Linux-Misc Digest #417, Volume #19 Thu, 11 Mar 99 20:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: GNOME & WindowMaker [was: KDE? Gnome? ... confused] (Bill Anderson)
Re: Direct access via net to root shell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (Anthony Ord)
Re: Help: root passwd not accepted ("Rob Warren")
Re: Disk Boot Failure!! After Install (Brian Groves)
Re: Linux -- "alpha" and "stable" applications? (gus)
Re: problem upgrading util-linux (NF Stevens)
Re: what "rc" scripts exist for linux? (Peter Samuelson)
Re: Epson Stylus 640 : RH5.2 okay here ("Matt O'Toole")
KDE installation (The Edge Crusher)
Re: problem upgrading util-linux (Eric Brager)
Re: Public license question (Sam Mosel)
How do I print this .ps file (kit)
Re: help! --> *.tar.bz2 what kind of packer is this? ("D. Vrabel")
Re: How do I stop netscape from popping up "Repost from data?" window when I press
reload???? (Matthew Bafford)
Re: Red Hat beginner questions (Geoff Allsup)
Re: sed: splitting word over several lines (Wlmet)
Re: how to mount ftp-connection (peter)
COBOL compiler for Linux? ("Eagle")
Re: Public license question (Bill Unruh)
Re: cd player similar to KDE's. . . (Doug Kellogg)
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From: Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: GNOME & WindowMaker [was: KDE? Gnome? ... confused]
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:13:29 +0000
Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> It was the Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:40:04 -0500...
> ..and Jeraimee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Is there a web site we can get to that will show us how to integrate GNOME
> > and other WMs? (WindowMaker specifically)??
> >
> > This topic is driving me nuts! Must have tried 100 different ways to load
> > them...
>
> Gnome 1.0 will have a Control Center capplet to select your window
> manager from a list.
>
> mawa
> --
> Everybody lies about sex. IT'S IN THE MANUAL.
> -- unintentional juxtaposition in George Lin's follow-up of Adam
> Hill's posting. RTFM before fibbing, I guess.
Crashes on my system every time I select a windowmanger and click ok.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Direct access via net to root shell
Date: 11 Mar 1999 18:21:38 GMT
In uk.comp.os.linux Jim Howes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I need to provide a means whereby a user can telnet from
: a machine to a service on a linux box that drops them
: straight into a root shell, probably bash.
: I.e.
: bash$ telnet box 12345
: Trying 123.45.67.89
: Connected to foo.bar.com
: #
I suggest installing ssh (ftp://ftp.cs.hut.fi/pub/ssh).
This can *securely* allow people into a box, either
using a password or using host-based authentication (client
must be in possession of a particular private key). Of
course, the client would need to have the ssh client
software.
Rich.
--
Richard Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.annexia.org/
Original message content Copyright � 1999 Richard Jones
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:21:42 GMT
On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:15:45 -0600, Xerophyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Also consider that Intel announced a product which conceivably could invade
>privacy.
>
>Caere and Mircosoft (Office2000) both want users to register their products
>or else they don't get a key code to make the product work after 20 days.
Crack it. M$ will be laughed out of court if you bought it, then they
try to claim piracy. At least in this country.
>The us government knows more about its citizens than other governments know
>their citizens. (not just name/address/such)
>
>Bank companies need to look only at a credit card tally and see who we're
>buying from.
The local petrol station - ooh! - informative.
>These anti-Intel folk are shortsighted idiots! Intel's "crime" is not
>worthy of this bullshit yet they don't seem to mind all these other direct
>violations of our privacy.
Intel's little stunt appears to be immutable if you buy their product.
People are therefore suggesting you don't. This will have the
side-effect of ensuring no one ever tries to pull anything similar.
That is all.
