Linux-Misc Digest #691, Volume #19 Thu, 1 Apr 99 21:13:11 EST
Contents:
Linux Counter: 93688 registered Linux users ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Newbie: Can't uninstall Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ATI RAGE FURY on RedHat 5.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Problem: Redhat 5.2 Upgrade (garv)
Removing programs ("Jing Duan")
Re: Database and Wordprocessing apps for console mode? (Michael Powe)
Re: GPL vs BSD license agreement (source code reuse) (Michael Powe)
Re: at command output redirection? (Christopher Browne)
Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion? (Christopher Browne)
Re: help with compiling .c files (Paul Kimoto)
Re: FS: LinuxRules.com (Jeremy Crabtree)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux Counter: 93688 registered Linux users
Date: 31 Mar 1999 23:00:06 GMT
This is the monthly report from the Linux Usage Counter.
It is posted on the 1st of every month on the newsgroup
comp.os.linux.misc
Registration and information is available via the World
Wide Web; connect to URL http://counter.li.org/
This is the preferred interface to the counter.
NOTE: You can UPDATE your record in the counter if you have
your registration key, which was sent to you when you registered.
EMAIL:
To enter your registration into the statistics, send an E-mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], with the SUBJECT line being one of
I use Linux at home
I use Linux at work
I use Linux at school
The reply will contain information about how to register more
information about yourself, your machine and your friends, if you
want to.
If you can't do Web, you can get the reports by sending the counter
an E-mail containing in the BODY one of the lines
//REPORT short
//REPORT persons
//REPORT machines
//HELP
Any questions should be adressed to the maintainer of the counter,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good luck!
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This is the Linux Counter summary as of Wed Mar 31 17:20:30 1999
There are 93688 persons registerd.
2924 users have been registered by friends.
There are 51558 machines registered.
I guesstimate that between 0.2% and 5% of all Linux users have
registered with the Linux Counter.
So the total number of Linux users is probably between
1,873,760 and 46,844,000 people.
WHERE LINUX USERS LIVE
The table is sorted by number of Linux users divided by population
No Country Pers Fri Mach P/Mpop Mpop
======================================================================
1 NO Norway 2269 48 949 517.6 4.4
2 FI Finland 2535 56 1231 496.5 5.1
3 AQ Antarctica 2 0 0 486.0 0.0
4 IS Iceland 104 3 57 384.8 0.3
5 DK Denmark 1924 16 705 366.5 5.2
6 SE Sweden 3120 58 1459 350.5 8.9
7 SI Slovenia 460 8 117 235.7 2.0
8 EE Estonia 286 16 195 196.0 1.5
9 NL Netherlands 2661 49 1213 170.9 15.6
10 CA Canada 4160 83 1969 144.3 28.8
11 AT Austria 1132 30 578 141.1 8.0
12 AU Australia 2389 47 1257 130.8 18.3
13 US USA 32475 793 15310 121.9 266.5
14 NZ New Zealand 411 3 267 115.8 3.5
15 CH Switzerland 805 15 418 111.7 7.2
16 GI Gibraltar 3 0 6 104.3 0.0
17 LU Luxembourg 42 0 9 101.0 0.4
