Linux-Misc Digest #411, Volume #19 Thu, 11 Mar 99 08:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: problem upgrading util-linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux behind MS Proxy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Gnome 1.0 bugs (Alexander Sirotkin)
Re: Database for Linux (gus)
Re: AOL Instant Messanger for UNIX ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: rpc.mountd and rpc.nfsd killed and restarting automatically
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Public license question (John Hasler)
Modem Init String (Cengiz Oezcan)
Re: Public license question (Stephan Schulz)
Re: Linux Video Card -- Simple Question (Student)
Re: best offline newsreader? (Neil Durant)
who problems ("asdf")
Re: Epson Stylus 640 : RH5.2 okay here (Kingsley G. Morse Jr.)
Re: Probably Dumb Newbie Linux/NT Question (Igor Zlatkovic)
Re: Can't run Java applets - Linux (Tov Are Jacobsen)
Re: More bad news for NT (Harry)
Re: Can't run Java applets - Linux (Tov Are Jacobsen)
how to mount ftp-connection (peter)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: problem upgrading util-linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:23:16 GMT
Eric Brager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Getting an annoying error that when trying to upgrade the util-linux rpm
> on redhat-5.2 / i386
> # rpm -Uvh util-linux-2.9-0.i386.rpm
Can you rpm -qlp util-linux-2.9-0.i386.rpm with no problems ?
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux behind MS Proxy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:29:03 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Edward Lee
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How to setup RedHat 5.2 behind Microsoft Proxy Server 2.0?
I am in the same boat. MSproxy is supposed to support SOCKS but I have had
zero success in getting beyond it using SOCKSified apps.
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From: Alexander Sirotkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Gnome 1.0 bugs
Date: 11 Mar 1999 11:32:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just installed GNOME 1.0 on my RH 5.2 system and already have
discovered a handful of bugs. Just wondering if this is the
way they released it or I'm having a configuration problems:
1. when running some of the utilities I get the following error:
[root@borjch ~]$ gftp
gftp: error in loading shared libraries
/usr/lib/libgdk-1.2.so.0: undefined symbol: __register_frame_info
2. when I hide the task bar I get very weird graphical effects at the
bottom of the sceen - when I have an open window, near it's bottom
side (which would be normally obscured by a taskbar) there are some
blinking effects which may be very beutiful but somehow unusual :)
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From: gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Database for Linux
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:51:58 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Christopher Browne wrote:
[snip]
>
> The author of gtk_pizza (SteveOC; see <http://www.iweb.net.au/~steveoc>)
> did a port of it to mySQL, after having written it originally to use
> PostgreSQL.
>
> He did some performance testing, and found (this from postings on the
> Linux ERP mailing list) that:
>
> - "mySQL is about 10% quicker when doing big straight lookups. (select
> 15000 records from 1 table showing all orders, format the output nice
> and pretty, and load them into a list box)"
> - "Doing slightly complex things causes mySQL to bog down - select
> distinct item_code from order_details (no index on item code). Postgres
> crunches 80000 records in 8 seconds flat, mySQL does the same query in
> 34 seconds with lots of disk munching."
> - "Running the sales report (see
> http://www.iweb.net.au/~steveoc/gtk_pizza.html) which needs to do lots
> of data munching, postgres gets the same job done in about half the time
> that mySQL takes."
>
> In terms of reliability, mySQL doesn't seem to be nearly as
> sophisticated in its handling of failures as PostgreSQL.
>
> His conclusion:
>
> "the much vaunted 'performance' of mySQL over postgres is a figment of
> someone's beta testing. In a real life environment, I cannot see that
> mySQL is significantly faster."
>
> --
> Linux is obsolete
> (Andrew Tanenbaum)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
I have to differ and question this response.
Basically it is not fair. I have never used either MySQL nor PostgreSQL
but am very confident with Sybase and other databases.
The reality is that for any database there are numerous factors which
have to be configured, tuned, or understood before you can optimally use
a database. Just by example, an SQL query in Sybase will almost *always*
run slower in Oracle. Why? because the Sybase optimiser finds no
significance in the order in which the tables appear in the "from"
clause of a statement, but Oracle puts a lot of weight in that. Thus,
while a Sybase programmer will just throw the tables in to a join, the
Oracle programmer will carefully order the tables for the best
optimisation. There are quirks like this in all DBMS's, and any
experience in one DBMS tends to make you less competent in another DBMS.
So, it is not fair to simply port an application "so that it works" on
another DBMS. You need to basically re-visit all the code and
specifically optimise it for the DBMS you are using. Unless you have
people equally competent in each DBMS handling the port from one to the
other, any benchmark would be meaningless.
Witout going on too much, I am confident that it is possible to write
identical statements on an access database and on a mainframe database
where the access database has better response because it works better
for the access database than the mainframe one.
I am *always* sceptical of performance comparisons between database
management systems.
gus
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AOL Instant Messanger for UNIX
Date: 10 Mar 1999 23:54:03 GMT
In his obvious haste, eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
: Hi,
: I was wondering if AOL Instant messanger for unix will work with
: Linux, more specific, Slackware 3.6?
