Linux-Misc Digest #411, Volume #26 Mon, 27 Nov 00 23:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: For a Guru: Shutdown Problem (Robert Heller)
Re: Windows Manager and Desktop Enviroment ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
financial Freedom:-) ("Sally Rutherford")
talk on linux6.2 (morpheus_w)
Re: D-Link Networkcard DEF 530TX ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: mp3 player with Linux support ("Jan Schaumann")
Re: ipchains vs. iptables for firewalls?? (Jonathan)
dd over ethernet (Mandrake 7 User)
Re: ipchains vs. iptables for firewalls?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: half life (linux) ??? some one please tell me how does it work - (Glitch)
dual boot system boots neither -- partition table corrupt? (long) (Mandrake 7 User)
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: For a Guru: Shutdown Problem
Date: 27 Nov 2000 20:19:12 true
Leo Cambilargiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:53:16 -0200, wrote :
LC> Hello All:
LC>
LC> This message is about a peculiar error which I don't have any idea about.
LC>
LC> OK here it is:
LC>
LC> I shut down the system as recommended (ctl+alt+del which invokes shutdown
LC> -h now declared in /etc/inittab)
LC>
LC> Everything works well until after the KILL signal is sent and the
LC> filesystem is to be unmounted.
LC>
LC> I have 4 partitions plus swap which work in my system.
LC>
LC> hda2 is root /
LC> hda3 is swap
LC> hda5 is usr /usr
LC> hda6 is home /home
LC> hda7 is root /root
LC>
LC> For some reason /usr does not get unmounted because the "device is busy".
LC>
LC> I hacked /etc/rc.d/init/halt and added "ps aux" and "df" after the unmount
LC> command to see what process was f*cking up my system's perfect shutdown
LC> procedure.
LC>
LC> If memory serves this is the output
LC>
LC> [init] perhaps this is the program the kernel first starts??
Yep. Once init dies, the system is in fact down. You will note that it
has a PID of 1 (always!).
LC> [k.something] ditto
LC> [another.something] ditto
Something like this?:
root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Nov 18 0:02 (kflushd)
root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW< Nov 18 0:05 (kswapd)
root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Nov 18 0:00 (md_thread)
root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Nov 18 0:00 (md_thread)
LC> ps aux program to get this info up
LC> bash shell executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/halt
LC>
LC> df confirms that root and /usr are not umounted.
LC>
LC> There doesn't seem to be any problem during the next bootup as no fsck is
LC> run over a partition which 'hasn't been properly unmounted'. But I have to
LC> ask any guru out there, what could possibly be happening?
Are you logged in when you do the shutdown? Have you set things to fire
up X11 at boot time?
It sounds like some random process is still in the process of run-down
when the umount happens. This happens sometimes.
The system actually handles this properly: the system re-mounts 'busy'
file system Read Only, which effectively does a sync and does everything
that umount would do, except actually unmounting the file system. This
way, when the system in fact does the halt, the file system is 'clean'.
LC>
LC> thanks in advance
LC>
LC> Leo Cambilargiu
LC>
LC>
LC>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows Manager and Desktop Enviroment
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:55:17 GMT
>>>>> "DKong" == Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DKong> Hi, Few things that I'm a little confused. Let me attempt
DKong> to tell you want I know (hopefully it's correct) and what I
DKong> don't know and want to know. If what I thought I knew is
DKong> incorrect information, PLEASE CORRECT ME.
Your understanding seems to be reasonably good; only a few minor
things to "tweak."
DKong> I understand that:
DKong> 1) X Windows, (a.k.a. X server, X, etc.) is a graphical entity
DKong> that runs on many different Unix (and many of Unix's variants,
DKong> Linux included) systems. Many programs that requires GUI needs
DKong> X Windows to be running first, in order for it to run, eg.,
DKong> netscape. There are many different X Windows systems
DKong> available, some are free, XFree86 in particlular, and some are
DKong> commercial, Accerlerated X for example.
Strictly speaking, it should be called "X11," or "The X Window
System," or something else that doesn't put an "s" at the end of the
word "Window." Remember that "Windows" is a trademark of Microsoft
:-(.
Programs that require graphical services require that an X server be
running; the program will connect to the X server to request graphical
services, just as Netscape might connect to a web server to request
web services.
