Linux-Misc Digest #557, Volume #19 Mon, 22 Mar 99 03:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: L I N U X + 8 0 8 8 (Robert B. Kasten)
Re: Xfree86 ("Oded Arbel")
Re: Are screen savers necessary? ("David Lloyd-Jones")
Re: Is there a "modem activity light" for X (Nick Dreyer)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows (Rahul Dhesi)
Re: Help with LILO? (Roger Atkinson)
Why the LILO mini-HOWTO is still out of date. ("Cameron L. Spitzer")
Re: Converting MSWORD Document WP8 ("Cameron Spitzer")
Re: HDD > 8GB ("Cameron Spitzer")
gtk+ wont install because of glib (Mark Leung)
gtk+ wont install because of glib (Mark Leung)
Re: IE 5.0 on Unix Solaris -- What does this mean? ("Jeffrey Bolden")
Re: Staroffice New Documents? ("Cameron Spitzer")
Q: Slackware FTP install? (Andy DeMond)
Re: IE5 under Linux (Marc Hering)
Re: Netscape "from" weird (Ian Hay)
SuSE6 & Kernel 2.2.3 (Crew)
Re: Alternative web searcher ? (Frederic A. Martinelli)
Re: Xlib: extension "MIT-SHM" = ? (Josh Stern)
Re: X session via telnet? (Christopher Michael Jones)
Re: Kernel Panic! (heLP! please URGENT!) (Marc Hering)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert B. Kasten)
Subject: Re: L I N U X + 8 0 8 8
Date: 22 Mar 1999 05:52:25 GMT
DaZZa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>> What is the point? You can get an old 386 for just a few dollars and then
>> you can run Linux. I bought a 486-100 with 20MB for $30 from somebody and I
>> use it for my gateway firewall machine. I admit, that sort of deal is
>> probably not common, but a 386 should be easily aquired for this sort of
>> price.
> There wasn't a point. Someone asked a question. I gave a negative answer,
> and a suggestion to an alternative.
Actually there is a point. For one, I have an HP 100LX palmtop on which
I would very much like to run *nux. It's an 8086.
Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.
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From: "Oded Arbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xfree86
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:42:12 +0200
Ben van Tricht wrote in message <7d4kk6$rsv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I recently installed RH 5.2, and found out Xwindows didn;t work with my
>SiS6326 AGP card. So I went to www.x86free.org and found out that version
>3.3.3 did support my card. So I downloaded all the necessary files and
>installed them. Now Xwin works fine with my card, but I can't do a thing
>with it. I only get 3 windows with the Linuxprompt. All the menus seem to
>have disappeared. Anybody know why?
you lost your windows manager settings. try to re-install what ever windows
manager you where using (After-Step ? FVWM95 ? ) or edit the
/etc/X11/xinit/Xclients or the /etc/X11/xinitrc/.xinitrc to run your window
manager. you might wanna try doing both.
try some man pages first.
--
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I wonder when we'll find the answer to all the april snow...
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From: "David Lloyd-Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are screen savers necessary?
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:35:08 -0500
dc wrote >
>The old monochrome monitors "burned in" images fairly quickly. I can't
>tell you how many times I've seen WordPerfect 5.1 on the screen when
>the computer is off! Or seen a billing program menu forever etched in
>a medical clinic's terminal.
>
Hewlett-Packard used to have a DOS menu that had bright little blkocks of
function commands across the bottom of the screen. They burned themselves
into the monitor in about a week flat, and into the user's forehead in maybe
a month.
-dlj.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Dreyer)
Subject: Re: Is there a "modem activity light" for X
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:22:06 GMT
On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:59:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook) wroth:
>On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 03:33:46 GMT, Nick Dreyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I find it helpful to be able to see if anything is passing through the modem,
>>but with an internal device, the only way would be via some kind of software
>>monitoring program. Does something like this exist for X that would show at
>>least receive and transmit acitvity on some kind of virtual lights?
>
>asmodem (for the AfterStep wharf) works well. There is probably a wmmomdem
>(for the Window Maker dock) as well. See www.afterstep.org and
>www.windowmaker.org.