Is it available as source code, so it can be compiled for Linux?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.ous.linux.setup
Subject: Re: rpc.mountd and rpc.nfsd killed and restarting automatically
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:47:18 GMT
Having investigated the issue, I don't get any error messages whatsoever...
Bizarre. Really need to solve it. Any ideas??
Thanks in advance
Shay Tochner
In article <7c6028$n40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi mates!
>
> I have three Linux RedHat 5.2 machines running.
>
> On one of the machines which has the original 5.2 installation mountd and
> nfsd work properly and can be seen both by rpcinfo -p and by the K20nfs
> -status etc.
>
> The other 2 machines were "enhanced" with the informix needed patches
> *.(2.0.36-07kfd.rpm).
>
> Those machines fail to start nfsd and mountd although perfectly configured
and
> portmap running.
>
> Any attempt to run exportfs or any other "restart" etc. results in a display:
> rpc.mountd: no process killed
> rpc.nfsd: no process killed
>
> The bizarre phenomena is that if I run /etc/rc.d/rc2.d/K20nfs status I get a
> different pid for the processes each time I run them - rapidly increasing
> number!!!
>
> rpcinfo -p shows only the rpcbind processes.
>
> Any ideas?? Does it have to do anything with the patches?? I guess this is
> the only difference I can think of.
>
> Needless to say that I can't mount those files (directories or cdrom) from
any
> remote machine.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Shay Tochner
> International Systems Support Specialist
>
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:53:30 GMT
> If this sounds unconvincing to you, either think about it for a while or
> read up on it on any modern book on cryptography.
It is perfectly convincing to me, as I am well aware of the principles
involved. Try to explain them to a court.
> Now tell me why I am not allowed to distribute a totally random string of
> bits just because someone has another string of bits that will transform
> my string into a copyrighted work?
For the only reason that really matters: a court would probably say so, in
the unlikely event that such a case ever came to trial. Judges tend to
believe in "common sense", and common sense says that if you can get the
copyrighted work out of the string it must be in there.
--
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From: Cengiz Oezcan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Modem Init String
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:16:20 +0100
Hi modem gurus,
my ISP tells me that I have to send a certain init string to
my modem and even gives me the sring. Can somebody please
tell me ho to send an init string to a modem in linux?
(I run suse 5.2)
TIA
Cengiz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephan Schulz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: 11 Mar 1999 12:17:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If this sounds unconvincing to you, either think about it for a while or
>> read up on it on any modern book on cryptography.
>
>It is perfectly convincing to me, as I am well aware of the principles
>involved. Try to explain them to a court.
I'd rather not, except as an expert witness with a fat honorary.
>> Now tell me why I am not allowed to distribute a totally random string of
>> bits just because someone has another string of bits that will transform
>> my string into a copyrighted work?
>
>For the only reason that really matters: a court would probably say so, in
>the unlikely event that such a case ever came to trial. Judges tend to
>believe in "common sense", and common sense says that if you can get the
>copyrighted work out of the string it must be in there.
Yes, you are very probably right. Now lets turn back to the orignal
question...
I argue that it makes sense (Note: I do not argue legal reality here -
as far as I know there are no precedence cases yet) that if the only
purpose of A is to be combined with B into a running program, then it
does not matter if the user or the programmer combines A and B -
distributing A+B is covered by copyright, and since B (the key or
library) is already out there, distributing A alone is equivalent to
distributing A+B.
Stephan
========================== It can be done! =================================
Please email me as [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephan Schulz)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Student)
Subject: Re: Linux Video Card -- Simple Question
Date: 11 Mar 1999 12:12:18 GMT
Benjamin Sher ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) tried to convey the following message:
: A simple question:
: I have an NEC Pentium 166 MMX, 64 meg RAM. ATI video card, AztechLab sound
: system.
: Do I need something called an X accelarator (made by X Inside or Metro-Link
: or whoever) or does my system already come with that?
It depends on your video card. Most older cards are supported directly by
X, these drivers accelarate when needed.
Greetings,
der Joachim
--
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The Netherlands
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From: Neil Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:05:33 +0000
In article <7bnr9t$ce8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Latimer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>For those Linux/Unix users offering advice on news readers,
>you would be better able to understand what newbies are
>looking for in a newsreader if you sat down at a Win setup
>and played with the free newsreader that comes with Win98,
>i.e., Outlook Express.
[Deletia]
>Now that you have an idea of what you can do with simple freebie,
>ask yourself why there is nothing remotely as capable for the
>Linux/Unix user. Unix is over twenty years old and cannot consume
>the output it serves up anywhere near as well as MS products do.
However, unfortunately Outlook Express falls massively short of being
a decent email client / newsreader for a countless reasons...
