Linux-Misc Digest #417, Volume #27 Thu, 22 Mar 01 01:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux for a 486? ("green")
Re: Upgrading kernal? (AJL)
Re: Need help locating Embedded Linux info ("green")
goctave - help building it ("G Pollack")
Re: Mini-distro advice ("green")
Re: mouse roller? (Jimbob)
Re: xawtv problem: "no DGA support" (CrACKeD)
Re: *Good* Office software for linux??? (Grant Edwards)
Re: Duplicating CDs (a rosenberg)
Re: Linux for a 486? (AJL)
Re: Mini-distro advice (H_Slave)
Re: Duplicating CDs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
line wrap (Holland King)
Re: Mini-distro advice ("green")
Re: how to install the glibc in /lib ? ("Thomas Weidner")
Re: mem and swap problem ("Matthew Lam")
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux for a 486?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:32:47 +1000
yes I use it on a 486 dx/4 16mb ram..
please have at least 16mb ram.
gnome/ kde will be slow.
if your game try peanut linux (has kde 1.x in it) 150mb needed
tiny linux (based on slack 3 or 4)
redhat 5 and 6 will install if you have a bigish (400mb) hard drive for your
dated computer.
I list these because I have sucseeded in running tiny and redhat 5 and 6 on
it.
I am trying peanut now but the install is tricky.
it is faster than say win98 on the same computer.
goto www.linux.org
see distrobutions.
probably goto specialty section as the rest tend to be big or pentium
optimised.
"Mike Flournoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am ignorant to Linux but have a old 486 I wanted to use to learn on. It
> appears most newer versions are aimed at Pentiums. Is it possible to run
> linux with a GUI on a 486 or is that just too slow?
>
> Thx
> Mike
>
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From: AJL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upgrading kernal?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:30:22 GMT
> I'm pretty new to Linux so please bear with me.
>
> I am using RH5.2 with kernal 2.2.14.
>
> Can anyone please tell me if it is worth my while to upgrade to 2.4.2??
Well, I just upgraded from 2.2.13 to 2.4.2 and I am pretty happy, but I
did it because I needed to compile driver support into /a/ kernel to solve
a problem. I figured why not upgrade as long as I am compiling at
all. Somebody once said, "There is much to be said for a working box."
> I have already tried to do this and I am running into difficulty.
> It appears that possibly I don't have the latest modutils, binutils,
> etc.
I have binutils-2.9.1.0.25 and modutils-2.1.121 and I had no
problems, yet...
> I do have according to the changes file the correct versions of gcc and
> make.
I never read the changes file... I am running Slackware 7.0 and maybe
someone is gonna totally flame me, but you should be fine.
> Has anyone out there successfully upgraded from pre 2.2.x to 2.4.2?
>
> If so did you have to do anything beyond just configuring, compiling and
>
> installing?
I am not sure what is going wrong in your case, but I'll try to help you
by telling you exactly what I did. This is what /I/ did so pls don't
anybody flame me =) I ran all these as root, not running X. Commands are
in ''. Before you do the last step, make sure you have some sort of
emergency boot disk.
1) get source (linux-2.4.2.tar.gz) from www.kernel.org or mirror
2) place in /root (README said not /usr/src/linux)
3) 'gunzip linux-2.4.2.tar.gz'
4) 'tar xvf linux-2.4.2.tar' (yes 3 and 4 coulda been 1 step =)
5) make these links:
'ln -sf /root/linux/include/linux /usr/include/linux'
'ln -sf /root/linux/include/asm /usr/include/asm'
6) 'cd /root/linux; make menuconfig' (This is probably the most tedious
step. Know your hardware well, or use defaults at first... Also, try
alt+Fx to switch to different consoles, log in, and type stuff like
dmesg|less to give you hints as you are going along.)
7) 'make dep'
8) 'make bzImage' (This will create the kernel binary. If you
succed, you will have /root/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, yay!!)