>
>Dave Cook
Thanks for the ideas. I have discovered a nice program wmppp, made for Window
Maker, though it works nicely anywhere. Displays lights, history bar graph
and transfer rate all in a neat little 64x64 window, as well as two buttons to
start or stop ppp!
|\|.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rahul Dhesi)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows
Date: 22 Mar 1999 06:14:38 GMT
In <7cmhrs$13gr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>NT has all the underlying concepts for multi-user operation except for
>distributing windows...
So does a Turing machine, right?
--
Rahul Dhesi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Roger Atkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux.redhat,alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Help with LILO?
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:13:17 -0800
You need to take a look at the Ultra DMA Mini HowTo. There is a patch that
you
can get that will fix Lilo for support of the Promise Rose controller. BTW
I have an
SIIG Ultra DMA controller and have exactly the same problem you have. Since
I can
boot from Floppy OK I'm set until I upgrade to the newer Kernel (i'm still
running
2.0.36-3) and it works just great.
The reason that his disks are at hde, hdf is because he probably has an
onboard IDE
controller that is not being used, just like I have. The Onboard IDE
controller will take
up hda to hdd which means that his Ultra DMA Controller will start with hde
and go to
hdh. My Linux boot disk is on hdg and it works just fine except that I
don't have Lilo
installed on it. However, I boot from floppy just fine and thats good
enough for me at
the moment.
Hope this helps,
--
Roger Atkinson Cubic Sys Admin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Eugene Strulyov wrote:
> you have to run lilo after you configured /etc/lilo.conf to actually
> write to the MBR. If that fails, it's probably because your MBR is write
> protected via BIOS. In this case go to BIOS setup and disable virus
> warning.
> I really don't know why your HDs would be hde and hdf though. They
> *should* be hda and hdb... but maybe because of SCSI it's different --
> I dunno.
>
> Andrew Maus wrote:
>
> > I installed RH 5.2 on P133 machine which has 2 EIDE hard drives
> > installed. Both are connected to a Promise Ultra DMA-33 controller.
> > I also have an Adaptec 2940 UW scsi card to which my CD-Rom and
> > Syquest removable HDD are connected. My primary IDE drive (6GB) has
> > Windows 95 installed, my secondary IDE drive (1GB) (now) has only
> > Linux. During installation, I opted for the Workstation installation
> > class, which among other things, automatically setup 2 partitions on
> > the secondary drive for Linux and attempted to load LILO. I got
> > through the entire installation process un-scathed, until it was
> > executing the very last step: Loading LILO onto the MBR. I don't
> > remember the exact wording of the error message but suffice it to say
> > installing LILO onto the MBR failed. I am able to boot from floppy no
> > problem. I tried going into LINUXCONF and attempt to re-configure
> > LILO. The default device MBR to load LILO onto is HDA, however during
> > installation, my primary IDE drive was setup as HDE and my secondary
> > is HDF with the root partition at HDF5. When I attempt to enter
> > /dev/hde as the MBR to load LILO onto, I get an error indicating that
> > the specified dev is an invalid location to boot from. If I enter
> > /dev/hda and re-run LILO, I get an error from LILO indicating that the
> > specified device does not support the operation. I've read several
> > HOW TO's (including the mini LILO HowTo) but can't find a solution for
> > this problem. I do know this, the kernel release in RH 5.2 does
> > recognize IDE drives connected to the Promise card. Previous kernel
> > releases do and require patches to the kernel and LILO. Hope someone
> > can shed some light on this. Thanks.
> >
> > Andy
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From: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Why the LILO mini-HOWTO is still out of date.
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:29:22 -0800
You may have noticed that the LILO mini-HOWTO is out of date.
Alessandro no longer has time to work on it, and I told him I would
do the next rev. I planned to work on it last month when I was on
vacation.
But when it came time to do the work I could not find anything
written down *anywhere* about *how to use* SGML-tools, and that is the
format that even the mini-HOWTOs are in now.
There is a system of mirror sites which distribute SGML-tools, but
their documentation directory is, essentially, empty.
