Linux-Misc Digest #411, Volume #25 Fri, 11 Aug 00 00:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: RH6.2 install from /dev/hdb2/ (Paul Lew)
What would cause disk thrashing while idle? (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: those damn ^M characters from win files... ("Shahriar Mohktari")
virtual memory and mysql-3.22.32 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How to copy a diskette? (Dances With Crows)
Re: GNOME CONTROL STRIP VANISH ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Couldn't open Netscape (Bob Martin)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Christopher Browne)
Re: System troubles (Dances With Crows)
Middlecritters in Prolog... (Christopher Browne)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Christopher Browne)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Christopher Browne)
Re: very slow, any ideas? (David M. Cook)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Subject: Re: RH6.2 install from /dev/hdb2/
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:19:37 GMT
On 10 Aug 2000 22:29:25 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
> having used slakware for 12 months, and having bought the RH6.2 CD,
>my attempts to install fail:
> 1. make boot floppy; type for CD or HD loading = OK
> 2. boot and answer options up till:
> shows /dev/hda1/ and allows directory to be entered
> " where base and RPMS are located"
>
>I've put all the files { about 5 } in base; and some in the RPMS dir.
> -- just as a sample, in a directory of /dev/hdb2/.
>
>NB. this is a linux partition, and I copied the files via slackware,
> with their full named.
>
>During the boot procedure's big scrolling trace, I can see than the
>/dev/hdb2/ has been recognised - it shows the makers ID.
>
>So why can't I set the 'from directory' to :
> /dev/hdb2/.....as required ?
>
>Does RH6.2 want the base and RPMS stuff to be in /dev/hda1/ ?
>Must it be in FAT16 format ? Then what about the long file names ?
>
>
>Thanks for any answers/advice also emailed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Chris Glur.
>
My linux stuff in on hdb; hdb1 is my swap partition and the root starts at
hdb2. hda1 is all nt4 in ntfs.
Does slackware prompt for destination drive for the install? and when
the /dev/hda1 was displayed, were you able to change it to /dev/hdb2 like
you wanted???
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: What would cause disk thrashing while idle?
Date: 11 Aug 2000 02:13:25 GMT
I have a 233Mhz Intel PC with voodoo1+Stealth
Rarely run lpd, httpd is brought up occasionally, 4 VCs
I usually bring up Windowmaker with 4 desktops
Use kppp to dial, and netscape to surf. Prefernces in nscape are: 10M for
cache & 10M for memory cache. Once in a while XMMS. Later on I exit XMMS,
disconnect XMMS.Then I forgot to exit Netscape. I leave the PC in X, do
some stuff around the house away from the PC. Suddenly you hear it firing
up, that annoying noise the hard drive makes when it gets busy, the
loadmeter shows green turning yellow and then red and stays that way
while the thrashing builds up. My keyboard becomes useless, the thrashing
continues, and the only way to get back to a usable state is to turn the
thing off. WHat would cause this? I am beginning to suspect it's Nscape
4.61 because it seems to be the only thing open.
ANy help would be appreciated. I am on Mandrake 6, with kernel 2-2.13mdk
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??
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From: "Shahriar Mohktari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: those damn ^M characters from win files...
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:34:57 -0400
> Use the oldest UNIX tool that was made just to remove extra
> control code:
>
> col -xb < infile > outfile
>
> --
> Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
I personally use the sed command. the command
sed 's/.$//w newfile' dosfile
creat newfile "unix" file from original "dosfile"
Shahriar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: virtual memory and mysql-3.22.32
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:39:55 GMT
I am trying to do a make and I get a virtual memory exhausted error
message. I rebooted interactively and said no to all but two choices
and I still get the message. I have 64 megs of ram and a swap file
that is 253 megs. What must I do to solve this problem.
John Miller
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: How to copy a diskette?
Date: 11 Aug 2000 02:55:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:07:06 -0500, Robert Jones wrote:
>Dances With Crows wrote:
>> The bs= option there is for speed; 1.4M floppies have 18K/track. Using
>> the default bs of 512 bytes takes almost 2.5 times longer. If it helps,
>> think of dd as doing what they call a "sector copy" in DOS.