9) From here on in, I assume that you are using LILO, it is installed
on your Master Boot Record (MBR), your bootable partition is /dev/hda1,
and would like to have the option to boot your old kernel. Use your
favorite editor and edit /etc/lilo.conf to look something like mine. I'll
substitute your 2.2.14 for my 2.2.13 =)
boot = /dev/hda
compact #not necessary
delay = 100 #10 second delay
#The first image listed is the image LILO will default to. You may want
#to use the default tag (see man lilo.conf), or simply switch the order.
image = /2.4.2 #this is what I called bzImage that I copied to /
root = /dev/hda1
label = Linux-2.4.2 #labels must have >= 1 letter, e.g. not '2.4.2'
read-only
image = /2.2.14 #this is what I moved /vmlinuz to... see step 10
root = /dev/hda1
label = Linux-2.2.14
read-only
9) 'cp /vmlinuz /2.2.14; cp /root/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /2.4.2'
(your old kernel may be named something other than /vmlinuz. You still
have a bootable system =)
10) '/sbin/lilo' or usually just 'lilo' (This will check lilo.conf for
errors and make the actual changes to the system map file that LILO uses)
Well there you have it, a new kernel in 10 easy and fun steps
;) Cross you fingers and reboot (remember to hit TAB to see a list of
choices at the LILO prompt). I hope this was pretty clear, and that it
helps.
Good Luck,
Andy
I thought pico was the default UNIX editor!?
root at yggdrasil.27south.com
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need help locating Embedded Linux info
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:35:16 +1000
linux emmbeded was (my recolection as i down loaded it)
http://www.linuxembedded.com/lem.php3
http://www.linuxembedded.com
a smallish distro to run of flash cards 8MB or 2MB can't rember
"steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I stumbled across a website that had an article about Embedded Linux,
> and now I cannot find the site again. If I recall correctly the project
> was, or had, embedded Linux in the CMOS of selected motherboards. The
> project was very intriguing and I thought I bookmarked the site - but
> alas I did not. Does this ring any bells with anyone in this group, and
> if so where can I find more info on this??
>
> Steve
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From: "G Pollack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: goctave - help building it
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:35:04 GMT
I'm attempting to build goctave on my Mandrake 7.2 system. On the first
try, I learned that I needed an include file, gtksheet.h. This is in the
package libgtk+extra0-devel-0.99.14-1mdk.i586.rpm, which I installed.
The next attempt got through the compile stage okay, but upon linking a
series of "undefined reference" errors appeared, all of which referred to
function declarations appearing in gtksheet.h. I've copied the call to
gcc that does the linking, as well as the first few error messages,
below. All of the *.o files and libraries that appear in the call exist.
Can someone tell me what I'm missing?
Thanks,
Jerry Pollack
gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wunused -L/usr/lib -lgtk -lgdk -lgtkextra -lglib -lm -o goct
ave about.o goctave.o help_call.o macro_bar.o preferences.o wb.o clipboard.o -r
dynamic -L/usr/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -rdynamic -lgnomeui -lart_lgpl -lgdk_imlib -
lSM -lICE -lgtk -lgdk -lgmodule -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lgnome -lgnomesupport -lesd -
laudiofile -lm -ldb1 -lglib -ldl -rdynamic -lzvt -lutil -lSM -lICE -lgtk -lgdk -
lgmodule -lglib -ldl -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lm -lncurses
wb.o: In function `wb':
/toinstall/goctave/src/wb.c:147: undefined reference to `gtk_sheet_new'
/toinstall/goctave/src/wb.c:149: undefined reference to `gtk_sheet_get_type'
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mini-distro advice
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:39:14 +1000
try
www.linux.org
see distro section.
mabey zip slack by slackware. built to run of a zip drive ?
probably a distro like redhat that allows you to install via a null modem
link, net card or similar
see specialty distros toowards bottom of page.
you may need to turn of cache to install it
mabey you can re enable it latter.
try it
I hope that helps.