Regards
Anthony
--
=========================================
| And when our worlds |
| They fall apart |
| When the walls come tumbling in |
| Though we may deserve it |
| It will be worth it - Depeche Mode |
=========================================
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From: "Rob Warren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help: root passwd not accepted
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:02:49 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<7c7o4e$a2d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi,
>
>I installed Linux 3 days back. Today suddenly when I tried to login as
root,
>it says the password is incorrect. What could be problem? How do I get over
>it? Please help!!!
Try typing the password in all caps. I noticed under Redhat 5.2 that often
the password you specify in the install is actually saved off in all upper
case; when you try typing it without Caps Lock on, it bumps you out with an
incorrect password.
Rob
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From: Brian Groves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Disk Boot Failure!! After Install
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:31:45 -0500
I"ve had EXACTLY the same problem, using both a 1.2 and 2.5 gig hdd I"ve tried
setting the drive to LBA, Large, and NORMAL then installing on a clean drive
to no avail, but it'll boot from the boot disk ???
When installing in 'expert' mode I can't get LILO to install to either the MBR
or boot partition with or without the 'linear' option ?
any help would be GREATLY appreciated
David Kirkpatrick wrote:
> What did you install - version? Fdisk can set a partition active.
> What's your partition lineup?
>
> Cliff wrote:
> >
> > Need some help from y'all
> >
> > After installing linux on a 6.4 Gig disk (as the only OS), the install
> > goes OK and then at the rebooting stage, it commes up with the ff
> > message:
> >
> > Verifying DMI Pool Data .......
> > Not found any [active partition] in HDD
> > DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER
> >
>
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From: gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux -- "alpha" and "stable" applications?
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:35:41 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jean-Yves TOUMIT wrote:
>
> > > I have noticed at the new Linux section of the Tucows web site that Linux
> > > applications are usually listed as "alpha" or "stable."' Having just read
> > > the Intro to Linux Documentation about the "alpha" and "stable" stages, I
> > > am a little confused. Is "stable" a synonym for "Beta"? Usually an
> > > application is offered in two versions "stable version 1.x;new version 2.x"
> > > and so forth. When can one feel confident enough to download a Linux
> > > application?
> Well, if I wanted to be bad to Microsoft, I would say that "alpha" linux
> stuff is
> equivalent to "beta" MS products, "beta" linux programs are "stable" MS
> products
> and "stable" linux apps don't exist under Windows...
> Just being a bit nasty... ;-)
> Anyway, there _are_ some bugs in linux, nobody's perfect!
>
> --
> Jean-Yves TOUMIT
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://rfv-pc28.insa-lyon.fr
This is an important point, there are some bugs in Linux. The big
difference between Linux and M$ bugs is that we can count the Linux
bugs, and that we can count on them being fixed ;-)
gus
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: problem upgrading util-linux
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:22:07 GMT
Eric Brager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>I'm not sure my other posts have made it downstream to you yet... but in
>general I can't chmod, chown, mv /bin/login. I'm guessing that if I'm logged
>in as root trying that from the shell, then a new version of rpm might not
>help.
Someone has set the i attribute. Use lsattr to view the file attributes
and chattr to change them. You'll probably want "chattr -i /bin/login"
(as root).
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Samuelson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: what "rc" scripts exist for linux?
Date: 11 Mar 1999 18:23:07 -0600
Reply-To: Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Peter Samuelson <sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>]
> > (But Digital Unix takes the cake for confusing/counterintuitive.
> > Their runlevel directories are /sbin/rc?.d/.)
[Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> I must say that since the /etc/init.d scripts are executables (and
> are not supposed to be edited) rather than config files, they should
> arguably not reside in /etc but in /sbin.
There is that argument to be made -- but even if the start scripts
shouldn't need to be edited, the runlevel directories with their
symlinks *are* config "files" of a sort and belong in /etc. Since they
are in /etc it makes sense to put init.d there too, just so they're
close together.
Maybe what really struck me as strange when I saw OSF/1's scheme was
that they have *subdirectories* of a bin directory, which just ain't
normal....
