux with my earlier boot image disk
>and it saw the drive when booting (was on secondary IDE as master)
>and idetified it as hdc1 hdc2 hdc3. But I couldnot fdisk hdc!!!!!????
>I am in thougher situation now, and all wanted to do is to load
>and have a happy LINUX ONLY PC.... I appreciate any help or
>pointers you can provide.
>
>Sorry for the lengthy email. Thanks for your time...
(1) fips and fdisk do not do the same thing. Fips resizes DOS
partitions. Fdisk creates/deletes/modifies partitions.
(2) You haven't mentioned the brand of EIDE controller you have
installed in your system. If you have installed a Promise Ultra-33,
be sure that you system contains the code to support it.
(3) So, you can actually boot from your floppy drive? DOS fdisk will
still see all partitions in your system even if they are not DOS
partitions. For instance, it will see an OS/2 partition as an NT
partition. For both my Linux root partition and swap partition, fdisk
says "Non-DOS", but they are there.
(4) Have you checked the jumpers on your hard drives? With all the
changing around you have done, maybe you forgot to set the correct
jumper for master or slave? Also, if you have an older motherboard,
you could be having a problem with WHERE your 2nd hard drive is
connected. I recall that I was not able to "find" a hard drive
connected to my secondary EIDE controller when there was a CDROM
drives as slave on the primary controller. That problem was in both
DOS & Linux. Maybe you just need to rearrange your hardware.
(5) Once you have all drives visible to linux, the problem of running
out of space is no longer a problem. When SETUP asks you where to
mount the second hard drive, tell it the mount point will be /usr.
That will take a major load off the main drive. Of course you will
have to fdisk and mke2fs that drive, first . . .
Hope something in here was helpful.
Raymond Carr
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Ls command
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:38:34 GMT
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:38:17 +0800, Chris Severn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|About the colour "ls" command.
|
|I've got it on my system, but I like to use "ls -al" to list files, and so
|often the list is larger than the screen, and hence I have to pipe it to a
|pager. But, more and less seem to destroy the colours which ls puts in.
|Does anyone know of a way of allowing the colours to get through the pager,
|or a different pager which does work ?
'less' lets you do this by specifing the option '-r' ( 'r' for raw ).
You can make this permanent by setting an environment variable
in your .bashrc or .bash_profile like this:
export LESS='-r'
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 21:49:19 GMT
In our last episode (Sat, 6 Mar 1999 03:26:21 -0800),
the artist formerly known as Richard Latimer said:
>Richard Steiner wrote in message ...
>
>When I was reading messages in a Microsoft newsgroup about
>Office 2000 beta, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the messages were html
>with stationary and pics in the signatures.
That's not a good thing. HTML messages often double the size of the
message body (or triple it, because it gets sent twice -- once as
text/plain, once as text/html). And does it add anything to the content or
organization? Does it really make news any nicer or easier to read?
>One day I was moving thru a thread about broken sound support
>in MS Outlook when a voice came out of my computer, "What's
>the problem!" I like it.
Sure, that's cute. For a time. But if you had to make a choice between
being able to efficiently score, organize and process usenet posts or hear
the odd sound file, which do you choose? I have a TV and a VCR for passive
entertainment purposes, and they serve their purposes well.
>all of these feats inside Outlook or with Outlook Express.
>
>There are several ways to cause people to upgrade. One is to
>stop supporting something, say take support for a.out binaries
>out of the kernel. Another way is to use features that would re-
>quire users to upgrade or be left out, such as html in messages.
I'm overjoyed to be left out. Besides, posting HTML messages violates
Usenet ettiquette, and is especially annoying to people who pay per minute
for connectivity.
>Computing gets gooey-er everyday and there isn't much anyone
>can do to stop it. It's too much fun.
But someday, somewhere, someone will want to get some actual work done.
I've heard a theory that one of the reasons for the decline in the quality
of peoples' writing over the past few years is the widespread use of GUI
word processors. They theory goes that people started having so much fun
and spending so much time playing around with fonts and alignment and other
gooey things that they stopped devoting time to the actual content of their
document. The World Wide Web suffered the same fate some years ago. Now,
as the total number of documents increases, the total number of useful
documents seems to be holding steady, or even shrinking. The GUI isn't an
inherently bad thing, but with the rise of the GUI, the focus has shifted
away from what a computer can do to what Microsoft terms the "user
experience." I don't want to experience my computer. I want to make it do
stuff.