18 BE Belgium 1005 525 483 98.8 10.2
19 TV Tuvalu 1 0 0 98.6 0.0
20 HU Hungary 958 38 557 95.8 10.0
21 DE Germany 7724 183 3762 92.5 83.5
22 FO Faroe Islands 4 0 2 91.2 0.0
23 IE Ireland 312 5 158 87.5 3.6
24 GL Greenland 5 0 1 85.9 0.1
25 MS Montserrat 1 0 0 78.3 0.0
26 GB Great Britain 4166 107 2032 71.2 58.5
27 IL Israel 383 14 166 70.6 5.4
28 FR France 3949 112 1369 67.7 58.3
29 SG Singapore 230 7 95 67.7 3.4
30 MC Monaco 2 1 2 63.1 0.0
31 ES Spain 2425 32 625 61.9 39.2
32 PT Portugal 563 10 216 57.1 9.9
33 AD Andorra 4 0 0 55.0 0.1
34 HR Croatia 231 6 59 46.2 5.0
35 KR Korea (South) 1848 16 267 40.6 45.5
36 GR Greece 416 15 161 39.5 10.5
37 GU Guam 6 0 0 38.2 0.2
38 CZ Czech Republic 373 16 221 36.1 10.3
39 LT Lithuania 129 2 69 35.4 3.6
40 MT Malta 13 0 6 34.6 0.4
41 IT Italy 1907 64 728 33.2 57.5
42 BM Bermuda 2 0 4 32.2 0.1
43 LI Liechtenstein 1 0 2 32.1 0.0
44 UY Uruguay 97 0 21 29.9 3.2
45 CY Cyprus 22 0 3 29.5 0.7
46 KY Cayman Islands 1 0 2 28.9 0.0
47 PL Poland 1069 55 681 27.7 38.6
48 BB Barbados 7 0 2 27.2 0.3
49 CR Costa Rica 79 0 34 22.8 3.5
50 BZ Belize 5 0 5 22.8 0.2
51 MV Maldives 6 0 1 22.2 0.3
52 SK Slovakia 108 1 79 20.1 5.4
53 MP Northern Mariana Islands 1 0 1 19.1 0.1
54 TW Taiwan 386 4 150 18.0 21.5
55 BG Bulgaria 148 6 64 17.2 8.6
56 MH Marshall Islands 1 0 0 17.1 0.1
57 BR Brazil 2774 51 648 17.1 162.7
58 RO Romania 356 35 189 16.4 21.7
59 LV Latvia 36 0 28 14.6 2.5
60 ZA South Africa 586 11 261 14.0 41.7
61 MY Malaysia 271 7 68 13.6 20.0
62 BN Brunei 4 0 3 13.3 0.3
63 CL Chile 177 6 74 12.3 14.3
64 AR Argentina 413 7 126 11.9 34.7
65 TT Trinidad and Tobago 15 0 3 11.8 1.3
66 NC New Caledonia 2 0 7 10.7 0.2
67 VI Virgin Islands (U.S.) 1 0 0 10.3 0.1
68 KW Kuwait 18 0 4 9.2 2.0
69 PF French Polynesia 2 0 2 8.9 0.2
70 BH Bahrain 5 0 3 8.5 0.6
71 MO Macau 4 0 0 8.1 0.5
72 PA Panama 21 0 10 7.9 2.7
73 NA Namibia 13 0 9 7.8 1.7
74 YU Yugoslavia (Serbia and Monte 83 6 53 7.7 10.8
75 BS Bahamas 2 0 0 7.7 0.3
76 MQ Martinique 3 0 1 7.5 0.4
77 RU Russia 1099 33 472 7.4 148.2
78 PR Puerto Rico 28 0 10 7.3 3.8
79 TN Tunisia 64 0 11 7.1 9.0
80 JP Japan 795 7 216 6.3 125.4
81 MK Macedonia 13 2 4 6.2 2.1
82 VU Vanuatu 1 0 3 5.6 0.2
83 QA Qatar 3 1 1 5.5 0.5
84 MU Mauritius 6 0 2 5.3 1.1
85 VE Venezuela 109 0 41 5.0 22.0
86 AN Netherlands Antilles 1 0 1 4.8 0.2
87 UA Ukraine 237 9 110 4.7 50.9
88 TR Turkey 290 4 101 4.6 62.5
89 SR Suriname 2 0 2 4.6 0.4
90 AE United Arab Emirates 14 1 6 4.6 3.1
91 BA Bosnia and Herzegovina 12 0 1 4.5 2.7
92 MX Mexico 421 16 183 4.4 95.8
93 PY Paraguay 24 0 6 4.4 5.5
94 CO Colombia 146 2 52 4.0 36.8
95 AM Armenia 13 0 5 3.8 3.5
96 BY Belarus 36 4 16 3.5 10.4
97 JM Jamaica 8 0 2 3.1 2.6
98 RE Reunion 2 0 0 2.9 0.7
99 TH Thailand 151 3 55 2.6 58.9
100 MD Moldova 11 0 4 2.5 4.5
101 CU Cuba 26 5 17 2.4 11.0
102 BO Bolivia 16 0 2 2.2 7.2
103 BW Botswana 3 0 2 2.0 1.5
104 LB Lebanon 7 1 4 1.9 3.8
105 OM Oman 4 0 0 1.8 2.2
106 GA Gabon 2 0 2 1.7 1.2
107 PE Peru 41 0 13 1.7 24.5
108 EC Ecuador 19 0 4 1.7 11.5
109 HN Honduras 9 0 4 1.6 5.6
110 PH Philippines 113 4 30 1.5 74.5
111 GY Guyana 1 0 0 1.4 0.7
112 SV El Salvador 8 0 11 1.4 5.8