* its limitations in mail and news filtering (e.g. x-posted articles)
* its broken line wrapping when wrapping at 76 characters
* a strange tendency for the default character set to change from
Western to UTF-7 or User Defined without warning
* lack of a search facility for news
* no support for BinHex encoding so if a message from a Mac user has an
attachment, you have to install a third party decoder software
to be able to read it
* no proper way of removing an attachment before a message is saved
* if an article or mail message includes an attachment which is not at
the end of the message (a perfectly normal and legitimate situation),
OE decides to bundle up all the text following the attachment into a
series of extra attachments
* very limited bulk decoding of attachments, and the combine & decode
of multi-part messages does not automatically order article parts that
arrive out of order in the way a proper news client should
* MIME seriously broken in too many ways to list here
* quoting doesn't work properly with Quoted Printable text (this failing
dates back to OE's predecessor, Internet Mail & News)
* if a message contains more than a certain number of mailto links,
clicking on one produces the amusing error that the software is not
properly installed (Knowledge Base Article Q182985)
* if you digitally sign and encrypt a message, but later edit it before
sending, it gets sent without a DID or encryption. This is a serious
security risk - Microsoft are aware (Knowledge Base Article Q171288)
but seem reluctant to fix the bug with the urgency it deserves
This list goes on and on.... It's as though Microsoft had never
heard of Internet standards, RFCs, standard protocols etc.
However, it looks quite nice, and doesn't require a brain to use it.
It's sad that so many users don't appreciate the true requirements of
a news client, and are so easily fobbed off by a sexy user interface.
Neil
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Reply-To: "asdf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "asdf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: who problems
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:20:57 -0800
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Hello there, I'm having problems with the "who" program, It works in very
strange ways, such as:
1. only right after bootup, the first login.
2. after exiting from 1st login, "who" does nothing, "who
/var/run/utmp" does nothing, "who /var/log/wtmp" does nothing.
3. once it told me that there was 3 root's logged in (no network or
tty's open) even when there was only one.
What can be the problem? I upgrading my system (Slackware 3.5) to a sort of
Frankensteined system (Linux-2.2.3, glibc-2.1, and all newer packages). I
upgraded the "who" that came with Slackware, to the one found at
ftp.gnu.org. Can someone help me?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kingsley G. Morse Jr.)
Subject: Re: Epson Stylus 640 : RH5.2 okay here
Date: 10 Mar 1999 15:55:58 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
>What I *don't* know is how to really test the colors and resolutions. All
>three drivers seem to work fine. --- John
My testing with and correspondence about the Epson Stylus Color 800 is
that some colors are too dark and gray. Perhaps you'll notice the same
when you try to print something with dark blue in it. Mine comes out
looking like blue with a black haze over it.
Thanks,
Kingsley
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From: Igor Zlatkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Probably Dumb Newbie Linux/NT Question
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:41:02 +0000
I don�t know about earlier kernels, but 2.2.0 and higher have NTFS filesystem
driver. The driver reads NTFS 4 partitions with no problems, including
compressed directories. Check your /lib/modules/....... and see if ntfs.o is
allready there. If it is, just try to mount a NTFS partition. If not, you
will need to build it from the kernel sources. ( I doubt that ntfs is
compiled in the kernel ).
I�m using it every day and have seen no error till now. Write support is also
there, but is not well tested yet and is dangerous to use. Make a backup of
your ntfs partition if you plan to write there from Linux.
NTFS 5 (Windows NT 5 / Windows 2000) is not supported, as far as I know, but
that is only matter of time :-)
Igor
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From: Tov Are Jacobsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.help
Subject: Re: Can't run Java applets - Linux
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:20:45 +0100
Ben Sandler wrote:
>
> I added it, but that did not help. I also noticed that appletviewer
> gives that same series of errors whether or not the file I give it
> exists.
>
Make sure that the jar file for Netscape is not in your CLASSPATH.
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Tov Are Jacobsen
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:15:39 -0500
> Par for the course, old boy! They can dish it out, you think they
> can't take it? Let 'em hang, I say!
Just as long as people don't imagine the reason I defend NT is that
I make a good living from it ... <g>
Harry
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From: Tov Are Jacobsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.help
Subject: Re: Can't run Java applets - Linux
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:24:14 +0100
Ben Sandler wrote:
>
> I am running Linux 2.0.34 (redhat 5.1), netscape 4.5, and jdk 1.1.7 from
> blackdown.
The setup wich works for me is to not set a CLASSPATH at all in the
.bash_profile to keep Netscape happy, and then I have a little script
for each project I'm working on to set my development enviroment.
Here is a simple example:
JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/java/
PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin
JSDK_HOME=/home/tovj/java/JSDK2.0
CLASSPATH=$JAVA_HOME/lib/classes.zip:/home/tovj/agent/utvikling:/home/tovj/java/JSDK2.0/lib/jsdk.jar
PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/java/bin
export JAVA_HOME JSDK_HOME CLASSPATH PATH
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Tov Are Jacobsen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (peter)
Subject: how to mount ftp-connection
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:37:24 GMT
I want to mount, lets say ftp.myhost.anywhere as /mnt/myhost
I tried the following entry in /etc/fstab
ftp.myhost.anywhere:/ /mnt/myhost nfs
rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid,rsize=8192 0 0
but when trying
mount /mnt/myhost
I get the following error:
mount: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive
on myhost there is setup anonymous ftp.
maybe anyone can tell me if mounting ftp ist possible, how it can be
done, what I�m making wrong !
thanks in advance
peter
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