--
William
It is pitch black. You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 06 Mar 1999 17:52:43 -0500
Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Oh, really? What about if my job consists of applying several
> processing operations in turn to a series of records? Suppose several
> of those operations require random-access lookups against very large
> lookup tables? If my system is an SMP or NUMA, I lose big time by
> sequencing the processing steps, because I can only use one
> processor. This kind of job can really take advantage of an SMP, but
> it eats memory like a pig. If I'm using an RDBMS such as Oracle, the
> database will chew memory also if I have to do big joins. And
> databases such as Oracle and Informix and DB/2 are quite capable of
> taking advantage of multiprocessing capability.
> I'm really not interested in arguing whether or not QCD or finite
> element analysis should be done on Intel boxes. What I'm talking
> about is something very different.
ok. i stand corrected. i will accept your points.
however, if you really need to have 7 GB of memory, it would make
sense to get a machine that can handle it. i do not think 32 bit
intel would be a good choice. if nothing else, the kernel would have
to keep track of oversize pointers in order to manage the memory. it
would a lot of trouble to do right and i don't think it can be done
right with the i386 arch.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John T. Studt)
Subject: RH5.2 / PS/2 Mouse w/KVM Swtich & X
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:18:57 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I run into the problem time and again:
I have 4 machines on a KVM switch. If I'm in XWindows, and I switch away
from Linux, then back, the Mouse won't respond.
I CAN get it to respond by shutting DOWN X, and restarting it.
Also: If I try to shutdown, it "hangs", until I flip the KVM switch back
& forth once just for LINUX.
Anyone run into the problem? Any work-arounds? Anything I'm doing
wrong?
Thanx - John
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From: Jimmy Navarro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help! Netscape carshes my system
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 14:46:11 -0800
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I had NC 4.5 but put 4.07 which a lot more stable. and haven't experienced
crashing yet. Even NC 4.5 at my work's WinNT also crashes so it doesn't
matter which OS platform. My only comment with Linux X Window it's fonts
aren't that sharp-edged and contrast has to be maximum.
Guy Rodnay wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is the story:
> I use netscape 4.5, RedHat 5.0 with 2.032 kernel, libc-2.0.7-19 and
> Xfree86 3.3.1-14.
>
> When browsing some sites which uses java, like
> http://www.exlmarket.co.il for example, X starts allocating memory
> (including the 128Mb swap space) till you kill netscape or until the
> system freezes (yes! total crash!).
> How can I restrict the amount of memory allowed for a user? Can I save
> some memory of root so I can kill such processes?
> I see that there is a file /etc/security/limits.conf which might do the
> trick, but what parameter should I use?
>
> This does not happen very often, but it makes me look bad after I show
> off with my linux system and tell every one how better of NT it is.
>
> Thanks,
> -Guy.
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I had NC 4.5 but put 4.07 which a lot more stable. and haven't experienced
crashing yet. Even NC 4.5 at my work's WinNT also crashes so it doesn't
matter which OS platform. My only comment with Linux X Window it's
fonts aren't that sharp-edged and contrast has to be maximum.
<P>Guy Rodnay wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Hi,
<P>This is the story:
<BR>I use netscape 4.5, RedHat 5.0 with 2.032 kernel, libc-2.0.7-19 and
<BR>Xfree86 3.3.1-14.
<P>When browsing some sites which uses java, like
<BR><A HREF="http://www.exlmarket.co.il">http://www.exlmarket.co.il</A>
for example, X starts allocating memory
<BR>(including the 128Mb swap space) till you kill netscape or until the
<BR>system freezes (yes! total crash!).
<BR>How can I restrict the amount of memory allowed for a user? Can I save
<BR>some memory of root so I can kill such processes?
<BR>I see that there is a file /etc/security/limits.conf which might do
the
<BR>trick, but what parameter should I use?
<P>This does not happen very often, but it makes me look bad after I show
<BR>off with my linux system and tell every one how better of NT it is.
<P>Thanks,
<BR>-Guy.</BLOCKQUOTE>
<PRE>--
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From: Milos Prudek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Berkeley DB
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:07:26 +0100
> >How do I find out what version of Berkeley DB is installed on my Linux?
>
> See the db.h include file ... DB_VERSION_MAJOR etc.
There's no DB_VERSION_MAJOR or DB_VERSION in there. The file is dated
Dec 16, 1996, and comment at the beginning of the file says "8.7
(Berkeley) 6.16.94"
The reason behind my question is sendmail 8.9.3, which prefers Berkeley
DB 2.