113 MN Mongolia 3 0 3 1.2 2.5
114 DO Dominican Republic 9 0 3 1.1 8.1
115 GT Guatemala 11 0 2 1.0 11.3
116 KZ Kazakhstan 15 0 7 0.9 16.9
117 ZW Zimbabwe 9 0 5 0.8 11.3
118 HK Hong Kong 5 0 0 0.8 6.3
119 LK Sri Lanka 13 1 2 0.7 18.6
120 PG Papua New Guinea 3 0 1 0.7 4.4
121 ID Indonesia 140 34 54 0.7 206.6
122 ZM Zambia 6 0 4 0.7 9.2
123 AL Albania 2 2 3 0.6 3.2
124 EG Egypt 39 1 5 0.6 63.6
125 UZ Uzbekistan 14 0 4 0.6 23.4
126 CN China 692 3 144 0.6 1210.0
127 SA Saudi Arabia 11 0 7 0.6 19.4
128 JO Jordan 2 0 1 0.5 4.2
129 IN India 448 16 155 0.5 952.1
130 MA Morocco 14 0 8 0.5 29.8
131 MR Mauritania 1 0 0 0.4 2.3
132 AZ Azerbaijan 3 0 2 0.4 7.7
133 GE Georgia 2 0 18 0.4 5.2
134 CI Cote d'Ivoire 5 0 1 0.3 14.8
135 CF Central African Republic 1 0 0 0.3 3.3
136 MZ Mozambique 5 0 2 0.3 17.9
137 PK Pakistan 34 5 7 0.3 129.3
138 KE Kenya 7 0 2 0.2 28.2
139 NI Nicaragua 1 0 0 0.2 4.3
140 VN Vietnam 17 0 2 0.2 74.0
141 KG Kyrgyzstan 1 0 0 0.2 4.5
142 SN Senegal 2 0 0 0.2 9.1
143 MG Madagascar 3 0 1 0.2 13.7
144 TG Togo 1 0 0 0.2 4.6
145 KH Cambodia 2 0 1 0.2 10.9
146 NP Nepal 4 0 0 0.2 22.1
147 RW Rwanda 1 0 0 0.1 6.9
148 CM Cameroon 2 0 2 0.1 14.3
149 NE Niger 1 0 0 0.1 9.1
150 TZ Tanzania 3 0 0 0.1 29.1
151 IR Iran 6 0 8 0.1 66.1
152 ET Ethiopia 3 0 0 0.1 57.2
153 UG Uganda 1 0 0 0.0 20.2
154 XW The World (Somewhere in it) 248 29 1 0.0 5771.9
155 BD Bangladesh 5 0 4 0.0 123.1
156 DZ Algeria 1 0 0 0.0 29.2
157 NG Nigeria 2 0 1 0.0 103.9
WHERE PEOPLE USE LINUX
Place Users Percent
==============================
school 16207 17.52%
home 81503 88.09%
not used 17 0.02%
work 35351 38.21%
somewhere 2845 3.07%
==============================
TOTAL 92522 100.00%
NOTE: The total is the 92522 users who answered this question.
Some gave more than one answer, so the number of answers is 135923
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion?
Date: 2 Apr 1999 01:27:40 GMT
r wrote:
> On 1 Apr 1999 11:16:08 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >I'm quite surprised that VMWARE (www.vmware.com) isn't
> >being discussed much. I've been waiting years for just
> >such a thing. I can now run windows98 under linux, and
> >run quicken, office97, solitaire :-), or anything else
> >I want (except directx games...yet), without rebooting.
> >
> >Vmware simply rocks.
> Maybe because it requires a faster processor and more RAM than most
> of us have or need under Linux, or because of the price, or because
> there's nothing we can do under Windows that we can't do better on
> Linux.
Well, as someone who absolutely loathes working in Windoze but is sometimes
forced to (Word email attachments, journals which demand word files, a
slide printing service that only accepts powerpoint, god I hate this shit),
I have to say that I absolutely love vmware. I can go back and forth at
will and without losing working time. Working while windows is booting --
now there's a novel concept. So for those of us who work better in
one environment but are forced to do some stuff under MS, it is a godsend.
Now, since my box in the lab is a dual PII-450 w/ 512 MB of RAM, I can't
exactly speak to the min. req's for running vmware (I know, poor me ;).