DKong> 2) There are something called the Windows Manager (eg., Windows
DKong> Maker, After Step, fvwm, fvwm2, enlightment, sawfish, etc), and
DKong> Desktop Enviroment, a.k.a., Graphical Enviroment (eg., KDE,
DKong> GNOME, etc), which runs on top of the X Windows. These
DKong> "programs" helps the user to manage X Windows and gives a
DKong> consistent and user-friendly interface between the computer and
DKong> the user.
DKong> My questions is: 1) What is the difference between a Windows
DKong> Manager and a Desktop/Graphical Enviroment. 2) What would be a
DKong> good suggestion, Windows Manager or Desktop/Graphical
DKong> Enviroment. 3) And finally, which Windows Manager or which
DKong> Desktop/Graphical Enviroment should I use.
A _Window Manager_ is a program that manages the edges of the windows.
The "desktop environments" don't really have a single _clear_
definition; there are about 4 directions we could go in:
1. GNOME/KDE represent a set of libraries providing [hopefully]
useful services such as XML parsing, interprocess communications,
and GUI widgets, that make it easier to build sophisticated
applications.
2. They are _visible_ in the form of the applications written that
_use_ those libraries.
3. Part of the "promise of the future" is for these "DEs" to provide
protocols, supported by the libraries, to allow Drag'n'Drop of
objects from one application into another, with some hope of the
objects getting suitably "packaged" so that they can be "suitably
unpackaged" for use.
The protocols are more-or-less there; what may not yet be is the
ability to usefully "translate" data. [e.g. - Supposing you drag
an entry from an address book app into a spreadsheet, what should
it do? Create a new sheet? Drop the data into 1 cell? Grab just
the address, formatting it nicely on 4 lines? What if I'm
building a phone list, and would like to just pull names and phone
numbers? Inquiring minds remain ready for answers...]
4. The DEs provide some protocols, supported jointly by libraries and
by _certain_ window managers, that provide some integration of
information between WM and the DE "panels."
For instance, there's some integration between GNOME and [for
instance] the Sawfish window manager whereby you can have a little
applet on the "GNOME Panel" that lists all of the virtual
desktops, and allows you to switch between them by clicking on the
applet.
For this to work, there have to be several applications
intercommunicating together:
-> You're running GNOME Panel, and are running the "Window Manager
Applet" that runs inside it;
-> You're running Sawfish, or some other WM that the "WM applet"
knows how to communicate with.
This works for Sawfish and several other window managers; it is
not manifestly obvious that this is a _crucial_ and _compelling_
piece of functionality that should cause you to stand and cheer:
"Wow! Isn't GNOME cool!!!!"
It rather feels to me like a bit of functionality that is kind of
slick, but which I wouldn't lose much sleep over if it weren't
there.
The stuff that tends to get trumpeted about is the little bits of
"integration" like item #4, but that does NOT seem to me to represent
a compelling reason to use GNOME/KDE.
The compelling reason for an "ordinary user" to install GNOME/KDE, I
would suggest, is if there are some of the applications ("item #2")
that you find useful.
For GNOME, the nearest thing to a "killer application" is, at this
point, Gnumeric, which is a very nice spreadsheet package, with
GnomeCal [Calendar app] and GnomeCard [Address book] being
not-too-distant "pretty useful tools."
For KDE, the "killer app," as far as I'm concerned, is the "Konqueror"
web browser, and some swear by the IDE tool KDevelop.
Beyond that, there are all sorts of "little tools," and the
perpetually-mature-soon-now word processor packages that Aren't Quite
There Yet. Add to the list a whole bunch of mail and news readers
that largely represent Someone's Latest Experiment. Personally, I
don't care to look to a new mail client until someone gets around to
building GNOME-MH :-).
--
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<http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/xdesktop.html>
Where do you want to Tell Microsoft To Go Today?
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From: "Sally Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: financial Freedom:-)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:09:29 GMT
READ THIS NOW AND GET MONEY FAST!!!
EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS!!! If you need
money read this VERY
CAREFULLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SERIOUSLY NO SCAMS! LOTS OF CASH, FAST AND COMPLETELY LEGAL, THIS REALLY
WORKS!! THIS REALLY CAN MAKE YOU EASY MONEY!! IT WORKS!!! BUT YOU HAVE TO
FOLLOW IT TO A LETTER FOR
IT TO WORK!!!!
A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are
now, and came across an article similar to this that said you could make
thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00!