--
Peter Samuelson
<sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Epson Stylus 640 : RH5.2 okay here
Date: 11 Mar 1999 11:07:26 PST
Kingsley G. Morse Jr. wrote in message <7c70qe$bjh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>What I *don't* know is how to really test the colors and resolutions. All
>>three drivers seem to work fine. --- John
>My testing with and correspondence about the Epson Stylus Color 800 is
>that some colors are too dark and gray. Perhaps you'll notice the same
>when you try to print something with dark blue in it. Mine comes out
>looking like blue with a black haze over it.
I've always had similar problems with my Color Stylus Pro, the predescessor
to the 800. All the colors seem too dark, and blues are too purplish. This
is true under Win 95, with the original driver that came with the printer;
the newer driver included with Win 98; and whatever driver came with RH
5.2/Mandrake. So, I'm pretty sure this is a hardware problem. The text
output looks a bit crisper under Linux, but the colors look the same.
It went in for repair once, for another problem. I complained about the
color problem at the time, and the colors looked a lot better when the
printer came back. Now, it's back to where it was. So, I think the problem
is with the nozzles becoming blocked or something. They probably did a
thorough cleaning at the factory. Epson says to be sure to turn the printer
off and on using its own power switch, so that it will go through its normal
self-cleaning cycle each time. I do that, but... I think these printers
are troublesome compared to HPs, and I wouldn't buy another. I wish HP
still built non-Winprinters.
One positive thing I can say about this printer is that the ink usage/cost
is very low.
Matt O.
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From: The Edge Crusher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: KDE installation
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:34:55 +1000
i tryed to install kde 1.1 last night, but when i ran the './configure'
command, it says that i'm using the wrong --prefix, and that the old kde
doesn't exist( and it doesn't).
WHAT!????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! the HELL does this mean?????!!!
HELP!!
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:17:20 +0000
From: Eric Brager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: problem upgrading util-linux
Just to hound the issue:
#ls -alp /bin/login
-rws--x--x 1 root root 15588 Jun 1 1998 /bin/login
#chmod 755 /bin/login
chmod: /bin/login: Operation not permitted
#chown eric:eric /bin/login
chown: /bin/login: Operation not permitted
#mv /bin/login /bin/monkeys
mv: cannot move `/bin/login' to `/bin/monkeys': Operation not permitted
#rm /bin/login
rm: remove `/bin/login', overriding mode 4711? y
rm: /bin/login: Operation not permitted
#
Help?
I tried booting into single but still no go on changing the attributes of this
file. I may try to boot off a floppy but even if that works I'm dying to know
what the deal is.
Thanks in advance!
-Eric
Eric Brager wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Eric Brager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Getting an annoying error that when trying to upgrade the util-linux rpm
> > > on redhat-5.2 / i386
> > > # rpm -Uvh util-linux-2.9-0.i386.rpm
> >
> > Can you rpm -qlp util-linux-2.9-0.i386.rpm with no problems ?
>
> Indeed, I can exec the above with no probs. I can -qlp on the .rpm I made
> from the .srpm as well as the one I ftp'd from redhat.
>
> I'm still baffled why root can't change the attributes of /bin/login No
> chmod mv chown etc....
>
> Wacky eh?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Eric
>
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Eric Brager, UNIX Network Administrator
> University Hospital and Medical Center at Stony Brook
> Network Services, Information Technology
> Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Eric Brager, UNIX Network Administrator
University Hospital and Medical Center at Stony Brook
Network Services, Information Technology
Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Sam Mosel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:25:47 GMT
Geoffrey KEATING wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephan Schulz) writes:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Geoffrey KEATING <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephan Schulz) writes:
> > >
> > >...
> > >> Or, to be obvious, if I take the novel "Snow Crash" and distribute it
> > >> as a list of individual words in alphabetic order (non-copyrightable)
> > >> and offer a web-page which gives me a list of numbers that say which
> > >> word goes were, I _am_ violating copyright, even though the user is
> > >> the one that puts the novel together again.