>
>Very enlightening. Only problem is, I tried copying my rescue image (which I
>already have on my hard drive, along with some other images) using
>[root@localhost rj]# dd if=/images/rescue.bin of=/dev/fd0H1440 bs=18k
>[root@localhost rj]# dd if=/images/rescue.bin of=/dev/fd0H1440 bs=9216
>[root@localhost rj]# dd if=/images/rescue.bin of=/dev/fd0H1440
>[root@localhost rj]# dd if=/images/rescue.bin of=/dev/fd0H1440 bs=1440k
>and the times were virtually identical for all four. (~49 secs from pressing
>the return key until my prompt came back). Am I missing something, or is your
>timing result based on something you once saw, perhaps running different
>hardware or a different kernel? I'm serious!
Different hardware. My laptop (P-150, 48M) sees a lot more floppy
action than my desktop (K6-2 400, 96M) so one day I did this:
**LAPTOP**
time dd if=crud of=/dev/fd0
real 1m39.262s
time dd if=crud of=/dev/fd0 bs=18k
real 0m48.524s
**DESKTOP**
time dd if=crud of=/dev/fd0
real 0m48.517s
time dd if=crud of=/dev/fd0 bs=18k
real 0m48.428s
YMMV, eh? (OK, it's not quite 2.5x longer, more like 2x. Oops.) The
bs= part is obviously a very good thing for older, slower hardware!
><snip the <RANT>, too. I was saving mine for Carl's notion of BEGGING someone
>with Win9x> ;-)
"HTML needs a <RANT> tag." --Alan Cox.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Tyranny is always better organized
http://www.brainbench.com / than freedom.
=============================/ ==Charles Peguy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GNOME CONTROL STRIP VANISH
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:57:25 GMT
You might have click on the arrow on the side of the bar. The bar
slides left and right depending on which side you click on . Look for
a little arrow on the side. iIf your desktop is bigger then you
screen you will need to move the pointer to one side or the other to
cause the desktop to slide over. I have had the desk top problem for
quite a while.
Good luck
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:36:31 GMT, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The control strip at the bottom and side of the gnome desktop has
>vanished. Does anyone know how to fix this. I had this problem before
>and can't remember how I fixed it. Thanks everyone...
>
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Couldn't open Netscape
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:58:36 +0000
"ywk@SuSE" wrote:
>
> sorry about that, I did try to use command line
> it came up to say
> "Bus error"
> same thing happen to other users too
> I recognize the problem that was just after Staroffice 5.1 version
> installed
> any clue?
>
> ywk
OK that's better, posting details will help. Go to the suse site and
search their support database for "bus error". installing SO has
probably cuased a problem with C libs
--
Bob Martin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:02:16 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>Christopher Browne wrote:
>> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>> >Christopher Browne wrote:
>> >> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when John Hasler would say:
>> >> >How could Debian "exploit" the GPL (or anything else)? Do you understand
>> >> >what Debian is?
>> >>
>> >> Indeed. I'd find it interesting just what systems are supposedly not
>> >> "exploiting" anything. It's pretty common for comments like this to come
>> >> from "BSD trolls;" the fact that BSDI bought out Walnut Creek, and
>> >> IBM bought WhistleJet demonstrate that the "BSD world" is not immune
>> >> to commercial attempts to "exploit" BSD code either.
>> >
>> >I just checked Linuxmall.com. Debian shows up in a box, with a $17.95
>> >price tag right next to it.
>>
>> The question is, who is it that's getting the $17.95.
>>
>> It is _not_ The Debian Project.
>>
>> >Sure. *BSD are making money too. But they do allow the developers to
>> >keep their codes proprietary; just a tiny bit more option for the
>> >contributors- in my fscking opinion. :-)
>>
>> Since the author retains rights to license his or her own code under
>> whatever arrangements they wish, I'm not sure what additional option
>> they _actually_ get.
>>
>> >> >> ...where you no longer has any rights to.
>> >> >
>> >> >Wrong. I still own the copyrights on my stuff and only I can distribute
>> >> >the software under any license other than the GPL.
