Linux-Misc Digest #417, Volume #25 Fri, 11 Aug 00 18:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: STTY and ERASE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ? (Ed Reppert)
Re: rpm error - help ("Xanadu")
Changing how netscape/box is ID'd (Praedor Tempus)
Re: STTY and ERASE (Tony Lawrence)
Re: STTY and ERASE (Johan Kullstam)
output from procmail (Thaddeus L Olczyk)
X & ssh; sftp ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
how to get a free linux conference ticket
Re: how to get a free linux conference ticket ("Jason")
Re: X & ssh; sftp (Bob Tennent)
Re: ISO creation program ("Anders Gulden Olstad")
random Linux freezing (Crni Gorac)
Re: X & ssh; sftp (Doc Shipley)
Re: Linux on AMD (blowfish)
3c507 inconsistency (Eric Y. Chang)
Re: Linux on AMD (blowfish)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: STTY and ERASE
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:26:48 GMT
> break down and put stty in your startup file.
I've tried, but then scp complains. So I also have to insert code to
check whether I am logging as a terminal or not, and then this, and
that, why not just FIX it the RIGHT way.
> > What is the correct behavior: ^? or ^H ? As I understand, the VT100
> > (some 70's keyboard, as I get it) had a delete key above enter key.
> > But who cares, today we have backspace key there. It seems more and
> > more logical that Sun has it right with Backspace key returning
> > Backspace signal (^H). Why is linux returning a DELETE (^?)
>
> because linux is emulating a vt100. sun is not. if you want a
> keyboard with backspace there, choose one that has that! don't lie
> about emulating a vt100 and then fail to do so.
But I do not "lie"!!! The computer can't possibly know where my
backspace is located! Thus, the key that says BACKSPACE, should return
BACKSPACE (no matter where it is located). Is LINUS trying to maintain
the layout? after all, keyboards come with different length backspace,
does it mean the button next to it should return delete as well (if you
have a short backspace key) ??? The point here is that the keyboard is
still sending perfectly legal vt100 codes, where the buttons are should
not matter. What if you keyboard is flipped (for left handies, just an
example) does that mean A should now send L ??? No, the key should send
what it stands for. Backspace shouldn't send delete, it should send
backspace.
I don't want to get on your case, I understand you aren't responsible
for this, but I find this so stupid (so sorry for getting on your case
:)
> > signal when the key is
> > a backspace key ??? How can I fix the core of the problem (make sure
> > that on bootup the erase is set to ^H). I don't want to put this
> > into .tcshrc or .inputrc, or whatever other madness people use to
> > "work around" this problem.
>
> i admit that this problem is very stupid and should have been fixed
> twenty five years ago but here we are and the solution (stty in your
> .profile) sucks but that's the way it goes sometimes.
I thought open source was supposed to fix that though. Are we just like
microsoft: we do things the way "Big Boys" tell us we should. After all,
they know better what's good for us. Nobody wants to touch that code
though, after all, it has shit from the 70's, I don't even want to see
that jungle. Isn't there some petition that can be sent to linus, or
maybe some site that takes a vote of what "THE PEOPLE" :) want? (well,
at least what I want :)
Ooh, well, I guess there is no way out of it.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Ed Reppert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.solaris.x86,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ?
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:42:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Shelly
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All the OS/360 ... It's pretty neat.
I'll bet it is. :-) When I was in England, the RN was considering moving
from Model 204 DBMS (which ran/runs under OS/360) to some Unix based
DBMS. Lots of changes since then, including, so I hear, consolidation of
RN data with that of other services. Dunno what DBMS or OS they're using
now, but your post makes me wonder if the Model 204 folks went to Unix
somewhere along the way.
Anyway, thanks for the info.
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From: "Xanadu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: rpm error - help
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:48:00 -0400
The main problem is that the RPM you have is compiled for an i386. Mandrake
is compiled for a i586 or better. You should be able to find an i586 RPM on
www.rpmfind.net Look for RPMs that have i586 in it's name and you should
be good to go!
"Sandhitsu R Das" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I tried installing openssl by
>
> rpm -i openssl-0.9.5a-1.i386.rpm
>
>
> on my Mandrake 7.1 system
>
> and this is what I got:
>
> error getting record /bin/sh from file://var/lib/rpm/requiredby.rpm
> error getting record /bin/sh from file://var/lib/rpm/requiredby.rpm
>
> What's the problem ?
>
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Changing how netscape/box is ID'd
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:51:36 -0600
Is there a method by which I can change the "User Agent" id
that my box provides (when surfing with Netscape) to sites?
I would like to eliminate/change information that identifies
my system as funning Mozilla 4.73 on a linux box of a given
kernel. If nothing else, I would like to simply eliminate
the kernel and linux information, perhaps even changing it to
another OS.
Is there a simple way that wont break my browsing/browser?
praedor
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: STTY and ERASE
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:55:45 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > break down and put stty in your startup file.
>
> I've tried, but then scp complains. So I also have to insert code to
> check whether I am logging as a terminal or not, and then this, and
> that, why not just FIX it the RIGHT way.