There is some stuff about the directory hierarchy in which it installs,
but as far as I can tell there is no list of tags, no introduction
for the technical writer who does not know where to start.
There is some reference stuff, details for people who already know the
architecture, but if there is an overview someplace, I missed it.
SGML-tools is a programming language, and there seems to be no
"printf hello world" for it.
"This directory contains (should contain) documentation.
At the moment it is a bit too empty,
so any tech writers with spare time: drop a mail!"
I wrote Cees de Groot, and he said yes, it's a real shame that this
is an undocumented package, how about that. Why don't you install
it and figure it out from the source code. Uh huh.
I'm willing to reverse engineer LILO again to catch up with the
changes. It's a great little product, and it's got a good reference
manual, quite adequate for writing a tutorial. And it's still one of
the hottest topics in the installation forums. But I do not have
time to *also* reverse engineer the preferred documentation tool
for Linux HOWTOs. Maybe I'll do it in HTML (which is well documented)
and publish it outside the Linux Documentation Project entirely.
When someone writes the HOWTO-HOWTO, please let me know and I'll
use it to update the old LILO file. Meanwhile, my apologies for
the obsolete condition of the LILO mini-HOWTO.
--
Cameron Spitzer in San Jose
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
1-408-929-7601
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Converting MSWORD Document WP8
Date: 22 Mar 1999 06:50:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Alan Fried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have been using wp8 for Linux for some time and I am very distressed
>that it has difficulty converting my word 97 documents from dos.
>
>When I try to read a document from dos, word perfect goes through the
>conversion process and displays the document but only the first line.
I have had rendering problems with WP8 reading MS-Word files.
WP8 would show black text on a black background, etc.
Try running the document through Web Publisher and back.
It worked for me.
>When I use Star Office I do not have this problem,
When I use Star Office it explodes into five 150 MB processes
and the machine becomes unusable. (Is 2.2.x's scheduler any
smarter than 2.0's was? If ever a unix needed Hog Factor to work,
Star Office is the test case.) I eventually removed that
piece of crap from the system and replaced it with Applix.
Cameron
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HDD > 8GB
Date: 22 Mar 1999 06:54:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Norvell Spearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I saw in an earlier posting about how to get around the 8 GB limit when
>installing Linux: creating a 2-3 MB /boot partition. Does it matter where on
>the HDD the /boot part. is located (besides lilo's requirements). And what
>exactly is required after creating this partition? Just re-start the install?
When I get the answer to this question, AND a new users' introduction
to SGML-tools, I'll revise LILO mini-HOWTO.
If another few months go by and SGML-tools remains undocumented,
I'll bag it and just do a LILO Web page. LILO is too good to
go undocumented for new installations, when its User Guide is
unavailable.
Cameron
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mark Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: gtk+ wont install because of glib
Date: 22 Mar 1999 06:32:04 GMT
Hi,
I installed glib 1.2.0 successfully, but now gtk+ won't install. When I run
configure, the error is:
checking for glib-config... /usr/bin/glib-config
checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0... no
*** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for
the
*** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB was incorrectly
installed
*** or that you have moved GLIB since it was installed. In the latter case,
you
*** may want to edit the glib-config script: /usr/bin/glib-config
I can see that glib-config is there, because a glib-config usage text
appears when it tries to find glib-config. I looked at the config.log, but
I don't know what it means. Here it is:
configure:4608: checking for glib-config
configure:4643: checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0
configure:4742: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -Wall conftest.c 1>&5
In file included from configure:4668:
/usr/local/include/glib.h:66: glibconfig.h: No such file or directory
configure: failed program was:
#line 4666 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
#include <glib.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
Anybody know why I can't install gtk+?