> > >
> > >Because your list of numbers is a translation of the original novel.
> >
> > I cannot say I did not see this argument coming. And you are right to
> > a certain degree. However, it is not quite as simple as that. Let's
> > assumue I use simple XOR encryption, and apply a perfect white noise
> > key to the novel. Both the key and the encrypted novel are now white
> > noise - I cannot get the novel or any non-random piece of it from
> > either the key or the encrypted novel. Moreover, I can use both to
> > encrypt other data which I am legaly allowed to distribute, thus both
> > of these bit strings have independed uses. Nevertheless, if I
> > distribute both, I am in effect distributing "Snow Crash", and am thus
> > in violation of copyright, even though it is perfectly legal to
> > distibute each individual component, and even though the user has to
> > perform a non-trivial operation ("linking") of the two parts to
> > actually get the novel.
>
> Your 'white noise' is still a translation of the novel, even though
> it's in a language that you can read only with the key. The key,
> though, is not, because you generated it independently of the novel.
> So you can distribute the key but not the ciphertext.
>
So take the ciphertext, and burn it onto a CD. Now take the key, and
burn it onto a CD too. Don't label either, and tell a collegue to mix
them up whilst you close your eyes.
Now tell me which is the ciphertext, and which is the key, and therefore
which one is violating copyright, and which one isn't.
--
Regards,
Sam.
(samm at
vsl dot
com dot au)
Senior Software Engineer,
Vision Abell Pty. Ltd.
http://www.vsl.com.au/abell/
=======================================================================
Look in the mirror, and don't be tempted to equate transient domination
with either intrinsic superiority or prospects for extended survival.
-- Stephen Jay Gould, "Life's Grandeur"
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From: kit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How do I print this .ps file
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:01:01 +0000
I have been given several files which I need to print.
Trouble is, I have tried everything I can think of, and all I get is a
copy of the file printed - not the information contained therein. It
seems to be a Tex file, but I don't know enough to get it to work.
I have a suspicion that it might be a postscript file, but my Cannon
4300 doesn't do postscript.
Any pointers on how to proceed will be gratefully received.
TIA
================File Header======================================
%!PS-Adobe-2.0
%%Creator: dvipsk 5.58e Copyright 1986, 1994 Radical Eye Software
%%Title: disbslides.dvi
%%Pages: 12
%%PageOrder: Ascend
%%BoundingBox: 0 0 612 792
%%EndComments
%DVIPSCommandLine: dvips -O 0cm,-2cm disbslides
%DVIPSParameters: dpi=300, comments removed
%DVIPSSource: TeX output 1996.04.29:1344
%%BeginProcSet: tex.pro
/TeXDict 250 dict def TeXDict begin /N{def}def /B{bind def}N /S{exch}N
=================End File Header===================================
--
kit
Q. Do you know what the next version of Windows will be
called after Windows98?
A. Windows1900, of course.
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help! --> *.tar.bz2 what kind of packer is this?
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:41:46 +0000
On 11 Mar 1999, borodin wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I would like to install jdk1.2pre-v1.tar.bz2, but I don't know, how to
> uncompress it. With tar xfv foo.tar.bz2 I only get missmash.
> Sorry for my stupid question.
The tar file has been compressed with bzip2. You need to uncompress it
with bzip2 then untar it. You should have bzip2 with your distribution.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Bafford)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: How do I stop netscape from popping up "Repost from data?" window when I
press reload????
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:19:00 GMT
On 11 Mar 1999 01:16:10 -0800 in comp.os.linux.misc, you wrote:
-> WHen I press reload, Netscape gives me this window saying "Repost from data?".
-> How do I tell Netscape that I don't want this window to pop up?
1) Goto www.mozilla.org
2) Download the Mozilla source (and supporting libraries)
3) Unpack the source, edit the source to not flash the dialog box.
4) Rebuild Netscape
Viola!
Other than that, you're stuck with it.
-> Thanks.
Hope This Helps!