But I can say that running a quick little 1000 term series sum in
mathematica takes 250 seconds on my box in Linux and ~280 in mathematica
under NT in vmware. Not too shabby. Of course that is only CPU and
has nothing to do with I/O or graphics (noticeably slow w/ my non DGA
enhanced 3DLabs Xserver (soon to be remedied by vmware, I might add)).
All in all, I must say that I am incredibly happy with this product.
Just my $.02.
--
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Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Newbie: Can't uninstall Linux
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:20:23 GMT
I installed Red Hat Linux and now need to install DOS on that machine. I have
reformatted the disk, but each time the machine boots, Linux comes up. I have
even deleted all of the partitions, and unless the DOS floppy is in the
machine, Linux boots.
HELP!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ATI RAGE FURY on RedHat 5.2
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:24:45 GMT
Have not seen the drivers for linux yet. You should be able to get them at
www.xfree86.org whenever they come out. Of course the console looks fine ;)
Eric
In article <7dm9qp$7a1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"RJA" <ayadi@~earthlink~.net> wrote:
> Anyone gotten the RAGE Fury to work on RedHat 5.2? If so can you please
> provide directions. Thanks.
>
>
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From: garv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problem: Redhat 5.2 Upgrade
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:37:26 -0800
George Lampke wrote:
> I just upgraded 5.2 Redhat from ftp://updates.redhat.com/5.2/i386 and
> had no problems with the upgrade. But upon rebooting I find that Linux
Did the upgrade overwrite changes you had made in /etc/fstab?
I edited my fstab to read vfat.
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From: "Jing Duan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Removing programs
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 00:19:51 GMT
Hi,
I am new to Linux and like to try different programs. But, after I install
them, how can I safely remove them? I don't want anything left behind.
I am using Slackware 3.6. I know there is a pkgtool for binary packages.
But for some software, I compile them and use "make install" to install.
Your have will be most appreciated.
Jing
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Database and Wordprocessing apps for console mode?
Date: 31 Mar 1999 14:58:07 -0800
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>>>>> "Martin" == Martin R Soderstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Martin> Just wondering, is PostgreSQL overkill for a single user
Martin> to keep track of addresses and a few other small databases
Martin> (i.e. nothing more than about 300 records...at least, not
Martin> yet). Keep in mind I want to stay in CONSOLE MODE.
Can't speak to PostgreSQL, except to say that I think it needs an
X-based front end. For simple dbases like an address book, you might
consider a shell or awk script. S.R. Bourne's <The Unix System> uses
an address book as an example of how to write a shell script. In
emacs, bbdb (Big Brother DataBase) does a reasonable job of keeping
track of email addresses & it does allow you to use it for
phone/street addy & comments; but I find it cumbersome to use. Its
main value is that it automatically sucks email addresses, so I don't
have to worry about manually adding them to the book.
Martin> Also, I asked this once before and was shocked at the
Martin> answer, so I'm going to ask it again:
Martin> Are there no wordprocessing packages for console mode
Martin> Linux? (something like Wordstar or WordPerfect for DOS).
How much `word processing' are you planning to do? If what you're
looking for is something to just write occasional letters and simple
documents, I'd suggest using emacs (or some lesser editor) and doing
basic typesetting. For example, I wrote a simple sed script that adds
TeX formatting to a document to turn it into a letter. Then TeX'ing
it & printing it takes maybe one minute.
For more complex tasks, and unless you're willing to learn typesetting
(I think it's worth it, myself; but YMMV), you probably are looking at
an X-based solution. WordPerfect, of course, is then an option.
Dougherty & O'Reilly, <Unix Text Processing> and Normal Walsh, <Making
TeX Work> are good texts for learning typesetting.
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD license agreement (source code reuse)
Date: 31 Mar 1999 14:05:38 -0800
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>>>>> "jik" == jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> It seems to boil down to the fact that you only rate value in
>> terms of money and you only see money as the motivation for
>> production. This is probably more in line with BSDers, who
>> trumpet the value of their license as protecting the rights of
>> users to hijack code, make proprietary changes to it and refuse
>> to share those changes with others. As a practical matter,
>> there's no difference between BSD code and Public Domain code.
>> Sure, you have to SAY `copyright by whoever' but the fact is,
>> you can USE it as though you wrote it.
>>
>> This is alright with you. It's not alright with me.
jik> This seems to be the only thing which anti-BSDL people can
jik> say "They only want you to BSDL your code so they can steal
jik> it"...which simply is not true at all. Simply put, the GPL
jik> puts too many restrictions on the use of the code...in other
jik> words requiring you to use the GPL, and the GPL only to
jik> licence your program if it uses anything GPL...certainly not
jik> my idea of freedom.