Thanks
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From: Mark Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: gtk+ wont install because of glib
Date: 22 Mar 1999 06:32:08 GMT
Hi,
I installed glib 1.2.0 successfully, but now gtk+ won't install. When I run
configure, the error is:
checking for glib-config... /usr/bin/glib-config
checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0... no
*** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for
the
*** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB was incorrectly
installed
*** or that you have moved GLIB since it was installed. In the latter case,
you
*** may want to edit the glib-config script: /usr/bin/glib-config
I can see that glib-config is there, because a glib-config usage text
appears when it tries to find glib-config. I looked at the config.log, but
I don't know what it means. Here it is:
configure:4608: checking for glib-config
configure:4643: checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0
configure:4742: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -Wall conftest.c 1>&5
In file included from configure:4668:
/usr/local/include/glib.h:66: glibconfig.h: No such file or directory
configure: failed program was:
#line 4666 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
#include <glib.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
Anybody know why I can't install gtk+?
Thanks
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From: "Jeffrey Bolden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IE 5.0 on Unix Solaris -- What does this mean?
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:44:51 -0800
Benjamin Sher wrote in message <01be7382$d4a0c000$cde94dd8@sher07>...
>Dear friends:
>
>I will be installing Red Hat Linux 5.2 on Monday and have been doing my
>preliminary reading and research as best I can. I just ran across a
>puzzling item:
>
>I typed in the word "Unix" on the Microsoft site to see what would come up.
>I came up with the announcement that Microsoft has issued Internet Explorer
>4 and 5 for Unix Solaris and Unix HP.
>
>Since Linux, as I understand it, is 95 percent Unix, would it not be
>possible to, theoretically at least, port it to Linux? Would the reason for
>not doing so be a) Microsoft's proprietary code, b) the desire not to
>pollute Linux with a Microsoft application, even one specifically designed
>for a flavor of Unix or c) because of the inherent weaknesses or problems
>or other unacceptable features of IE's architecture, design or
>implementation? or d) obviously, all of the above?
IE 5.0 for Unix is a stripped down version of the browser without all the
other connectivity; its essentially another much lesser product. To really
port IE to Linux (or any unix) would require rebuilding the windows API on
the UNIX (a massive task). If there were customer demand for IE 5 for Linux
Microsoft would probably release it, there isn't and so...
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Staroffice New Documents?
Date: 22 Mar 1999 07:10:29 GMT
In article <#MXRSe#c#[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I just got staroffice installed. Soffice runs o.k, but I seem to be missing
>something. When I select File, New.. there are no options for document
>spreadsheet presentation or database,,,,,,,,,,Is the installation incorrect
>or do I have to enable something
I had the same problem. Star Office's user interface makes no sense at
all. I tried the Help and it exploded into five 150 MB processes
that took two hours to kill. It's obvious that no usability testing
has ever been performed on this product, and I doubt anyone uses the
gratis version. Perhaps the expensive commercial version has a different
user interface or something.
I made the mistake of letting it try to be my email program.
This prevented any other email program from working. How the hell did
they manage that?
Remove Star Office from your computer and get Applix or Word Perfect.
Both of them work.
Cameron
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From: Andy DeMond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Q: Slackware FTP install?
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 03:28:40 +0000
I was wondering if there is any way to do a direct, FTP install of
Slackware 3.6. I have something in mind like the RedHat bootdisk-to-FTP
deal. The thought of downloading a zillion floppies is not so hot.
Thanks.
Andy
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From: Marc Hering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: IE5 under Linux
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:22:07 GMT
Spyder wrote:
>
> WARGY wrote:
> >
> > M$ IE5 is out and it can run on Solaris Unix. Can that Solaris package
> > be installed in Linux? (especially Slackware 3.6 distro)
> >
> > WARGY
>
> Exactly why would you want to do such a hanous thing?
>
> --
> "Micro$oft is merely the greatest marketing firm ever to exist.
> They have to be, they market Windoze."
> ______________________________________________________________
> | | |
> | David P. Michaud | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
> | Keywire Technologies, Inc. | http://members.xoom.com/keywire |
> |____________________________|_________________________________|
Plus, even if there were eventually a port to the i386 linux arch, I
wouldn't put it past ol uncle bill to put something in there that
scrwews your system up ;) oh wait a min,,IE does that on it's
own,,,never mind :)+
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From: Ian Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape "from" weird
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:02:50 GMT
This is because Netscape (for some odd reason) decided that the sender:
header would trump the From: header. You can fix it by adding the line:
user_pref("mail.suppress_sender_header", true);
to ~/.netscape/preferences.js - Make sure that Netscape is not running
while you do this.