How about using a .telnetrc file instead?
But I agree- it never should have been done that way because
too many of us are used to t'other way..
--
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests,
job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com/Linux
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Subject: Re: STTY and ERASE
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 11 Aug 2000 16:01:08 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > break down and put stty in your startup file.
>
> I've tried, but then scp complains. So I also have to insert code to
> check whether I am logging as a terminal or not, and then this, and
> that, why not just FIX it the RIGHT way.
because that just wouldn't be the unix way! ;-<
terminal settings in unix are broken ... into two parts - output to
screen and input from keyboard. vi and (n)curses use termcap, termio
& friends control writing from the host to your terminal. stty
controls interpretation of keys you press. termcap does the
displaying. stty does the key mapping. you have to use stty.
> > > What is the correct behavior: ^? or ^H ? As I understand, the VT100
> > > (some 70's keyboard, as I get it) had a delete key above enter key.
> > > But who cares, today we have backspace key there. It seems more and
> > > more logical that Sun has it right with Backspace key returning
> > > Backspace signal (^H). Why is linux returning a DELETE (^?)
> >
> > because linux is emulating a vt100. sun is not. if you want a
> > keyboard with backspace there, choose one that has that! don't lie
> > about emulating a vt100 and then fail to do so.
>
> But I do not "lie"!!! The computer can't possibly know where my
> backspace is located! Thus, the key that says BACKSPACE, should return
> BACKSPACE (no matter where it is located). Is LINUS trying to maintain
> the layout? after all, keyboards come with different length backspace,
> does it mean the button next to it should return delete as well (if you
> have a short backspace key) ??? The point here is that the keyboard is
> still sending perfectly legal vt100 codes, where the buttons are should
> not matter. What if you keyboard is flipped (for left handies, just an
> example) does that mean A should now send L ??? No, the key should send
> what it stands for. Backspace shouldn't send delete, it should send
> backspace.
ok, it depends on how you look at it. the linux keyboard will send
the ascii BS char if you hit cntrl-h. the vt100 had a key vaguely
above enter/return which would send DEL (^?). linux is emulating this
keyboard layout despite any text about backspace on the physical key
itself. i think later versions, DEC vt240 &c could be configured to
send ^H or ^? on that key.
> I don't want to get on your case, I understand you aren't responsible
> for this, but I find this so stupid (so sorry for getting on your case
> :)
i don't feel bad. you are perfectly entitled to feel angry. i am
pissed off about it too. the unix situation with respect to the
backspace/delte key is an abomination. it is a hysterical left-over
of legacy terminals and conflicting interpretations of a "standard".
> > > signal when the key is
> > > a backspace key ??? How can I fix the core of the problem (make sure
> > > that on bootup the erase is set to ^H). I don't want to put this
> > > into .tcshrc or .inputrc, or whatever other madness people use to
> > > "work around" this problem.
> >
> > i admit that this problem is very stupid and should have been fixed
> > twenty five years ago but here we are and the solution (stty in your
> > .profile) sucks but that's the way it goes sometimes.
>
> I thought open source was supposed to fix that though.
often, it doesn't. many times the best it can come up with is to
immitate something that already exists, e.g., unix. this is a unix
braindamage. sorry.
> Are we just like microsoft: we do things the way "Big Boys" tell us
> we should. After all, they know better what's good for us. Nobody
> wants to touch that code though, after all, it has shit from the
> 70's, I don't even want to see that jungle. Isn't there some
> petition that can be sent to linus, or maybe some site that takes a
> vote of what "THE PEOPLE" :) want? (well, at least what I want :)
> Ooh, well, I guess there is no way out of it.
the pain never ceases since that would break old scripts! ;-<
please excuse me while i scream.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
sysengr
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thaddeus L Olczyk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: output from procmail
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:02:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here is my problem.
I am retriving my mail using
fetchmail -m procmail.
It defaults to ~/Mail/mbox.
When I run it, I see new mail appear in mbox.
When i try to read mbox using every mailreader I have,
I get one of two results: either the reader tells me no messages
are available, or the reader tells me that mbox is corrupt.
Can anyone help?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: X & ssh; sftp
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:56:47 GMT
Hi,
I installed (open)ssh & sshd. and "ssh username@hostname" seems to be
working. however, when I try to run an X application, such as Netscape,
it says that it can not open display.
Am I missing some deamons, clients?
Also, sftp RPM requires ssh (not openssh). If I install sshd in addition
to opensshd, will they conflict? (because of the shared files, for
example)
Thanks
Wroot
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Before you buy.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how to get a free linux conference ticket
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:29:55 GMT
How can I get free admission to the linux conference next week in San Jose?
Thanks in advance.
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: "Jason" <Jason(AT)cyborgworkshop.com>
Subject: Re: how to get a free linux conference ticket
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:39:32 -0500
Mug someone that paid?
--
Jason
www.cyborgworkshop.com
...and the geek shall inherit the earth...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Tennent)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: X & ssh; sftp
Date: 11 Aug 2000 20:42:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:56:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>I installed (open)ssh & sshd. and "ssh username@hostname" seems to be
>working. however, when I try to run an X application, such as Netscape,
>it says that it can not open display.