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Milos Prudek
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Fleming)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: 6 Mar 1999 22:54:19 GMT
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I'm glad Richard Latimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said this and not me..
> Stan Barr wrote in message ...
>
> >Yes, but I have no desire look at pictures or play sounds......
>
>
> That's my point. Unix users apparently are quite happy with
> the console and plain text.
Some of us use X in combination with a good window manager or common
desktop environment.
I'm also using a console mode reader (slrn, with xterm/mouse handling mind
you!) in an X11 session with Window Maker running.
> The rest of the world has moved
> on to other things.
Define "the rest of the world". Have they "moved on" by choice or because
a Marketing department is pushing the notion that it is the One True Method
of Modern Computing.
> To move out of the server closet and onto the desktop, Linux
> will really need to offer the features that Windows users take
> for granted.
Like multiple reboots, "wizards" (idiots more like..) and Office apps that
try to be everything when the user will more than likely use less than 10% of
the functionality anyway.
>
> >Anyway my system gets the newsgroups in the middle of the night so
> >that its all waiting for me to read over my breakfast coffee, who
> >wants to wait around for stuff to download ;-)
>
>
> If it works for you, that's great. Your personal worth is in no way
> compromised. However, your contentment means there is one
> less person participating in the development that would/will make
> Linux a success on the desktop.
How so?
> If you are a knowledgeable Linux user, then you are a resource
> that is needed for that development.
Because he's happy with one area of Linux doesn't preclude him from actively
adding to Linux's development.
> Have you ever used a Win95/98 system?
Have you ever used a Linux system? (Actual day-to-day usage, not the "I have
x distros of Linux here and have looked at them once" BS we get here
increasingly from the clue-impaired and trolls..)
Your cliched image of Linux being some arcane console-only server OS suggests
you're not terribly familiar with Linux as it is now..
I've used Windows from v3 to Win98, and Linux wins hands down on sheer speed,
stability and functionality (slrn makes my old Win32 reader, Agent, look
fairly average in terms of features, and it's a "console app".)
>
> richard
Michael Fleming
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Fleming)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: 6 Mar 1999 23:01:39 GMT
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I'm glad William Wueppelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said this and not me..
> In our last episode (Sat, 6 Mar 1999 03:26:21 -0800),
> the artist formerly known as Richard Latimer said:
> >Richard Steiner wrote in message ...
> >
> >When I was reading messages in a Microsoft newsgroup about
> >Office 2000 beta, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the messages were html
> >with stationary and pics in the signatures.
>
> That's not a good thing.
Agreed, hence I drop HTML and multipart/alternative messages on the server
floor. So do many large ISPs like Mindspring.
> HTML messages often double the size of the
> message body (or triple it, because it gets sent twice -- once as
> text/plain, once as text/html). And does it add anything to the content or
> organization? Does it really make news any nicer or easier to read?
If you have one of the two or three readers out there that can grok HTML you
might see some pretty colours and fonts, but the message remains the same -
shit is still shit, even when it has a bow tie on it. ;-)
"Rich text" formats on usenet aren't worth the extra CPU cycles, storage
space and bandwidth, and I'll bet London to a brick that a large percentage
of news server admins agree with me.
Michael Fleming.
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From: Bill Voight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Move to RH 5.2 Linux
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 18:08:57 -0500
Sports fans,
I'm the Unix SA at Amtrak HQ. We have a national network of mostly
NT4.0 servers. I've been asked to write a paper on the implications of
moving to RH5.2 on both servers and desktops for a major component of
our organization. I have no more details, I can only say this came from
my boss. He's reasonably technically savvy, but more than that, he's
reliable and generally accurate as hell. I think this means that it's
likely to happen in one form or another (yahoo!).
I want to make a balanced presentation, so I'm soliciting input. I'm
especially interested in hearing from anyone who's done this sort of
thing, but all comments, advice, opinions are welcome.
If there's a large response, I apologize in advance for cluttering the
newsgroups. I don't plan to answer all responses, but I'd like to thank
all who answer right now.
If the move takes place I'll try to post brief synopses of the results.
Again, thanks
BV
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: stupid tar question
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 09:29:15 -0500
Or, even better,
tar zxf filename.tar.gz
Cheers,
MST
William Wueppelmann wrote:
(...)
> zcat file.tar.gz | tar xf -
>
> instead of gunziping file.tar.gz and then untarring file.tar.
>
> --
> William
> It is pitch black. You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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