Of course it's true and has been repeated ad nauseam by BSDers. Why
deny it? When I asked Jordan Hubbard about it he <said> as much --
the gist of which was, `I want my programs to be used by as many
people as possible and I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY DO WITH THEM.' Emphasis
added.
This is the merry-go-round that never stops. BSD is about protecting
the ability of future developers to privatize code. GPL is about
protecting the ability of future developers to have access to the
code. You <talk> about freedom, and then endorse the notion that
developers ought to be `free' to make `free' code non-free.
Philsophically, BSDers are married to the closed-source,
copyright/patent paradigm. GPLers reject that paradigm. The whole
purpose of the BSDL is to allow free code to be absorbed into
`protected,' closed-source works. The whole purpose of the GPL is to
prevent free code from being absorbed into closed-source works (with
the single exception that the original author of the work may do so,
by withdrawing it from the GPL). BSDers defend proprietary software.
GPLers reject proprietary software.
Going on and on about it isn't going to change matters. If you want
to allow some company to take your code, alter it in some way and make
it into their proprietary, closed-source product, use BSDL. If you
want all future development of your code to be available to all users,
use GPL. It's a simple enough choice.
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: at command output redirection?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 01:43:26 GMT
On 31 Mar 1999 20:54:55 GMT, Richard Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Has anyone had any luck with redirecting the output of the 'at'
>command to a file? I need to be able to work with the output without
>it going through email. The man page says that it can be redirected
>elsewhere, but I have had no luck doing so.
The command that you run needs to be set up to direct output to a file,
and that needs to be true for both standard output and error output.
You might try something like the following:
% at 20:00
at> mycommand > /tmp/output 2>1
at> ^D
"> /tmp/output" indicates that the standard output should be directed
to the file /tmp/output.
"2>1" indicates that error output (file descriptor #2) should be
directed to the same place as standard output. (Which happens to be
/tmp/output.)
--
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development." (By [EMAIL PROTECTED])
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/canada.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 01:43:36 GMT
On 1 Apr 1999 11:16:08 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm quite surprised that VMWARE (www.vmware.com) isn't
>being discussed much. I've been waiting years for just
>such a thing. I can now run windows98 under linux, and
>run quicken, office97, solitaire :-), or anything else
>I want (except directx games...yet), without rebooting.
It's not of great interest because:
a) Many of us don't care to run those applications,
b) The point isn't merely that of having software that appears to
function; Linux is all about *free* software, and VMWARE hasn't provided
any magical way of making either VMWARE, Office97, or Quicken into
nonproprietary software.
Money's not the point here; it's freedom.
VMWARE is providing some proprietary software as a substrate to allow us
to run further proprietary software atop some free software. If two
levels of proprietariness are to be considered OK, then I see no problem
with extending that to a third and running the software atop Windows 95
or Windows 98 or NT or whatever.
--
"What you end up with, after running an operating system concept
through these many marketing coffee filters, is something not unlike
plain hot water." -- Matt Welsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/msprobs.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: help with compiling .c files
Date: 1 Apr 1999 20:43:26 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7du4v3$9fo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mitchell Scott wrote:
> SuSE 6.0 tells me when I use the command "cc" or "gcc" to compile a .c file
> that the the command is not recognised? the same applies to "a.out" how do I
> invoke these commands ?
If "cc" and "gcc" don't work, then you need to install the compiler (and
probably other supporting packages).
If you make an executable "a.out", you may have to invoke it as
% ./a.out
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux
Subject: Re: FS: LinuxRules.com
Date: 2 Apr 1999 01:45:57 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve Conover allegedly wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[SNIP]
>>This brings up a good question...isn't this extortion?
>>[SNIP]
>
>No it's not extortion. Extortion is what happens when someone coreces money
>out of you, e.g. blackmail.
Perhaps I should clarify.
For example, www.Quake.com is NOT owned by ID software, but rather
a person, or persons, who specifically registered it with the intent
of making ID pay GOBs of $$$ more than the initial $70 for it.
So, is THAT extortion?
--
"Being myself a remarkably stupid fellow, I have had to unteach myself
the difficulties, and now beg to present to my fellow fools the parts
that are not hard" --Silvanus P. Thompson, from "Calculus Made Easy."
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