>
Edit /etc/ssh/ssh.config to have
ForwardX11 yes
and /etc/ssh/sshd.config to have
X11Forwarding yes
>Also, sftp RPM requires ssh (not openssh).
The rpm expects the ssh *resource*, not ssh specifically. If you
have openssh installed and its rpm doesn't provide the ssh resource,
just use --nodeps. Remember that you'll need to install sftp at both ends.
Are you sure you wouldn't find it easier to use scp, which allows you to
securely copy files across the net, or rsync, which allows you to
synchronize directories?
Bob T.
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From: "Anders Gulden Olstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ISO creation program
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:02:10 GMT
Stephen J. Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for your response. Does mkisofs support the joliet extensions
> then, I thought it only supported the RockRidge extensions.
With option '-J', like the previous posting says.
See 'man mkisofs'
--
Sing While You May
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From: Crni Gorac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: random Linux freezing
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:05:26 GMT
I'm experiencing strange problems with a PentimPro/166 machine. After
installing RedHat Linux 6.2, machine is freezing at random intervals
upon boot. It is freezing even in runlevel 3, without X windows, so I
guess this has nothing to do with it. First thing that I'm usually
doing upon installation is to compile kernel and machine is always
freezing during this operation, sometimes when compiling kernel and
sometimes when compiling modules. RedHat Linux was installed previously
on this machine and was working without any problems (and several
versions of kernel were recompiled). During last two months machine was
dual booted between Windows NT Workstation 4.0 and SCO OpenServer
5.0.5a, also without any problems. Nothing changed in the BIOS in the
meantime.
I would be grateful for any hint.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Doc Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: X & ssh; sftp
Date: 11 Aug 2000 16:22:17 -0500
Bob Tennent wrote:
> Are you sure you wouldn't find it easier to use scp, which allows you to
> securely copy files across the net, or rsync, which allows you to
> synchronize directories?
If you're a file-slob, like me, scp is a pain. sftp is a lot easier if
you're on a fishing expedition. "I'm sure I downloaded that at work, now
A) where-did-I-put-it B) what-was-the-filename?"
--
Doc Shipley
Network Stuff
Austin, Earth
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Linux on AMD
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:25:01 -0700
J Bland wrote:
>
> >> >SuSE 6.4 have default K6-3DNow optimisation as well.
> >>
> >> Do they? Never seen it myself. I wonder how you get 3dnow optimisations in
> >> an i386 rpm...
> >
> >Yes SuSE does. It's in the kernel. You can chose AMD-3D support during
> >setup in YaST2. :-)
>
> Heh, that's like saying if you choose a pentium optimised kernel the whole
> distro is pentium optimised.
>
> The majority (everything apart from the kernel) of SuSE, even 6.4, is
> compiled for i386 (or ppc, apx etc) and does not use 3dnow. The kernel
> doesn't do enough maths for the 3dnow patch to make a significant
> difference. If you want 3dnow support in packages that will make real use of
> it you need to recompile them yourself (things like xmms/mpg123 spring to
> mind).
>
> The kernel is optimised for it, everything else isn't.
>
> Frinky
Oh Yeah!
Are you using SuSE?
I am. I've been using SuSE since 5.x
I'm posting from a SuSE 6.4 2.2.14 kernel, i586 with 3DNow activated.
;-)
You CAN choose the kernel option from YaST2 during installation.
Only sucky-crappy distros like RH, Debian, etc. , and so on you need to
recompile for anything other than the generic stuff.
Even soundcard, SMP, pentium, ata/dma a bunch of scsi, GForce video, etc
runs right out of the box without any messing around.
- Alex / blowfish.
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Y. Chang)
Subject: 3c507 inconsistency
Date: 11 Aug 2000 21:21:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does irq=<new_irq_address> work for the 3c507 driver? A quick look
at the kernel driver code seems to indicate that this value is set,
but never actually committed?
Yes, this command does cause a crash, but I am not sure how to interpret
the code (__initfunc()).
Eric
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Linux on AMD
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:26:39 -0700
J Bland wrote:
>
> >> >SuSE 6.4 have default K6-3DNow optimisation as well.
> >>
> >> Do they? Never seen it myself. I wonder how you get 3dnow optimisations in
> >> an i386 rpm...
> >
> >Yes SuSE does. It's in the kernel. You can chose AMD-3D support during
> >setup in YaST2. :-)
>
> Heh, that's like saying if you choose a pentium optimised kernel the whole
> distro is pentium optimised.
>
> The majority (everything apart from the kernel) of SuSE, even 6.4, is
> compiled for i386 (or ppc, apx etc) and does not use 3dnow. The kernel
> doesn't do enough maths for the 3dnow patch to make a significant
> difference. If you want 3dnow support in packages that will make real use of
> it you need to recompile them yourself (things like xmms/mpg123 spring to
> mind).
>
> The kernel is optimised for it, everything else isn't.
>
> Frinky
And I *ALWAYS* compile from source for the other stuff.
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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