"H_Slave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:u6eu6.9898$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm either gonna get advice or ignite a holy war... ^_^;
>
> I'm looking for a mini-distro that I can put on an old laptop of mine, and
> was wanting to tap the massive cumulative experience of the Linux
> community. (Don't worry, I'll pull out before my head explodes. ^_^ )
>
> The laptop is an IBM 750Cs, a 486SX, 25 Mhz, 12 Megs RAM, 325 MB HD space.
> One floppy, no CD-Rom, and access to a parallel port ZIP Drive. Network
> access via a Linksys ethernet card, Internet access via a Kingston
> Technologies 14.4 modem; both on PCMCIA.
>
> I'm looking to make it a dedicated Linux machine (no dual boot). If
> possible I'd like for it to run some version of X Windows so's I can show
> it off to my non-Linux using friends.
>
> Oh, and I tried LOAF, but it kernel panicked during boot, and I'm too new
> to Linux to know how to fix it.
>
> So, any advice?
>
> Okay, any advice _other_ than "Don't bother" and "Get a real machine!"?
> ^_^
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> H_Slave; now playing...Glen Campbell, "Country Boy"
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From: Jimbob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mouse roller?
Date: 22 Mar 2001 15:39:09 +1100
raf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 21 Mar 2001 08:47:45 +1100, Jimbob wrote:
>>Karen E. Chancellor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Are you talking about the wheel on an intellimouse? If so, March issue
>>> of Linux magazine has a letter about this.
>>
>>> --
>>> .- --. ....- -.-. -.-.
>>
>>And if we dont have that publication (or cant get it) ???????
>>
> http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-07/hottips_05.html
Thats all well and good but I was already aware of that 'hack job'.
I would like to know how to implement the actual wheel, not assign some buttons to
perform the scrolling.
Jimbob
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From: CrACKeD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xawtv problem: "no DGA support"
Date: 22 Mar 2001 04:43:23 GMT
Vladimir Florinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: CrACKeD wrote:
: >
: > i'm having trouble getting xawtv working with kernel 2.2.16. this is the
: > output:
: >
: > cracked@linux /home/cracked: xawtv
: > This is xawtv-3.17, running on Linux/i586 (2.2.16)
: > visual: id=0x22 class=4 (TrueColor), depth=24
: > visual: id=0x23 class=5 (DirectColor), depth=24
: > x11: 1152x900, 32 bit/pixel, 0 byte/scanline
: > WARNING: Your X-Server has no DGA support.
: > WARNING: couldn't find framebuffer base address, try manual
: > configuration ("v4l-conf -a <addr>")
: > waitpid: No child processes
: > WARNING: Your X-Server has no DGA support.
: > WARNING: couldn't find framebuffer base address, try manual
: > configuration ("v4l-conf -a <addr>")
: > waitpid: No child processes
: > v4l: 1152x900, 32 bit/pixel, 4608 byte/scanline
: > ioctl VIDIOCCAPTURE: Invalid argument
: > ioctl VIDIOCCAPTURE: Invalid argument
: >
: I think this is self-explanatory. You need the DGA extension in the server.
...which is?
: Which version of X is this?
looks like X 11 release 6.4
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: *Good* Office software for linux???
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:59:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>If I originate a document I prefer a text processor to a word processor so I
>can concentrate on the content instead of wasting all my time on the form. I
>do it in LaTex or Lyx, and then send them a snail-mail copy and tough for
>them.
[...]
>I know there is a .ps to .pdf convertor, but when I run that, the fonts look
>very crappy. I guess I need to have exactly the same fonts they have, but I
>do not.
I bet you do. ;)
Using the "times" package will use standard Postscript fonts instead of the
default Computer Modern fonts -- resulting in nice looking PDF documents.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! .. I want to perform
at cranial activities with
visi.com Tuesday Weld!!
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From: a rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Duplicating CDs
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:01:32 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wroot wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I need to create a CD completely identical to the original one. I tried
> using xcdroast, and then used "verify CD" comparing the image (not *.iso,
> some other format) to the original CD it was created from and,
> alternatively, to the copy.