-> Si
--Matthew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoff Allsup)
Subject: Re: Red Hat beginner questions
Date: 12 Mar 1999 00:24:58 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:14:51 GMT, Karl Bengtsson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm a complete Linux beginner, and I've got a few questions that I was
>hoping someone could help me with.
>These may be posted in the wrong NG but I couldn't figure where else they'd
>go : )
>
>1) I've downloaded Netscape (gold 3.04), and it was a *.tar.gz file. Now
>I've gnunzipped it , how do I untar it? And in where? (currently it's in
>/root)
>
>2) I'm using Red Hat 5.0, and to log on to the net (dial-up PPP) I use the
>Network Configurator under X. But in order to run this, I need to be root.
>Appearently being root is not a good thing, so how can I make this program
>accessible for all users?
>
>3) I want to get some kind of file manager because I'm not too good at the
>shell. There appears to be one in the gnome package, is this worth getting?
>
>4) It also appears that Red Hat 5.2 is better in some respects than 5.0. Is
>there an EASY way to upgrade to 5.2?
>
>5) (Last question!) What window manager would you recomend for a beginner
>to use? I have the windows lookalike one, fvvm 95 or something like that,
>but I'd like to do something fun to the desktop.
>
If you upgrade to RH5.2, it comes with Netscape 4.07 on the CD.
Under RH 5.2 (and maybe 5.0) there is a command called 'usernetctl'
which is used to start and stop ppp (if you've got ppp working as root,
it should just work). Start and stop as follows:
/usr/sbin/usernetctl ppp0 up
/usr/sbin/usernetctl ppp0 down
And in RH 5.2 at least, there are also built-in choices of LessTif
and AfterStep in addition to fvwm95
Hope this helps a bit...
geoff
******************************************************************
Geoff Allsup Upper Ocean Processes Group
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole, MA, USA
******************************************************************
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wlmet)
Subject: Re: sed: splitting word over several lines
Date: 11 Mar 1999 22:38:24 GMT
>
>sed 's/\(..\)\//\1^N/g' datefile1 > datefile2
>
>Note: The '^N' character was obtained via the Ctrl-V Ctrl-N key
>combination.
>
>
Being that I am in the evil empire's software, I cannot test but I will have a
go anyway.
sed 's:\\:\r:g'
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (peter)
Subject: Re: how to mount ftp-connection
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:41:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> nfs != ftp
> It just doesn't work this way
>
yes, but I�ve seen a fstab a few weeks ago where something like this
worked (I saw the metalabs on a public ftp mounted as /lab, but I can
access this 'knowledge' by now)
peter
=================
pilsl@
ANTISPAM
goldfisch.atat.at
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From: "Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: COBOL compiler for Linux?
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:16:44 -0000
Is there one?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: 12 Mar 1999 01:10:52 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sam Mosel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>So take the ciphertext, and burn it onto a CD. Now take the key, and
>burn it onto a CD too. Don't label either, and tell a collegue to mix
>them up whilst you close your eyes.
>Now tell me which is the ciphertext, and which is the key, and therefore
>which one is violating copyright, and which one isn't.
You copied it when you burned it onto your CD. However if the court cannot be
convinced that you copied it by the plaintiff, then you will not be convicted. The
law is not about theoretical arguements about definitions, but about applying then
to practical situations which people care enough about to bring to court. Nobody
cares about your example.
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From: Doug Kellogg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: cd player similar to KDE's. . .
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:23:38 -0800
Xmcd, which I'm using as I write this, is very nice. I'm in fvwm2.
This program automatically downloads the artist information. I found it
as xmcdbin.tar.gz. Untar it in its own subdirectory, since it
doesn't create one.
Doug
Norvell Spearman wrote:
>
> Is there a cd player similar to KDE's cdplayer (one that will
> automatically download artist, album, and track names) that I can run in
> plain old XWindows/fvwm2?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To reply, remove my opinion about
> unwanted e-mail from my address.
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