I.
Martin Soderstrom wrote:
>
> I recently installed Netscape 4.08 in hopes of centralizing my
> browser/mail/news under Linux. Everything is working pretty good, but
> for some reason my "From:" id is not what I entered in the Identity
> preference.
>
> I entered the usual [EMAIL PROTECTED], but when I post, my address is
> being listed as Martin Soderstrom <"name"@domain.comIncoming mail
> sepoprver:>
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Ian R. Hay <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Toronto, Canada <http://www3.sympatico.ca/ian.hay/>
Linuxing about since June 21, 1998 <Redhat 5.1 - 2.0.35>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Crew)
Subject: SuSE6 & Kernel 2.2.3
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:46:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can anyone help with the following errors I get when running bzImage
to compile the kernel.
gzipped file expanded from /usr/src into /usr/src/linux per readme
(where linux is shown as linux->linux-2.0.36.SuSE Folder (Link)
>From the output of bzImage
after the gcc command at the end of the makefile.
checksum.c.200: redefinition of 'csum_partial_copy'
checksum.c.105: 'csum_partial_copy' previously defined here.
{standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:188: Fatal error: symbol csum_partial_copy already
defined.
make[2]: ***[checksum.o] Error1
make[2]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-2.0.36.SuSE/arch/i386/lib'
make[1]: ***[first_rule] Error 2
make[1] Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-2.0.36.SuSE/arch/i386/lib'
make *** [_dir_arch/i386/lib] Error2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frederic A. Martinelli)
Subject: Re: Alternative web searcher ?
Date: 21 Mar 1999 12:36:19 +0100
Thanks, that's what i was after !
Fred.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Xlib: extension "MIT-SHM" = ?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Josh Stern)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:34:38 GMT
>Xlib: extension "MIT-SHM" missing on display "123.56.78.7:0.0".
>Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>
>I am running eXceed v6.1 for WinNT (Workstation SP4). What does this error
>mean for the UNIX machine? My kernel is 2.2.3 btw...
It sounds like you are running a buggy X program that assumes the X Server
it is talking to will operate using the MIT Shared memory extensions with
it and it dies when this doesn't work. Note that even if the X Server
implements MIT shared memory extensions, they can't be used (for obvious
reasons) if the client and the display are on two different machines.
A well written program will normally check whether the extension is there
and the X Server is on the same machine, and will use a different
display strategy where one of these conditions fails.
- Josh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Michael Jones)
Subject: Re: X session via telnet?
Date: 22 Mar 1999 08:03:09 GMT
Check out, I don't know if it works, but it looks good,
and it's free
"http://www.microimages.com/freestuf/mix/"
Walter Strong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi,
> Is it possible to deliver an X session to a windows box? I'm trying to
> set up linux as a server for two different windows (win98) machines
> with telnet being the only way to get into the linux box. Now,
> console is fine by me, but the guy I'm setting it up for wants,
> no..NEEDS...a gui interface. Is there any way this can be
> achieved, given the setup. I hope this isn't too vague (assume
> all the X11 resources are set up in a standard, working format
> using slak3.5, and that xhost is happy).
> Thanks for any advice/pointers towards FAQs/URLs.
> walter
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My Web Page - "http://www.cs.uoregon.edu/~cjones/web/"
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From: Marc Hering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Kernel Panic! (heLP! please URGENT!)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:00:56 GMT
Frank Riha wrote:
>
> "Zoran Davidovac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> <snip>
> >
> > but what newbies dont know
> >
> > cd /usr/src/linux
> > make menuconfig (configure it)
> > make dep
> > make clean
> > make bzImage
> >
> > wait a while
> >
> > copy bzImage to /vmlinuz
> >
> > and type
> >
> > lilo !
> >
> > if you don't type lilo you get KERNAL PANIC :)
> >
> > Zoran
>
> ..also run
>
> make modules
> make modules_install
>
> I think 'make install' might copy the image and run lilo for you,
> also.
>
> frank
actually I think the command is make zlilo to do that *grin*
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