>
> The program reported that the copy is a different CD, so that it can not be
> compared. Apparently, the copy wasn't completely identical to the original
> CD, otherwise xcdroast wouldn't be able to tell that it's a different CD.
> My quess is that xcdroast's "Duplicate CD" option is geared towards copying
> audio CDs and not data CDs.
>
> Does anyone know how to duplicate data CDs? Or how to create an *.iso image
> of a CD (if this will help)?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Wroot
>
> P.S. If there is a "Followup-To" header in this message, blame KNode (KDE
> newsreader)
I believe that there is a Windows program, CDClone, that will do the job
if your burner is compatible with the software.
Art Rosenberg
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From: AJL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux for a 486?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 05:28:23 GMT
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Mike Flournoy wrote:
> I am ignorant to Linux but have a old 486 I wanted to use to learn on. It
> appears most newer versions are aimed at Pentiums. Is it possible to run
> linux with a GUI on a 486 or is that just too slow?
>
> Thx
> Mike
The biggest problem that you will have is fitting the distro on
the hard disk. I have Slackware 7 installed on a 486 DX2, 50Mhz, 16M RAM
using FVWM2 for X. I did a custom install and really trimmed down things,
but I think it was still more than 200 Meg after I finished.
Text mode will not be a problem at all as far as speed is concerned, you
will be pleased. FVWM2 or TWM is a good quick GUI on a system like that
(any others ppl?), but don't expect miracles if you only have 4M RAM =)
Someone mentioned Peanut, and I was going to try that a few weeks back
and replace slack 7. That distro looks to be what i was looking for to
run on the old 486, but I have not used it yet.
Debian will work fine too (I had it running on a 386SX, 4M RAM. Netscape
took 22 minutes to start under TWM, LOL). Debian still uses base
system floppys (7 or 8 of them?) that will get you going with
TCP/IP networking and a sweet FTP package tool.
Forget Redhat 6.x it won't fit on the HD.
All in all, if you can get /any/ distro up and running on a 486, you will
probably be learning a lot more than someone installing on the latest
supported hardware. It will probably be more satisfying too!
Have fun,
Andy
I thought pico was the default UNIX editor!?
root at yggdrasil.27south.com
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Subject: Re: Mini-distro advice
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H_Slave)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 05:35:36 GMT
"green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> screamed while blasting enemy mecha:
>try
>
>www.linux.org
>
>see distro section.
Alrighty. Done. ^_^
>mabey zip slack by slackware. built to run of a zip drive ?
Hmmm...I didn't spot that one there. As long as it only _installs_ off of
a zip disk, that'd be fine. Unfortunately, my zip drive's normal location
is inconvenient to be de/re-attaching the cable constantly.
>probably a distro like redhat that allows you to install via a null
>modem link, net card or similar
That'll probably be what I need; it seems difficult to get an installation
that'll wipe the existing FAT partition without a CD-Rom. Most of the ones
out there seem to want to co-exist with DOS by living side-by-side or not
even touching it, or they assume you already have Linux installed.
>see specialty distros toowards bottom of page.
>
>you may need to turn of cache to install it
>mabey you can re enable it latter.
>_>
<_<
Cache? Which cache?
>try it
>I hope that helps.
Thanks. It'll be some time before I can spare the bandwidth to get all the
files, but it'll happen sooner or later. ^_^
<snip stuff I really oughtta know since I wrote it>
Ja ne,
H_Slave, Ooo...my first cold in over a year... v_v;;;
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Duplicating CDs
Date: 21 Mar 2001 21:55:57 -0800
a rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> wroot wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I need to create a CD completely identical to the original one. I tried
> > using xcdroast, and then used "verify CD" comparing the image (not *.iso,
> > some other format) to the original CD it was created from and,
> > alternatively, to the copy.
> >
> > The program reported that the copy is a different CD, so that it can not be
> > compared. Apparently, the copy wasn't completely identical to the original
...<snip>...