>> >>
>> >> ... Which is the _fascinating_ thing about the GPL, and also the
>> >> most-misunderstood...
>> >>
>> >Maybe I've misinterputed the GNU-GPL a little, but life is a non-stop
>> >learning process. Right!?
>> >
>> >I'll re-read the GNU-GPL again. Maybe I'll agree with you later, or
>> >maybe not. It all depends on how you interpute the language written in
>> >the lisence. Common fools like me read differently than bean-counters,
>> >or lawyers... Or GNU-GPL gurus...
>>
>> Read the GPL looking for clauses that indicate that they are binding
>> on the author.
>>
>> You won't find any, because if you are the _author_, the GPL _doesn't
>> bind you._
>>
>> That is an _essential_ fact that keeps getting missed.
>>
>Geez! Did I opened up a can of worms!? :P
I don't see any worms. Of the Morris variety or otherwise...
>> For something like the Linux kernel, that has hundreds if not thousands
>> of authors, the GPL winds up being pretty binding overall, as people
>> give Linus Torvalds code that _they_ have released under the GPL, thus
>> binding him to release it under the GPL.
>
>Is that why we keep getting the "Kernel de jour?" :-0
No, the more-or-less-weekly kernel update occurs because a lot of
changes get contributed in.
>> In contrast, if I am the sole author of GnomoVision, the Ever Cool DVD
>> Player that runs on Linux, I can simultaneously release it licensed under
>> the GPL, and, based on my rights as author, simultaneously release it
>> under the Studly License, where in order to use it, you have to send me
>> $5000 and a greeting card that says that I'm A Stud, as well as under
>> a license whereby Be Software pays me $500,000, and then is allowed to
>> include a GnomoVision DVD in their boxed sets of BeOS.
>
>I'm no stub or even macho. I'm a whimpy NOBODY. But self-confident and
>self-secure by default. :-)
>
>I give up playing music and video on pc already. A stand alone hardware
>home player is mutto better
>than any pc based player. And it's actually not costing any much more
>either. A decent DVD stand alone home player can be had for about
>$300-$400US. And can play music CD, CDV, have AC-3, DTS, etc. Not to
>mention without the annoying fans noises, HDDs spinning noises etc,
>coming out from the pc.
>
>And NO computer based sound reproduction set up can even come remotely
>close to the sound quality of my home sound system. (Yes, I'm one of
>those *real* audiophile, high-end audio snob.) ;-)
>
>I NEVER pay more than US$100. for a video card, since I NEVER care about
>games.
You miss the point. The specific name of the application, the nature
of the application, do not matter in the slightest. As mentioned
below, some of this is _a bit silly_.
>> Some of those options are somewhat silly, but legally viable.
The point, that evidently you're too enamoured with making fun of the
idea of a DVD player app to recognize, is that whatever the application,
whether a DVD player, or text editor, or accounting system, or web cache,
or whatever, the author has the ability to release the code simultaneously
under the GPL as well as under whatever other licenses he or she wishes
to use.
One might release under the GPL to provide something hobbyists may
be interested in, whilst also having a ROMed version configured for
deployment embedded in "appliance" devices, as well as having a third
license for "expensive, royaltied source that allows customization"
usable for those that like the GPLed code, but don't want to need to
release sources that the GPL would mandate.
That precise scenario has reportedly been the case for Aladdin
Ghostscript, which is dually released under GPL as well as other
'private' license arrangements, and I suspect that it's also the case
for the Cygnus Ecos RTOS.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
The difference between a child and a hacker is the amount he flames about
his toys.
-- Ed Schwalenberg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: System troubles
Date: 11 Aug 2000 03:05:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:41:16 -0400, Robert Schweikert wrote:
>Something is wrong with my system but I have no clue what could be going
>on and I need some help. Here are the symptoms:
>- System hangs every now and so often, for example it just hung when I
>brought up netscape
>- When I compile code, such as the kernel or gcc (which doesn't work at
>all) my CPU load drops to zero at what appears to be random occasions.