So I thought,"
Yeah, right, this must be a scam", but like most of us, I was curious, so I
kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and
address stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in
the bottom of the list at
#6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands)
No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a few
people first, I thought about trying it. I figured what have I got to lose
except 6 stamps and $6.00, right? Like
most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal
aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office
(1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Then I invested
the measly $6.00. Well GUESS
WHAT!!... within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked!
I figured it would end soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my first
week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had made a total
of over $1,000.00!
In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now
my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's
still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps. Let me
tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works....also, make
sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information
off of it as you need it.
STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece
of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and
place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen
through the envelope to prevent thievery. Next, place one paper in each of
the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each
with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a
$1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service by this. THIS IS
ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! Mail the 6 envelopes to the following
addresses:
#1) Alice, 3204 SW Mitchell Ct., Portland, OR 97201
#2) Ike, 2900 Canby Ct., Northfield, MN 55057
#3) D. Gerow, P.O. Box 579574 Modesto, CA 95357-9574
#4) James Hart, 5003 Raffee Cove Austin, TX 78731
#5) A. Newmeyer, 1135 Michigan Ave. Apt B-20, East Lansing, MI 48823
#6) Sally Rutherford, 67 Afton Cres. Maple, Ont. L6A-1H5 (Canada)
STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other
names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number
6 on the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this
article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to
at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 24,000 groups) All you
need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you make!
DIRECTIONS ---HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS----
Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag
your
cursor to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the edit menu.
This will copy the entire letter into the computers memory.
Step 2) Open a blank "notepad" file under accessories in windows and place
your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select
'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can
add your name to the list.
Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do your
postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to go back to.
Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for various
newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.)
Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new message
by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit
menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as
they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click the
post message button. You're done with your first one!
Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different
newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about
30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN,
THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200**
That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the world within days!
You may eventually want to rent a P.O.Box due to the large amount of mail
you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to
use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE
ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.**
Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5
replies (a very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the
letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM
200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of
the
original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200
MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an
additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM
200 with my
name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional
$626.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a
MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies,
that just made me
$3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200
newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups
react I will receive $15,625,00! With an original investment of only $6.00!
AMAZING! When your name is no
longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and
send out another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6
again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is, do you realize
that thousands of people all
over the world are joining the internet and reading these articles everyday,
JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works??
I think so... People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one
sends you the
money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are tons
of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and
newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at
20,000 to 50,000 new
users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual internet.
Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. Thanks for
participating!!!!!!!!
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From: morpheus_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: talk on linux6.2
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:30:03 -0000
i had checked the manual of talk, how can i respond the talk request? it
seems that the depiction in manual don't work at all! (My linux version is
redhat 6.2)
The question is: how to respond the request ?
Thanks advance !
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: D-Link Networkcard DEF 530TX
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:20:24 GMT
no I actually have that card right now. I run Slackware tho, and it auto
configures my network and detects my card. However, I do know that that
D-link card uses the via-rhine driver. I'm POSITIVE of that. Chris
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Before you buy.
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From: "Jan Schaumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mp3 player with Linux support
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:39:12 -0500
* "Ralph Blach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there an MP3 player with decent linux support. Ie, I can the files
> from linux to the player easily
Your question is hard to understand, at leas the second part. However,
for any application you might want for linux, try
http://www.freshmeat.net and/or http://www.linuxberg.com
You might be interested in xmms.
>
> --
You sig-delimiter is wrong - it should be "-- " and not "--".
-Jan
P.S.: fup2 comp.os.linux.misc and NOT to comp.os.linux.hardware, since
this has no relation whatsoever to hardware.
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
Win98 error 009: Erroneous error: Nothing is wrong.
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From: Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: ipchains vs. iptables for firewalls??
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:29:17 GMT
In article <M2hU5.36717$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.security Bo Berglund
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And, is there a kernel package for RH6.2 with the new kernel?
> > Or do I have to compile it myself (I did not plan on installing any
> > compilers on this box, for security reasons).
> > Any help appreciated.
>
> There's a 2.4 snapshot (test6) in the /preview directory of RH 7.0,
> and all of the packages on the cd are high enough versions to work
> with 2.4. If you plan on migrating a RH 6.2 system to a new kernel
> series, you should plan on updating numerous packages. See the kernel
> release notes and the README in the preview directory for the gory
> details.