I believe that if your CD was in the CD drive and cd device driver was mapped
to device /dev/cdrom and you did a "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=xyz" command, that
an exact image of the cd would be copied to the file xyz (you have to have
enough disk space for the file of course). Then you could use cdrecord
to copy that image to a fresh cd. You could check that file xyz was a
valid image by using the command:
mount xyz -r -t iso9660 -o loop /mnt
assuming /mnt was an empty directory, then under /mnt you should a file
system like the one on the CD. You have to have loop devices in your
kernel or as a module to be able to do this though.
--
Replace ragwind.localdomain with rahul for a working email address
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From: Holland King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: line wrap
Date: 22 Mar 2001 05:59:59 GMT
how do you set the linewrap using tin with the editor vi(m)
--
---
Joseph Holland King | "God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our
| conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His
| megaphone to rouse a deaf world." C. S. Lewis
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mini-distro advice
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:03:55 +1000
>
> >mabey zip slack by slackware. built to run of a zip drive ?
>
> Hmmm...I didn't spot that one there. As long as it only _installs_ off of
> a zip disk, that'd be fine. Unfortunately, my zip drive's normal location
> is inconvenient to be de/re-attaching the cable constantly.
sorry its at the slackware site.
it's a special vesion of slackware.
>
> >probably a distro like redhat that allows you to install via a null
> >modem link, net card or similar
>
> That'll probably be what I need; it seems difficult to get an installation
> that'll wipe the existing FAT partition without a CD-Rom. Most of the
ones
> out there seem to want to co-exist with DOS by living side-by-side or not
> even touching it, or they assume you already have Linux installed.
>
try tombst (found by following links at linux.org ).
it is a emergancy boot rescue disk that will allow removal of fat
partitions.
redhat has no problem with remoing partitions a install time though.
check your bios utils don't require dos to run.
> Cache? Which cache?
internel and externel cpu cache, memory speed to slow, no shadow ram, make
it a stable as possible.
works on installs on my 486 but isn't needed after.
bye :)
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From: "Thomas Weidner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to install the glibc in /lib ?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:01:05 +0100
"Juergen Heinzl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <99aca8$ks8$04$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thomas Weidner wrote:
> >Hi NG,
> >
> >i've downloaded the glibc2.2.2 and want to upgrade my glibc2.1.3. I've
done
> >the following:
> >./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-add-ons
> >make
> >make install
> >
> >and "make install" exits with the error "ln: no such file or
dictonary"(or
> >something like that). AFAIK "make install" deletes /lib/libc.so.6 and
then
> >wants to copy the new to this position,but after deleting /libc/libc.so.6
> >all shared linked programm,include the shell, won't work anymore.
> [-]
> Jesus no, it does *not* delete athem and it's up to you to remove,
> very carefully, any old libraries once you're sure all's working.
>
> >What have i done wrong ? and how can i do it better ?
> [-]
> You did not remove any files in /lib or /usr/lib ?
no
> You could run make check after the compilation ?
Yes,with no errors
> ln: no such file or directory is almost
> impossible IMHO as it even an empty argument, ln "", results in a slightly
> different message.
but this was the error i received.
But when i now try to boot linux,i get this message:"kernel panic:no init
found"(or something like that). I've really done only make install,not more.
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From: "Matthew Lam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.misc,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc,linux.support.commercial,redhat.config,redhat.general
Subject: Re: mem and swap problem
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:48:50 +0800
My computer with RH 6.2 also wouldn't recognize the append="mem=256M"
parameter. The problem was gone after running lilo 4 or 5 times
consecutively and reboot, though I never knew why.
"Sharkster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Im running RH 7 on a PII 300 with 256 meg ram. The system is only
> recognizing 64 meg and has already adjusted the swap accordingly.
> I have already edited the lilo.conf with the " append="mem=256M". Ive run
> the LILO and rebooted. The system is still only recognizing 64 meg.
> Did I miss something in there and what was it. How can I adjust my swap to
> match the 256m.
>
> Sharkster
> 61517946
>
>
>
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