>If I wait long enough the system will hang, if I kill the compile
>process I get something like the following:
>make[3]: *** wait: No child processes. Stop.
[snipp]
>- Generally I would say I have a better chance of getting stuff compiled
>after a reboot, as opposed to having the system up and running for a
>while.
>- When trying to compile gcc-2.95.2 I get the farthest right after a
>reboot.
>- Get SIG11 sometimes when compiling (not consistently) I have tried a
>different (new) memory stick, that did not help.
>Troubles also existed using the 2.2.16-3 kernel which I installed via
>rpm from RH.
I had very similar problems with a cheap-arse K6-2/Microstar CPU/mobo
combination. After replacing/upgrading almost everything, I found that
the motherboard was flaky, as the CPU consistently pulls 2-week uptimes
(lightning storms, trying out BSD, the occasional M$ document StarOffice
can't parse) and can compile 5 kernels in a row without SIG-11ing--on a
relatively new EpoxMVP3G2 mobo.
You most likely have a hardware problem, and since you replaced the RAM
and nothing changed, it's either a CPU or a motherboard thing. Pull one
of the CPUs and put the machine through a torture test (compiling a
kernel or five should do it :-] ) Swap the CPUs and do it again. If
both CPUs give the same lockup, you've got a motherboard problem. If
only one of them gives those results, you have a bad CPU.
If you're overclocking, *DON'T*. You know why overclocking and
stability don't mix....
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Tyranny is always better organized
http://www.brainbench.com / than freedom.
=============================/ ==Charles Peguy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Middlecritters in Prolog...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:17:40 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when John Hasler would say:
>blowfish writes:
>> Gee. You want me to dig through dejanews?
>
>I don't care if you root around in a pile of old leaves in your back yard.
>Produce a quotation.
I think he probably is alluding to an article I suggested that it was
as appropriate to consider that the Finnish government was a middleman
as it was to consider Debian was a middleman.
In Prolog, that would be expressed as the rule:
?- middleman_status (X, finland) :- middleman_status(X, debian).
When combined with _my_ belief (and yours) that Debian wasn't
a middleman, we get the fact:
?- middleman_status(false, debian).
That results in the inferrence that...
?- middleman_status(false, finland).
Of course, when we head into the "Blowfish Environment," where:
?- middleman_status(true, debian).
... the rule leads to the conclusion:
?- middleman_status(true, finland).
Showing this more concretely:
Welcome to SWI-Prolog (Version 3.3.0)
Copyright (c) 1993-1999 University of Amsterdam. All rights reserved.
For help, use ?- help(Topic). or ?- apropos(Word).
?- assert(middleman_status(finland, X) :- middleman_status(debian, X).
?- assert(middleman_status(debian, false).
?- middleman_status(finland, X).
X = false
Which is your conclusion and mine.
But heading over to the "blowfish" assertion...
?- retract(middleman_status(debian, false)).
?- assert(middleman_status(debian, false).
?- middleman_status(finland, X).
X = true
Script done on Thu Aug 10 22:09:47 2000
[By the way, figuring out that you need to put assert() procedures
around lots of stuff was _very irritating_ as it was not well
documented.]
Methinks we could have _great_ fun by using an inference engine
to analyze some of the more nonsensical postings...
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/linux.html>
You can lead a horse to water, but if you can get him to swim on his
back, you've got something.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:18:00 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>Christopher Browne wrote:
>> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>> >Christopher Browne wrote:
>> >> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when John Hasler would say:
>> >> >How could Debian "exploit" the GPL (or anything else)? Do you understand
>> >> >what Debian is?
>> >>
>> >> Indeed. I'd find it interesting just what systems are supposedly not
>> >> "exploiting" anything. It's pretty common for comments like this to come
>> >> from "BSD trolls;" the fact that BSDI bought out Walnut Creek, and
>> >> IBM bought WhistleJet demonstrate that the "BSD world" is not immune
>> >> to commercial attempts to "exploit" BSD code either.
>> >
>> >I just checked Linuxmall.com. Debian shows up in a box, with a $17.95
>> >price tag right next to it.