>
> The short answer, however, is that a fresh install of RH 7.0 followed
> by an immediate install of the new kernel patches is your easiest
> route. Once 2.4 is official, you'll probably want to compile it
> yourself again, but that's relatively painless.
>
> --
> Matt Gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
I think I only had to upgrade Redhat 6.2's modutils and rename
conf.modules to modules.conf for 2.4 test9 to work.
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From: Mandrake 7 User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,alt.linux
Subject: dd over ethernet
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:44:11 GMT
Can anyone tell me how to backup a complete hard disk with dd?
Specifically, I have a small HD in my laptop and lots of free partitions
on my desktop. They have network cards and I have successfully
transferred files between them. However, for a complete backup I
want to just dump the whole laptop hard disk onto the backup hard disk
in the desktop.
In fact, right now I *must* back up this way since I can't access the
linux partition on the laptop at all. Maybe partition table
corruption. So the backup prog to do the above should run from floppy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ipchains vs. iptables for firewalls??
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:52:30 GMT
In comp.os.linux.security Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think I only had to upgrade Redhat 6.2's modutils and rename
> conf.modules to modules.conf for 2.4 test9 to work.
I haven't gone through the package list piece-by-piece, but I suspect
you got lucky.
--
Matt Gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:00:16 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: half life (linux) ??? some one please tell me how does it work -
vedanta barooah wrote:
>
> hi,
> i downloaded a 35.5 mb tarball of half-life full version from
> download.com - i have only a 28k dial-up connection and you can
> understand how long it took me :-( . but it does not seem to work ...( or
> i am not able to figure out how to put it to work..) i will be greatly
> thankfull if someone would show me how to do it. some good url would also
> be usefull.
>
and you want us to do this w/o even knowing what the problem is? You
must think we are very good.
how about providing some error messages?
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From: Mandrake 7 User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: dual boot system boots neither -- partition table corrupt? (long)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:48:43 GMT
My laptop came with Windows 95 (which worked fine) and I wanted to
make it dual-boot with Linux-Mandrake. It does not boot any more.
Here's the story:
I used fips to shrink the Win partition and then fdisk (or cfdisk,
I'm not sure; that was months ago now) to create Linux and swap
partition.
The first problem appeared right away: Win95 would not boot any
more. It never has since then. I can't reinstall it since the
laptop has no CD drive.
So I went ahead with installing Linux in the empty partitions.
After weeks of aggravation (caused by the need for a network
install, since there's no CD drive) that finally worked. Linux was
finally installed, configured and personalized.
Finally, after setting up booting with LILO (in the MBR) and
including an entry for Windows I wanted to see if Win95 would work
again. It did not, of course. LILO would try to load it, and no
part of Win95 would ever load. So I thought I'd try a DOS
bootsector in the MBR. After all, I can always boot Linux from
floppy, and then rerun lilo. Or so I thought. After "FDISK /MBR"
from a DOS floppy, Win would still not boot. I thought, "OK,
forget Windows for a few months and put LILO back in."
And then the trouble began. Linux would not boot any more either.
I used the bootdisk made with mkbootdisk. It offers to boot from
/dev/hda6 (rather odd, since there are only 3 partitions), then
loads linux from floppy anyway. Then after some activity without
access to floppy or HD, it detects the HD, sees the correct number
of partitions thereon (3), and hangs about 1 second later.
The last messages on the screen are:
autorun ...
... autorun DONE.
attempt to access beyond end of device
03:06: rw=0, want=2, limit=0
dev 03:06 blksize=1024 blocknr=1 sector=2 size=1024 count=1
EXT-fs: unable to read superblock
attempt to access beyond end of device
03:06: rw=0, want=33, limit=0
dev 03:06 b
/dev/hda6
VFS: Can't find an ext2 filesystem on dev 03:03.
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3,
or too many mounted file systems
Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/root 3019 2264 602 79% /
/dev/hda1 253920 -42328 296248 -16% /x
Disk /dev/hda: 64 heads, 63 sectors, 525 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 4032 * 512 bytes
Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 * 1 1 127 256000+ 6 DOS 16-bit
>=32M
/dev/hda2 262 262 524 758016 83 Linux native
/dev/hda3 733 733 148 42336 82 Linux swap
Any help is greatly welcome!
Thanks!
(Sorry if you see this post twice; My news service was down and tells me
to repost.)
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