>>
>> The question is, who is it that's getting the $17.95.
>>
>> It is _not_ The Debian Project.
>>
>> >Sure. *BSD are making money too. But they do allow the developers to
>> >keep their codes proprietary; just a tiny bit more option for the
>> >contributors- in my fscking opinion. :-)
>>
>> Since the author retains rights to license his or her own code under
>> whatever arrangements they wish, I'm not sure what additional option
>> they _actually_ get.
>>
>> >> >> ...where you no longer has any rights to.
>> >> >
>> >> >Wrong. I still own the copyrights on my stuff and only I can distribute
>> >> >the software under any license other than the GPL.
>> >>
>> >> ... Which is the _fascinating_ thing about the GPL, and also the
>> >> most-misunderstood...
>> >>
>> >Maybe I've misinterputed the GNU-GPL a little, but life is a non-stop
>> >learning process. Right!?
>> >
>> >I'll re-read the GNU-GPL again. Maybe I'll agree with you later, or
>> >maybe not. It all depends on how you interpute the language written in
>> >the lisence. Common fools like me read differently than bean-counters,
>> >or lawyers... Or GNU-GPL gurus...
>>
>> Read the GPL looking for clauses that indicate that they are binding
>> on the author.
>>
>> You won't find any, because if you are the _author_, the GPL _doesn't
>> bind you._
>>
>> That is an _essential_ fact that keeps getting missed.
>>
>Geez! Did I opened up a can of worms!? :P
I don't see any worms. Of the Morris variety or otherwise...
>> For something like the Linux kernel, that has hundreds if not thousands
>> of authors, the GPL winds up being pretty binding overall, as people
>> give Linus Torvalds code that _they_ have released under the GPL, thus
>> binding him to release it under the GPL.
>
>Is that why we keep getting the "Kernel de jour?" :-0
No, the more-or-less-weekly kernel update occurs because a lot of
changes get contributed in.
>> In contrast, if I am the sole author of GnomoVision, the Ever Cool DVD
>> Player that runs on Linux, I can simultaneously release it licensed under
>> the GPL, and, based on my rights as author, simultaneously release it
>> under the Studly License, where in order to use it, you have to send me
>> $5000 and a greeting card that says that I'm A Stud, as well as under
>> a license whereby Be Software pays me $500,000, and then is allowed to
>> include a GnomoVision DVD in their boxed sets of BeOS.
>
>I'm no stub or even macho. I'm a whimpy NOBODY. But self-confident and
>self-secure by default. :-)
>
>I give up playing music and video on pc already. A stand alone hardware
>home player is mutto better
>than any pc based player. And it's actually not costing any much more
>either. A decent DVD stand alone home player can be had for about
>$300-$400US. And can play music CD, CDV, have AC-3, DTS, etc. Not to
>mention without the annoying fans noises, HDDs spinning noises etc,
>coming out from the pc.
>
>And NO computer based sound reproduction set up can even come remotely
>close to the sound quality of my home sound system. (Yes, I'm one of
>those *real* audiophile, high-end audio snob.) ;-)
>
>I NEVER pay more than US$100. for a video card, since I NEVER care about
>games.
You miss the point. The specific name of the application, the nature
of the application, do not matter in the slightest. As mentioned
below, some of this is _a bit silly_.
>> Some of those options are somewhat silly, but legally viable.
The point, that evidently you're too enamoured with making fun of the
idea of a DVD player app to recognize, is that whatever the application,
whether a DVD player, or text editor, or accounting system, or web cache,
or whatever, the author has the ability to release the code simultaneously
under the GPL as well as under whatever other licenses he or she wishes
to use.
One might release under the GPL to provide something hobbyists may
be interested in, whilst also having a ROMed version configured for
deployment embedded in "appliance" devices, as well as having a third
license for "expensive, royaltied source that allows customization"
usable for those that like the GPLed code, but don't want to need to
release sources that the GPL would mandate.
That precise scenario has reportedly been the case for Aladdin
Ghostscript, which is dually released under GPL as well as other
'private' license arrangements, and I suspect that it's also the case
for the Cygnus Ecos RTOS.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
The difference between a child and a hacker is the amount he flames about
his toys.
-- Ed Schwalenberg
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:18:34 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when John Hasler would say:
>Bernd Paysan writes:
>> In fact, anarchy often means the contrary of freedom.
>
>No, but it is frequently misunderstood (sometimes deliberately) as meaning
>that.
One of the more "anarchistic" places, loosely speaking, these days,
appears to be Somalia. There is no central government there. Instead,
some combination of warlords, tribes, and other "communities" have sprung
up to fight over what power they can get at.
Unfortunately, the "powers" that spring up as replacements for a "real
government" tend to have even _more_ despotic power over individuals
than the "big government" could ever have.
>> You may do what you want, but in fact, you are at war with your
>> neighbours (or some boons who want to make the best out of this "freedom"
>> by enslaving poor suckers that can't defend themselves).
>
>Anarchy seems to be impossible: some bastard will always jump up and crown
>himself king. The results when several try to do so at once and fight it
>out is not anarchy: it's polyarchy.
Somalia apparently being a case in point.
>> And being at war isn't exactly "freedom".
>
>And it isn't even approximately anarchy.
Indeed.
>> Drugs do impact others.
>
>Then so does everything anyone does. Arguments for drug control are
>arguments for complete government control of every detail of our lives.
One of the main results of Prohibition may be seen in the fact that
Edgar Bronfman has so much power in the RIAA _today_. Bronfman is the
latest inheritor of "influence" from the Seagram's liquor "empire" that
grew up in Canada as a direct result of Prohibition. His ancestors grew
exceedingly wealthy, from whence he inherits one of the Great Fortunes
of the world, and has the money to have influence over a whole lot of
copyrighted materials.
I expect that:
a) Many of the Asian trading houses that are powerful, if not universally
prominent, have a similar inheritance of power from the former
Asian opium trade, and that
b) In 2100, some of the former "drug lords" will have _substantial_
personal empires that have _grown_ since now, where the wealth
basically arose due to the inflation-due-to-illegality of drug prices.
The whole "war on drugs" is a whole lot profitable to anyone involved in
the drug industry, whether as a seller, due to the resultant increases in
pricing that results from the need to smuggle, or as an "anti drug czar,"
due to the funding extracted largely from US taxpayers to "fight the war."
>> The FSF wants to get to a more free society, where there is no
>> proprietary software anymore.
>
>An admirable goal, and one which I support.
I am less ambitious; I think it is useful enough to look to replace
_some_ proprietary software with non-proprietary software when that
improves utility to both individuals and society. There are enough
cases of that, I think, for there to be substantial increases in the
quantity of free software.
>> This is like saying (in the south states, 150 years ago): "If you give
>> your niggers...
>
>Nothing about software licensing or copyright is in any way analogous to
>slavery. This just flame bait.
Like comparisons to Marxism or Nazi Germany, while there _may_ be some
useful analogies to be drawn, they are so incredibly overpowered by the
legitimately powerful emotional reactions people have as to make the
useful analogy nigh unto disappear.
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destructuring LET thing is fixed in the new Lisp system", or better yet,
PROLOG.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: very slow, any ideas?
Date: 11 Aug 2000 03:33:45 GMT
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:31:17 GMT, Bart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I just loaded Mandrake 7.1 on a desktop with the following config:
>200 pentium/32 megs ram.
You need more RAM.
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: backup mail server
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:34:17 GMT
I would like to set up a back up mail server.
There exist mail servers mail and mail2.
the MX records for domain abc.com is as shown below:
abc.com preference = 20, mail exchanger = mail2.abc.com
abc.com preference = 10, mail exchanger = mail.abc.com
Both mail servers are sendmail 8.10.0 I test the system by sending a mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and stop sendmail at machine "mail" How can I configure sendmail
so that mail2 may store the mail (without local delivery) , waiting for
sendmail up at "mail" and transfer back mail to "mail" when sendmail at
"mail" is up?
I found that the default installation of sendmail at
the machine mail2 always tries to locally deliver the message.
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